White Privilege is a Politically Motivated Lie

[Willamena]

But this ostensibly all encompassing privilege just doesn't apply to
all in the group. So to make it about the entire group is at best a
mistaken stretch because it ignores individuals & variations.

It applies ONLY to the group. Not to individuals.

 

[BSM1]

For who, exactly? For the record, I am not calling people I disagree with... how did he put it...

Ah yes, closet racists.

Which begs the question: What could anyone have against a closet?

 

[Revoltingest]

It applies ONLY to the group. Not to individuals.

I understand that you see it thus.
But a great mean apply it to every individual.
This seems most common.

 

[Deidre]

Songbird's avatar!

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen her lol but good to know. I found it in some cool anime artwork online!

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen her lol but good to know. I found it in some cool anime artwork online!

As I recall, you offered her birthday wishes once.
But I don't think she posted in that thread.

Is it creepy that I remember as much as I do?

 

[Quetzal]

Which begs the question: What could anyone have against a closet?

Some a too narrow with odd shelves. It makes putting the vacuum cleaner away more difficult.

 

[Willamena]

I understand that you see it thus.
But a great mean apply it to every individual.
This seems most common.

A great many are idiots.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Answer me this, do you think it is O.K. to generalize people because of the colour of their skin, biological sex, and where they live geographically?

For the purpose of garnering a generalized understanding about a person's influences? Absolutely.

Your first argument was terrible, regardless of who you are.
That other data doesn't matter, ultimately, but it certainly gives insight into why you'd talk about racial equality the way that you did, given where you're from and what social influences surround you...

Would you like to somehow argue that's not the case?

If you would care to add qualifiers to your position, then feel free to do so. Maybe you're exactly the opposite of what the demographics for your region would predict. Maybe this whole post is all satire for you. If that's the case, just say so and we'll all have a good laugh at my idiocy.

If that's not the case, then I'd ask if it really surprises anyone (including yourself) that a White male from the Midwest, with what its demographically and politically inclined census suggests, shares an opinion about racial equality that seems more focused of self preservation than on understanding the arguments being made by those who insist that White Privilege exists in what is a predominantly White, patriarchal society.

that sounds like bigotry and racism to me.

I'm a White male, in my mid-thirties, from North Georgia . I have a BS from a Christian University. I come from a divorced household that had a median family income somewhere around $85,000 annually. If you don't make assumptions about me based on that information, you're lying.

Making assumptions about those demographics doesn't make you bigoted or racist.

 

[Nakosis]

We have heard about white privilege for quite a while now in our media, from political pundits etc. and rightly or wrongly I assume that this false concept is also taught in some or many colleges as fact, but is it real? I am of the mind to say that no, white privilege does not exist in the United States nor have I ever come across any white people that have ever experienced any perks of simply being white. Quite honestly, I wouldn't mind nor have any quilt if having some white privilege meant:
Free gas, tires, and oil changes for life
Free Movie passes and no entry fees for museums, sporting events, and concerts
Me and my party get to the front of the queue while waiting in line at restaurants- no lines or waiting for this YT
A free pass on Traffic Tickets and very light sentences for any crimes I might commit
An extra deduction on my taxes JUST FOR BEING WHITE
and these are just a few examples.
Below is an interesting and entertaining video of a small group of whites and blacks explaining white privilege, what it means to them, and how it has benefited or harmed them personally.

I don't think you or these professors on the video understand white privilege.

White privilege is not racism or white supremacy.

It's two things really. First is that as a majority, white folks get to set the standards. Standard of beauty for example. Ads, media promote "white" features. For adults, this is probably not a big deal. They are mature enough to not let this affect them. As a child though, it may cause self-esteem issues if they are different and feel they are not capable of living up to this standard.

The second is basically success privilege. The perception of success of the white race. Even though skin color has nothing to do with it. It's an attribute associated with success. There's an assumption that if you're poor and white you're more likely to be successful than if you're poor and black. Or basically people who are otherwise equal, skin tone somehow plays a factor in their ability to succeed.

This may influence someone's decisions in hiring and finance.

 

[Deidre]

As I recall, you offered her birthday wishes once.
But I don't think she posted in that thread.

Is it creepy that I remember as much as I do?

I do remember her name now! I didn’t remember her avatar. Lol Is it creepy?? Ummmm ...jk

 

[Stanyon]

For the purpose of garnering a generalized understanding about a person's influences? Absolutely.

Generalizing is one of one of the most common logical fallacies and seems a very weak skeleton to attempt to flesh out, if the foundation is poor the wood will be rotten.

If that's not the case, then I'd ask if it really surprises anyone (including yourself) that a White male from the Midwest, with what its demographically and politically inclined census suggests, shares an opinion about racial equality that seems more focused of self preservation than on understanding the arguments being made by those who insist that White Privilege exists in what is a predominantly White, patriarchal society.

The white males and females in the video are from the midwest as well, KCMO to be precise- how does what they say fit in with the what the census suggests are the demographics and political inclinations?

I'm a White male, in my mid-thirties, from North Georgia . I have a BS from a Christian University. I come from a divorced household that had a median family income somewhere around $85,000 annually. If you don't make assumptions about me based on that information, you're lying.
Making assumptions about those demographics doesn't make you bigoted or racist.

Since I don't know you personally the only assumption I can make from you after posting that unsolicited personal information if true and correct is that you are a white male, in your mid-thirties, from North Georgia that has a BS from a Christian University and that you come from a divorced household that had a median family income somewhere around $85,000 annually.

where we run into problems is this:

If you don't make assumptions about me based on that information, you're lying.

Well I don't make assumptions about you based on that information because I don't know you personally nor do I know that the information you provided is completely true and correct, nor would it make any difference in how I respond to you if it was- but of course I must be lying.
If I had to guess I'd say you are projecting your own propensity for judgement of others onto me, you have already shown a propensity for that.
Do you see yourself as a judgemental person?

 

[Stanyon]

Even though skin color has nothing to do with it. It's an attribute associated with success. There's an assumption that if you're poor and white you're more likely to be successful than if you're poor and black. Or basically people who are otherwise equal, skin tone somehow plays a factor in their ability to succeed.
This may influence someone's decisions in hiring and finance.

Funny, it seems banks are only interested in your credit history and what you owe vs.what you make, in other words if the numbers don't add up you don't get a loan- they are only turning down money in their pocket if they refuse a loan to someone who has demonstrated the ability to pay their debts. In the hiring department an employer would be a fool to turn down or hire a prospective employee based on the colour of their skin, if they have a solid work history and want to work it wouldn't make sense to pass them on, a good worker is a benefit to any company.

 

[Nakosis]

Funny, it seems banks are only interested in your credit history and what you owe vs.what you make, in other words if the numbers don't add up you don't get a loan- they are only turning down money in their pocket if they refuse a loan to someone who has demonstrated the ability to pay their debts. In the hiring department an employer would be a fool to turn down or hire a prospective employee based on the colour of their skin, if they have a solid work history and want to work it wouldn't make sense to pass them on, a good worker is a benefit to any company.

Yes, we're making progress.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."

A job applicant with a name that sounds like it might belong to an African-American - say, Lakisha Washington or Jamal Jones - can find it harder to get a job. Despite laws against discrimination, affirmative action, a degree of employer enlightenment, and the desire by some businesses to enhance profits by hiring those most qualified regardless of race, African-Americans are twice as likely as whites to be unemployed and they earn nearly 25 percent less when they are employed.

Now a "field experiment" by NBER Faculty Research Fellows Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan measures this discrimination in a novel way. In response to help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston newspapers, they sent resumes with either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. Thus, they experimentally manipulated perception of race via the name on the resume. Half of the applicants were assigned African-American names that are "remarkably common" in the black population, the other half white sounding names, such as Emily Walsh or Greg Baker.

To see how the credentials of job applicants affect discrimination, the authors varied the quality of the resumes they used in response to a given ad. Higher quality applicants were given a little more labor market experience on average and fewer holes in their employment history. They were also portrayed as more likely to have an email address, to have completed some certification degree, to possess foreign language skills, or to have been awarded some honors.

In total, the authors responded to more than 1,300 employment ads in the sales, administrative support, clerical, and customer services job categories, sending out nearly 5,000 resumes. The ads covered a large spectrum of job quality, from cashier work at retail establishments and clerical work in a mailroom to office and sales management positions.

The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This would suggest either employer prejudice or employer perception that race signals lower productivity.

The 50 percent gap in callback rates is statistically very significant, Bertrand and Mullainathan note in Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination (NBER Working Paper No. 9873). It indicates that a white name yields as many more callbacks as an additional eight years of experience. Race, the authors add, also affects the reward to having a better resume. Whites with higher quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than whites with lower quality resumes. But the positive impact of a better resume for those with Africa-American names was much smaller.

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

Americans, especially wealthy whites, vastly overestimate progress toward racial economic equality despite evidence of persistent gaps between black and white workers when it comes to hourly wages, annual income and household wealth, according to a new paper by Yale University researchers published Monday.

The study’s results are especially stunning in the wake of census data released last week that showed that African Americans were the only racial group still making less than they did in 2000.

The average black household made 60 percent of what white households made in 2016 and less than half of what Asians made, according to census data. For every $100 of wealth accumulated by a white family, a black family has little more than $5 -- a gap just as wide as it was 50 years ago, according to federal statistics cited by the Yale researchers.

White people are really confident that things are getting better for black people


I am sure there are other such studies if you actually looked.

And as Dr. King pointed out, economic equality is directly tied to social equality.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do remember her name now! I didn’t remember her avatar. Lol Is it creepy?? Ummmm ...jk

It's a wonderful avatar....elegant & friendly.

 

[PureX]

Nice straw men! I see you have destroyed the entire concept of white privilege with the reasoning of a six year old.

One has to make do with what one has, I suppose ...

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I find the best perk of being white is that those neo-Nazis and KKK idiots leave me alone.

 

[Enoch07]

White privilege is not as prevalent as female privilege. But nobody wants to talk about that.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

I'm a White male, in my mid-thirties, from North Georgia . I have a BS from a Christian University. I come from a divorced household that had a median family income somewhere around $85,000 annually. If you don't make assumptions about me based on that information, you're lying.

Making assumptions about those demographics doesn't make you bigoted or racist.

I would never make assumptions about anyone.
However, I’m quite confident that you drive a red ford F150 with extended cab, and a gun rack in back.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

White privilege is not as prevalent as female privilege. But nobody wants to talk about that.

Female privilege? You mean making less money than men? I don't know if I would consider that a privilege.