White Privilege is a Politically Motivated Lie

[Enoch07]

Female privilege? You mean making less money than men? I don't know if I would consider that a privilege.

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-men-given-longer-sentences-than-women-for-the-same-crime

Women spend less time in jail than men when the same crime is committed.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-women-win-custody-more-often-than-men-in-a-divorce-case

Women win custody far more than men.

Women are dominating men at college. Blame sexism.

Millions more women than men will be enrolled in college this fall - The Boston Globe

Women’s college enrollment gains leave men behind

Women are accepted into college far more than men.

These would indicate female privilege.

 

[Sanzbir]

When I say privilege, I mean comparatively to others.
For example...in the UK Cof E have 20 unelected Bishops in our Parliament. So, if you are a Muslim, Jew or non-believer you have 20 less representatives.

Aren't they strictly Anglican??

Also couldn't an Anglican represent my political views, or that of a Jew or a Muslim??

And couldn't the Anglican not represent the views of other Anglicans??

I mean if they're unelected, then they don't really represent anyone, so I don't think that example works.

Also, statistically speaking, four of those Anglican bishop representatives are either atheist or agnostic. So do those four count as privileges for all British Agnostics??

 

[Revoltingest]

White privilege is not as prevalent as female privilege. But nobody wants to talk about that.

It is indeed difficult to get those who cry "Privilege" to recognize their own.
I notice that women in particular so often face this with outright denial.

 

[David1967]

do you think it is O.K. to generalize people because of the colour of their skin, biological sex, and where they live geographically?

Nope.

that sounds like bigotry and racism to me.

Agree.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

His perspective is important and relevant to the topic since his personal experiences is all he has to offer.

That's all anyone ever has to offer in regards to this issue.

 

[Nous]

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-women-win-custody-more-often-than-men-in-a-divorce-case

Women win custody far more than men.

Child custody and visitation arrangements are most often the result of out-of-court agreements between the parents. Women most often seek and get custody.

Child custody decisions by family courts are almost always based on which parent is the primary caregiver of the child. Family courts essentially go by a list of ordinary factors to determine who is the primary caregiver, such as who most often: feeds or prepares meals for the child; packs lunches; cuddles or holds the child; dresses and does laundry; bathes the child and helps with other hygiene tasks; goes grocery shopping; shops for the child's clothes; helps with homework; tends to the child's social activities such as getting the child to and from and hosting playdates and birthday parties; is involved in the child's school and extracirricular sports activities. Etc., etc. The mother is most often the primary caregiver of a child, hands-down.

Women are dominating men at college. Blame sexism.

Did you even read the WaPo article? Women have moved into professions that are traditionally male-dominated, while "men, in contrast, have been much less willing to take positions traditionally held by college-educated women. More than three-quarters of public school teachers were women in 2008. And and more than 90 percent of nurses were women in 2011."

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-men-given-longer-sentences-than-women-for-the-same-crime

Women spend less time in jail than men when the same crime is committed.

There are tremendous uncertainties in Starr's analysis. The majority of the disparity that she found in sentence length between men and women is due to criminal history and other pre-charge variables. Other factors include that women were often men's accomplices, women are more often the primary caregivers of children, and women are more cooperative with the government.

Nevertheless, if judges see male criminals as more dangerous to society than female criminals, there's good reason for it.

 

[Flame]

Child custody and visitation arrangements are most often the result of out-of-court agreements between the parents. Women most often seek and get custody.

Child custody decisions by family courts are almost always based on which parent is the primary caregiver of the child. Family courts essentially go by a list of ordinary factors to determine who is the primary caregiver, such as who most often: feeds or prepares meals for the child; packs lunches; cuddles or holds the child; dresses and does laundry; bathes the child and helps with other hygiene tasks; goes grocery shopping; shops for the child's clothes; helps with homework; tends to the child's social activities such as getting the child to and from and hosting playdates and birthday parties; is involved in the child's school and extracirricular sports activities. Etc., etc. The mother is most often the primary caregiver of a child, hands-down.

As a single father that won child custody through court, you are 100% correct.

 

[Nous]

As a single father that won child custody through court, you are 100% correct.

My brother was also awarded child custody on the basis of these ordinary reasons. I should have also noted that judges often look unfavorably on a party who has had an affair that breaks up a marriage.

 

[Stanyon]

That's all anyone ever has to offer in regards to this issue.

Exactly, but some would rather trust impersonal statistics and data which are compiled by groups of someones with who knows what agenda just because they may have a few dots and letters before their names and an official sounding name for the study- and what would those statistics and data be derived from in this case? A collection of compiled groupings of personal experiences which may or may not be true

 

[Enoch07]

Child custody and visitation arrangements are most often the result of out-of-court agreements between the parents. Women most often seek and get custody.

Child custody decisions by family courts are almost always based on which parent is the primary caregiver of the child. Family courts essentially go by a list of ordinary factors to determine who is the primary caregiver, such as who most often: feeds or prepares meals for the child; packs lunches; cuddles or holds the child; dresses and does laundry; bathes the child and helps with other hygiene tasks; goes grocery shopping; shops for the child's clothes; helps with homework; tends to the child's social activities such as getting the child to and from and hosting playdates and birthday parties; is involved in the child's school and extracirricular sports activities. Etc., etc. The mother is most often the primary caregiver of a child, hands-down.

Did you even read the WaPo article? Women have moved into professions that are traditionally male-dominated, while "men, in contrast, have been much less willing to take positions traditionally held by college-educated women. More than three-quarters of public school teachers were women in 2008. And and more than 90 percent of nurses were women in 2011."

There are tremendous uncertainties in Starr's analysis. The majority of the disparity that she found in sentence length between men and women is due to criminal history and other pre-charge variables. Other factors include that women were often men's accomplices, women are more often the primary caregivers of children, and women are more cooperative with the government.

Nevertheless, if judges see male criminals as more dangerous to society than female criminals, there's good reason for it.

Yes and white people work harder, minorities commit more crime etc to justify white privilege (or so I've been told). Either privilege exist and people take advantage of it, or does not exist and it's just an illusion. You can't claim privilege for one group then turn a blind eye to anothers.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Generalizing is one of one of the most common logical fallacies and seems a very weak skeleton to attempt to flesh out, if the foundation is poor the wood will be rotten.

As I said, feel free to qualify the basic demographic information to make it more accurate. But it seems to readily correspond with your first argument. I will happily admit my wrong, if I'm wrong.

Your argument isn't bad because you're a Midwestern White guy. It's bad because it's based on a ridiculous set of strawmen scenarios that have no real-world connection to the problems of racial or sexual inequality that exist in this society. It's bad because it shows that you aren't listening to the actual issues that people on the other side are bringing up. It's bad because it seems completely blind to the privilege that you currently enjoy.

The argument that you made is typical of a certain demographic. If you aren't part of that demographic, that's fine. Correct me. But if you are, it's not surprising. People in your demographic, do, think, and act, in a fairly predictable and calculable way based on their shared surroundings, influences, backgrounds, etc... Just as people in my demographic do the same. None of this is one -sided, and that's why I gave you my personal demographic information. Demographics mean something. To not recognize that is to seriously over-inflate our sense of self - which is the problem that I see with your original argument.

The white males and females in the video are from the midwest as well, KCMO to be precise- how does what they say fit in with the what the census suggests are the demographics and political inclinations?

Do you really not think they were chosen to be interviewed in the video because of what their demographics suggested?
Who are those people?
Why were they there and able to be interviewed?
What are their backgrounds?

He went to a White Privilege conference and interviewed a certain demographic, did he not?
He then went to a separate corresponding demographic neighborhood and interviewed a different demographic.

Do you think he chose those people at random, or because of the predictability of their demographics?
What of the other interviews that didn't fit his intended outcome?
Which segments were cut, and why?

He also caters to a target audience, right?
What are the demographics of his target audience?

Is he racist because he uses demographics to make better videos?

Since I don't know you personally the only assumption I can make from you after posting that unsolicited personal information if true and correct is that you are a white male, in your mid-thirties, from North Georgia that has a BS from a Christian University and that you come from a divorced household that had a median family income somewhere around $85,000 annually.

I've asked you for yours. So it's only fair that I share mine.

There are lots of assumptions that can be made about me based on that information. Some of it will be spot on accurate. Some of it will be inaccurate. Like I've said before, pretending (or not recognizing) the importance that our social influences play on our personal development is foolish.

If you can't name a couple of demographic assumptions about me then you just aren't trying hard enough.

Well I don't make assumptions about you based on that information because I don't know you personally nor do I know that the information you provided is completely true and correct, nor would it make any difference in how I respond to you if it was- but of course I must be lying.
If I had to guess I'd say you are projecting your own propensity for judgement of others onto me, you have already shown a propensity for that.
Do you see yourself as a judgemental person?

We're on Religiousforums.com debating the "politically motivated lie" of white privilege, and the importance of demographics and you want to talk about our propensity for judgement?

*Please note that I've never attempted to imply that you were a racist or a bigot.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I would never make assumptions about anyone.
However, I’m quite confident that you drive a red ford F150 with extended cab, and a gun rack in back.

Right, on!
See? That wasn't so hard!

I do drive an extended cab truck. But it's not an f-150, although those damn things are everywhere... Our towns (and cities) aren't really designed for foot traffic and we've built this Homeric champion out of the ideal that men should build things with their own two hands. So, lots of Southern men drive pickups of some type, both for the utility of hauling wood and other such large objects, and for covering the expanses that we've put between homes, civic centers, shopping areas, etc.

Guns are quite prevalent. But the gun-rack-in-the-back-window has kind of fallen out of favor over the years. Nowadays, people like their gun storage to look as urban and tactical as possible. This often means sleek black holsters in some sort of neat hide-a-way compartment. The gun rack is more common is extremely rural areas.

 

[Akivah]

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-men-given-longer-sentences-than-women-for-the-same-crime

Women spend less time in jail than men when the same crime is committed.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-women-win-custody-more-often-than-men-in-a-divorce-case

Women win custody far more than men.

Women are dominating men at college. Blame sexism.

Millions more women than men will be enrolled in college this fall - The Boston Globe

Women’s college enrollment gains leave men behind

Women are accepted into college far more than men.

These would indicate female privilege.

Also, in a threatening situation, such as a sinking boat or a hostage situation, the norm is to save the women and children first, while leaving the men to die.

 

[Akivah]

Child custody and visitation arrangements are most often the result of out-of-court agreements between the parents. Women most often seek and get custody.

Child custody decisions by family courts are almost always based on which parent is the primary caregiver of the child. Family courts essentially go by a list of ordinary factors to determine who is the primary caregiver, such as who most often: feeds or prepares meals for the child; packs lunches; cuddles or holds the child; dresses and does laundry; bathes the child and helps with other hygiene tasks; goes grocery shopping; shops for the child's clothes; helps with homework; tends to the child's social activities such as getting the child to and from and hosting playdates and birthday parties; is involved in the child's school and extracirricular sports activities. Etc., etc. The mother is most often the primary caregiver of a child, hands-down.

Interesting that you accept explanations of why women have privilege in certain cases, but refuse explanations of why men have privilege in other cases, such as the exaggerated gender pay gap.

 

[Nous]

Yes and white people work harder, minorities commit more crime etc to justify white privilege (or so I've been told). Either privilege exist and people take advantage of it, or does not exist and it's just an illusion. You can't claim privilege for one group then turn a blind eye to anothers.

Your claims about "privileges" that women are provided and that men are denied are still false.

 

[Nous]

Interesting that you accept explanations of why women have privilege in certain cases, but refuse explanations of why men have privilege in other cases, such as the exaggerated gender pay gap.

You need to read the information I provided. At no point did I agree that "women have privilege in certain cases" that men are denied. (Though, in the US, women do not have to register for the draft and are not drafted. That is a privilege that the government provides to women that men are denied.)

 

[Akivah]

You need to read the information I provided. At no point did I agree that "women have privilege in certain cases" that men are denied. (Though, in the US, women do not have to register for the draft and are not drafted. That is a privilege that the government provides to women that men are denied.)

Are you claiming that when a boat is sinking, they don't get women and children into the life boats before the men?

 

[Nous]

Are you claiming that when a boat is sinking, they don't get women and children into the life boats before the men?

Obviously I haven't made any such claim.

 

[Enoch07]

Your claims about "privileges" that women are provided and that men are denied are still false.

They are not false. Everything I listed is fact statistically. You are making excuses for female privilege in much the same way that white people make excuses for white privilege.

Everyone has privileges to some extent. Either by class (wealth/social status), ethnicity, gender, or physical attractiveness. Class and Attractiveness is the 2 most prominent as money and beauty provides privileges that overides any drawbacks caused by others privilege. Ethnicity and gender are secondary concerns that the class/attractiveness crowd want you to focus on so that you don't come after them. The real privileged people of the world.

 

[leibowde84]

We have heard about white privilege for quite a while now in our media, from political pundits etc. and rightly or wrongly I assume that this false concept is also taught in some or many colleges as fact, but is it real? I am of the mind to say that no, white privilege does not exist in the United States nor have I ever come across any white people that have ever experienced any perks of simply being white. Quite honestly, I wouldn't mind nor have any quilt if having some white privilege meant:
Free gas, tires, and oil changes for life
Free Movie passes and no entry fees for museums, sporting events, and concerts
Me and my party get to the front of the queue while waiting in line at restaurants- no lines or waiting for this YT
A free pass on Traffic Tickets and very light sentences for any crimes I might commit
An extra deduction on my taxes JUST FOR BEING WHITE
and these are just a few examples.
Below is an interesting and entertaining video of a small group of whites and blacks explaining white privilege, what it means to them, and how it has benefited or harmed them personally.

I think it's real. It has nothing to do with free stuff though. It just means that white people are disproportionately in positions of power and racial prejudice still exists (much stronger in some parts of the country). I'm not sure it is reasonable to expect to notice it from the inside though. In other words, I'm not sure that white people are the best people to see whether it actually exists. You have to go to minorities to see whether they have experienced prejudice for not being white.