Which text from the Christian Bible uniquely proves that Jesus is Almighty God?

[walt]

OP is:

Which text from the Christian Bible uniquely proves that Jesus is Almighty God?​

Did Jesus or any Apostle talk about this subject in the Bible? No!
Did they explain it is something essential to having everlasting life? No!
Understanding what Jewish people believed at the time of Jesus life on earth, wouldn't you think this conversation would have came up?
Since Jesus and the Apostle's didn't bother talking about this subject, why are we?

Jesus had this to say to his Father in prayer:

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. -John 17:3 Berean literal Bible

Jesus starts with "this is eternal life" This sounds essential. Does it sound essential to you?
The words speak for themselves, How can this be interpreted a different way?

What is your interpretation of these words at John 17:3?

 

[walt]

Now this is eternal life,

that they may know You, the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.


First line: Now this is eternal life, for what he's about to say next...
Second line: that they may know You, the only true God, [ Who is Jesus talking to? His Father John 17:1 ]
Third line: and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. Know the Father the only true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. [ this is eternal life ].

If I understand the English language correctly, Jesus is saying: This is eternal life, to know the Father the only true God and Jesus Christ who the Father has sent.

 

[walt]

Then the disciples came up and said to him, "Why do you speak in parables?" 11 He replied, "Because it is granted you to understand the open secrets of the Realm of heaven, but it is not granted to these people. -Matthew 13:10-11 Moffatt

Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; -Matthew 13:13-14 New King James Version

and He would not speak to them without parables; but privately He would explain all things to His own disciples. -Mark 4:34 Berean Literal Bible

And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, -Mark 4:11 New King James Version

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When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. -Matthew 16:13-17 NIV

This is a private conversation between Jesus and His disciples. [ Not a Parable ] Why did Jesus not correct them and explain he is the Almighty?


What is essential to you, Jesus words or an explanation he never gave? John 3:16, John 17:3, Matthew 16:13-17, John 20:17, John 17:5

 

[YoursTrue]

Now this is eternal life,

that they may know You, the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.


First line: Now this is eternal life, for what he's about to say next...
Second line: that they may know You, the only true God, [ Who is Jesus talking to? His Father John 17:1 ]
Third line: and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. Know the Father the only true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. [ this is eternal life ].

If I understand the English language correctly, Jesus is saying: This is eternal life, to know the Father the only true God and Jesus Christ who the Father has sent.

It does not say that Jesus said "this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and me, another or same only true God, and the holy spirit, another only true God, and all of us are equal to the others and yet we're one God." No, it does not say that.

 

[JerryMyers]

You are totally wrong about my mind being closed. It's just the opposite. I, unlike yourself, am OPEN to being taught by God.

If you understood what God spoke through the Apostle John, you wouldn't make such false statements. John 17:2-5 contains these truths...

God gave Jesus, as man, authority over all humanity so that He (Jesus) could give eternal life to those God had given Him. ONLY GOD CAN GIVE ETERNAL LIFE. No human being can do that.

There are many people who preach and teach today, and have done so throughout history, but NONE of them could give eternal life. ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.

P.S. I am not "mentally challenge" [sic]. I am extremely intelligent (in the 99th percentile), very literate, have extensive knowledge of the Bible, and am a "born-again" Christian who knows the triune God and who is known by the triune God.

Therefore, your nonsense and personal insults make no sense and have no effect (except to reveal who you really are).

You wrote -
“You are totally wrong about my mind being closed. It's just the opposite. I, unlike yourself, am OPEN to being taught by God.”.

Being ‘OPEN’ would mean you are willing to hear opposing explanations of your belief. If you disagree, then you would provide logic and rational rebuttal as to why you disagreed. You, my friend, have done nothing of that, so, you are only ‘OPEN’ to postings that you believe support your understanding – that, my friend, is NOT ‘being OPEN’, THAT is ‘being CLOSED’.

So, stop making a mockery of yourself by labeling others who disagree with you as being ‘CLOSED’ and only you are ‘OPEN’ when the opposite is true.

You wrote -
“If you understood what God spoke through the Apostle John, you wouldn't make such false statements. John 17:2-5 contains these truths...”.

Just because you cannot rebut my explanation on John 17:2-5, that does not makes my statements false.

You wrote -
“God gave Jesus, as man, authority over all humanity so that He (Jesus) could give eternal life to those God had given Him. ONLY GOD CAN GIVE ETERNAL LIFE. No human being can do that.

There are many people who preach and teach today, and have done so throughout history, but NONE of them could give eternal life. ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.”.

Hmmm, you overlook one important factor – GOD DOES NOT NEED ANYONE TO GIVE HIM AUTHORITY TO GIVE ETERNAL LIFE, JESUS DOES (need to receive Authority)! So, anyone who’s rational can figure out that Jesus is NOT God!

You write -
“P.S. I am not "mentally challenge" [sic]. I am extremely intelligent (in the 99th percentile), very literate, have extensive knowledge of the Bible, and am a "born-again" Christian who knows the triune God and who is known by the triune God.”.

You seem to be self-exalting yourself, which speaks a lot about you, and which, is against what Jesus preaches - "For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” – Luke 14:11.
So much of being a ‘born again’ Christian.

 

[JerryMyers]

I know that you wrote this to @jimb, but I feel that I should reply to you about what you have written above.

First, calling @jimb ‘mentally-challenge’ because you do not understand his belief about Jesus is extremely low of you. Also, calling somebody ‘mentally-challenge’ or ‘mentally challenged’ is not only an insult to that person but also to individuals who really do have learning disabilities. Having a learning disability is not very easy for children who have them nor it is very easy for their parents.

Second, jimb, to the best of my knowledge, has not written anything stating that Jesus sent himself. (Never have I heard any other Trinitarian for that matter say that Jesus sent himself. It is always something like ‘His Father sent him.’) On the other hand, I have observed here and elsewhere that many non-Trinitarians who demonstrate that they don’t actually understand Trinitarianism like to say weird things such as, ‘You (Trinitarians) make Jesus into God the Father.’ It is actually Modalists who believe that Jesus was not only the Son but also the Father and the Spirit. Modalism, by the way, was formally condemned as heresy by Trinitarian bishops very long ago.

You wrote -
“First, calling @jimb ‘mentally-challenge’ because you do not understand his belief about Jesus is extremely low of you. Also, calling somebody ‘mentally-challenge’ or ‘mentally challenged’ is not only an insult to that person but also to individuals who really do have learning disabilities. Having a learning disability is not very easy for children who have them nor it is very easy for their parents.”.

What makes you think I don’t understand @jimb belief? He believes Jesus is God and he made that very clear in his postings.

Before you label me as ‘extremely low’, the least you can do is to ask me first to clarify what do I mean by the term ‘mentally-challenge’. In the context of my comment, it has nothing to do with children with learning disability. I would never belittle children with learning disability as I too have relatives with kids having learning disability.

Fact is, I asked @jimb “Surely you cannot be that ‘mentally-challenge’ to think Jesus was asking the people to hear his words and believe that he sent himself, do you??!!!

I DID NOT say “Surely you cannot be like those ‘mentally-challenge’, to think…”. If I have wrote so in such a manner, then, you have a case to label me as ‘extremely low’, so, please, don’t simply assume.

So, why did I use the term ‘mentally-challenge’?

Simple. To think Jesus is sending himself because @jimb believes Jesus is God would be absurd absolutely because there are on number of occasions where Jesus said ‘My Father sent me…’. So, @jimb seems to be ‘mentally-challenge’ when it comes to accepting the fact that Jesus is not God as the sender and the one being sent cannot be the one and same person. Surely, the act of one sending another involves 2 individuals.



You wrote -
“Second, jimb, to the best of my knowledge, has not written anything stating that Jesus sent himself. (Never have I heard any other Trinitarian for that matter say that Jesus sent himself. It is always something like ‘His Father sent him.’) On the other hand, I have observed here and elsewhere that many non-Trinitarians who demonstrate that they don’t actually understand Trinitarianism like to say weird things such as, ‘You (Trinitarians) make Jesus into God the Father.’ It is actually Modalists who believe that Jesus was not only the Son but also the Father and the Spirit. Modalism, by the way, was formally condemned as heresy by Trinitarian bishops very long ago.”.

Let me ask you – when Jesus mentioned ‘My Father’ like ‘My Father sent me…’, who do you think he was referring to as ‘My Father’? I will be shocked if you do not say ‘God’.

So, for you to say ‘to the best of my knowledge, has not written anything stating that Jesus sent himself. (Never have I heard any other Trinitarian for that matter say that Jesus sent himself. It is always something like ‘His Father sent him’’ is shocking!
Sure, @jimb or any Trinitarian have not stated that Jesus sent himself, but rational and logical thinking will tell you if @jimb believes Jesus is God, then, when Jesus said “My Father (God) sent me..’, it’s only common sense to think Jesus is saying he (if one believes he’s God) is sending himself, even if @jimb has never state Jesus sent himself - he does not have to. It’s like if I said ‘My car is painted all black’, do I also need to say ‘My car is not white, not blue, not yellow…….’. I don’t have to, as I have made it clear that my car is all black!

Similarly, @jimb has made it clear (many times) that he believes Jesus is God, so, when Jesus said ‘My Father sent me…’, it’s naturally understood (and @jimb does not have to say it) that he would have believed Jesus has sent himself. For @jimb and you to oppose that would mean, you believe that when Jesus talked about ‘My Father…’, he’s NOT referring to God. Now, that’s new.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Trinitarians do not deny that the Father had authority over Jesus.



In post #111, I had explained that Eastern Trinitarian theology is a little different from Western Trinitarian theology. Western Trinitarian theology includes the view that the three persons are equals and that no person is ‘before’ or ‘after’ any other person, as taught in the so-called Athanasian Creed. On the other hand, Eastern Trinitarian theology affirms that among the three persons, the Father has the primacy. He has the primacy because he begat the Son and breathed out the Spirit. Therefore, in Eastern Trinitarianism, the three persons are not absolute equals. The Son and the Spirit have the same essence as the Father, but the Father is greater than them with respect to their relations to him. The Eastern theological view is the theological view that I have been arguing from. Please try to understand that Western Trinitarian theology is not the theology of all Trinitarian Christianity.



That would be the case with finite beings who recognize each other as equals.

So even within the doctrine itself, there’s division.
This is the West. (Well, most of us here.)
Are you from the Eastern Europe area?

But really, Jesus and the HS are described as lesser gods? Why would you want to worship “lesser gods”?

Anyway that’s not what Jehovah God in Exodus 20:2-6, the 1st of the Ten Commandments (quite important, eh?), commands us to do.

 

[jimb]

the father could only ''send'' Jesus if the father , had authority over him . it has been stated over and over again that the father ,son and holy spirit are equal in every way. what can equals do if even one of them wants something different ? it would be a stalemate. which means they also cannot do something/anything without getting the ok from the other two .

Clearly you do not understand the tripartite God, a.k.a the Trinity. It is not an easy concept to understand. You and others try to apply standard thinking to understand a very different concept, which clearly doesn't work.

Instead of trying to prove myself and others wrong, why not try to expand your thinking?

 

[jimb]

Where does scripture say, "ONLY GOD CAN GIVE ETERNAL LIFE"?

John 17:1 Jesus is praying to the Father - "the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you." This is said before Jesus' crucifixion and Jesus is asking his Father to glorify him.
In v. 2 scripture tells us that Jesus was given authority to give eternal life and then in v.3 Jesus claims that his Father is the ONLY TRUE God and that knowing this is eternal life.

Now as we read on, are we expected to believe that Jesus (the Messiah) once had glory, he gave up that glory and was given that glory back? Verse 5 is speaking of the exaltation and glory of the Messiah as predicted in the OT and is presented as Jesus having the "glory before the world existed". Jesus used the past tense because he knew that God had promised the glory he was to be given. In Biblical language predestined things are spoken of as already existing because they are "as good as done" in God's eyes. His glory was not literally given until his death, resurrection and exaltation to the right hand of Almighty God.

Also, further on in this chapter Jesus again uses the language of "giving glory" and "having glory" before literal existence.
John 17:20-22 "I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you Father are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one." Here Jesus is giving his glory, the glory that is going to be given to him upon his exaltation to God's right hand to all those who will believe in the future, but it is spoken of as already given.

Clearly you do not understand Jesus' status a) before He came to Earth as a human, b) while He was on earth as a human, and c) and when He was resurrected to His former status.

You and others would greatly benefit by reading the Bible and opening your mind to understanding what it says, instead of keeping your mind closed by trying to refute it.

 

[jimb]

Trinitarians do not deny that the Father had authority over Jesus.



In post #111, I had explained that Eastern Trinitarian theology is a little different from Western Trinitarian theology. Western Trinitarian theology includes the view that the three persons are equals and that no person is ‘before’ or ‘after’ any other person, as taught in the so-called Athanasian Creed. On the other hand, Eastern Trinitarian theology affirms that among the three persons, the Father has the primacy. He has the primacy because he begat the Son and breathed out the Spirit. Therefore, in Eastern Trinitarianism, the three persons are not absolute equals. The Son and the Spirit have the same essence as the Father, but the Father is greater than them with respect to their relations to him. The Eastern theological view is the theological view that I have been arguing from. Please try to understand that Western Trinitarian theology is not the theology of all Trinitarian Christianity.



That would be the case with finite beings who recognize each other as equals.

Great post! Thanks for this clear explanation, especially the section about the difference between Eastern and Western theology. It is greatly appreciated!

 

[jimb]

Then the disciples came up and said to him, "Why do you speak in parables?" 11 He replied, "Because it is granted you to understand the open secrets of the Realm of heaven, but it is not granted to these people. -Matthew 13:10-11 Moffatt

Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; -Matthew 13:13-14 New King James Version

and He would not speak to them without parables; but privately He would explain all things to His own disciples. -Mark 4:34 Berean Literal Bible

And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, -Mark 4:11 New King James Version

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When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. -Matthew 16:13-17 NIV

This is a private conversation between Jesus and His disciples. [ Not a Parable ] Why did Jesus not correct them and explain he is the Almighty?


What is essential to you, Jesus words or an explanation he never gave? John 3:16, John 17:3, Matthew 16:13-17, John 20:17, John 17:5

Jesus status changed over time.

 

[jimb]

It does not say that Jesus said "this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and me, another or same only true God, and the holy spirit, another only true God, and all of us are equal to the others and yet we're one God." No, it does not say that.

Those are your words, so you clearly lack understanding, then BOAST about it!

Be careful about mocking God's word (the Bible). If you don't understand it, that is not the Bible's fault, it's yours.

 

[amazing grace]

Clearly you do not understand Jesus' status a) before He came to Earth as a human, b) while He was on earth as a human, and c) and when He was resurrected to His former status.

I understand that Jesus was/is God's plan of redemption for mankind. I understand that Jesus was conceived and born as a human being just as all other human beings and he did not preexist his conception and birth. I understand that when Jesus was resurrected, he was exalted to the right hand of God.

You and others would greatly benefit by reading the Bible and opening your mind to understanding what it says, instead of keeping your mind closed by trying to refute it.

Thank you for your advice and I would likewise extend the same advice to you and others.

 

[jimb]

You wrote -
“You are totally wrong about my mind being closed. It's just the opposite. I, unlike yourself, am OPEN to being taught by God.”.

Being ‘OPEN’ would mean you are willing to hear opposing explanations of your belief. If you disagree, then you would provide logic and rational rebuttal as to why you disagreed. You, my friend, have done nothing of that, so, you are only ‘OPEN’ to postings that you believe support your understanding – that, my friend, is NOT ‘being OPEN’, THAT is ‘being CLOSED’.

So, stop making a mockery of yourself by labeling others who disagree with you as being ‘CLOSED’ and only you are ‘OPEN’ when the opposite is true.

You wrote -
“If you understood what God spoke through the Apostle John, you wouldn't make such false statements. John 17:2-5 contains these truths...”.

Just because you cannot rebut my explanation on John 17:2-5, that does not makes my statements false.

You wrote -
“God gave Jesus, as man, authority over all humanity so that He (Jesus) could give eternal life to those God had given Him. ONLY GOD CAN GIVE ETERNAL LIFE. No human being can do that.

There are many people who preach and teach today, and have done so throughout history, but NONE of them could give eternal life. ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.”.

Hmmm, you overlook one important factor – GOD DOES NOT NEED ANYONE TO GIVE HIM AUTHORITY TO GIVE ETERNAL LIFE, JESUS DOES (need to receive Authority)! So, anyone who’s rational can figure out that Jesus is NOT God!

You write -
“P.S. I am not "mentally challenge" [sic]. I am extremely intelligent (in the 99th percentile), very literate, have extensive knowledge of the Bible, and am a "born-again" Christian who knows the triune God and who is known by the triune God.”.

You seem to be self-exalting yourself, which speaks a lot about you, and which, is against what Jesus preaches - "For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” – Luke 14:11.
So much of being a ‘born again’ Christian.

Clearly you don't understand what "being open to being taught by God" means.

Also, I have no interest in what you have to say. Since you revel in personal insults, I will ignore any future posts by you.

 

[jimb]

I know that you wrote this to @jimb, but I feel that I should reply to you about what you have written above.

First, calling @jimb ‘mentally-challenge’ because you do not understand his belief about Jesus is extremely low of you. Also, calling somebody ‘mentally-challenge’ or ‘mentally challenged’ is not only an insult to that person but also to individuals who really do have learning disabilities. Having a learning disability is not very easy for children who have them nor it is very easy for their parents.

Second, jimb, to the best of my knowledge, has not written anything stating that Jesus sent himself. (Never have I heard any other Trinitarian for that matter say that Jesus sent himself. It is always something like ‘His Father sent him.’) On the other hand, I have observed here and elsewhere that many non-Trinitarians who demonstrate that they don’t actually understand Trinitarianism like to say weird things such as, ‘You (Trinitarians) make Jesus into God the Father.’ It is actually Modalists who believe that Jesus was not only the Son but also the Father and the Spirit. Modalism, by the way, was formally condemned as heresy by Trinitarian bishops very long ago.

Don't bother discussing anything with @JerryMyers . He is nothing but confrontational and what he says is of no value. I feel very sorry for him.

BTW, I very much appreciate your posts, especially your explanation of the difference between Eastern and Western Christianity. It makes me want to examine Eastern Christianity more than I already have.

 

[jimb]

the father could only ''send'' Jesus if the father , had authority over him . it has been stated over and over again that the father ,son and holy spirit are equal in every way. what can equals do if even one of them wants something different ? it would be a stalemate. which means they also cannot do something/anything without getting the ok from the other two .

If I send my wife to the store, does that make her inferior to me? Think about what you've written.

 

[jimb]

Where does scripture say, "ONLY GOD CAN GIVE ETERNAL LIFE"?

John 17:1 Jesus is praying to the Father - "the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you." This is said before Jesus' crucifixion and Jesus is asking his Father to glorify him.
In v. 2 scripture tells us that Jesus was given authority to give eternal life and then in v.3 Jesus claims that his Father is the ONLY TRUE God and that knowing this is eternal life.

Now as we read on, are we expected to believe that Jesus (the Messiah) once had glory, he gave up that glory and was given that glory back? Verse 5 is speaking of the exaltation and glory of the Messiah as predicted in the OT and is presented as Jesus having the "glory before the world existed". Jesus used the past tense because he knew that God had promised the glory he was to be given. In Biblical language predestined things are spoken of as already existing because they are "as good as done" in God's eyes. His glory was not literally given until his death, resurrection and exaltation to the right hand of Almighty God.

Also, further on in this chapter Jesus again uses the language of "giving glory" and "having glory" before literal existence.
John 17:20-22 "I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you Father are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one." Here Jesus is giving his glory, the glory that is going to be given to him upon his exaltation to God's right hand to all those who will believe in the future, but it is spoken of as already given.

Yes, Jesus once had glory, gave up that glory, and was given that glory back. You got it, my friend!

 

[jimb]

OP is:

Which text from the Christian Bible uniquely proves that Jesus is Almighty God?​

Did Jesus or any Apostle talk about this subject in the Bible? No!
Did they explain it is something essential to having everlasting life? No!
Understanding what Jewish people believed at the time of Jesus life on earth, wouldn't you think this conversation would have came up?
Since Jesus and the Apostle's didn't bother talking about this subject, why are we?

Jesus had this to say to his Father in prayer:

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. -John 17:3 Berean literal Bible

Jesus starts with "this is eternal life" This sounds essential. Does it sound essential to you?
The words speak for themselves, How can this be interpreted a different way?

What is your interpretation of these words at John 17:3?

Read your Bible more carefully and BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.

 

[jimb]

It does not say that Jesus said "this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and me, another or same only true God, and the holy spirit, another only true God, and all of us are equal to the others and yet we're one God." No, it does not say that.

Are you seriously mocking Jesus Christ???

 

[jimb]

So even within the doctrine itself, there’s division.
This is the West. (Well, most of us here.)
Are you from the Eastern Europe area?

But really, Jesus and the HS are described as lesser gods? Why would you want to worship “lesser gods”?

Anyway that’s not what Jehovah God in Exodus 20:2-6, the 1st of the Ten Commandments (quite important, eh?), commands us to do.

They are not "lesser gods"! If you don't understand the Trinity, TRY HARDER.

The First Commandment says "You shall have no other gods before me."

John 1:3 says, "All things were created by him [Jesus Christ], and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created."

And Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Clearly, Jesus is God.