Who are you to question God? really...

[McBell]

Thats entirely false.

Based on what, exactly?

 

[Lady B]

No, this thread is here because YOU have taken offense towards some things some people say about your god and you demanded that everyone respect your god.


One does wonder why your god, if he was as offended as you, did not do or say anything himself?

Again with the demand word, I did not demand or command you or any other person, If you are using my attribute of my God, yes He does demand respect, but I in noway demanded you comply , I pleaded with you to consider there is a being a higher being ,consider him not beneath you or beside you,If not for yourself then do it for those of us who do Love him, why not? I would do it for you, I have many thoughts about some of the other religious beings discussed here, I do not let myself disrespect them with insults to make any debate points, and many others do not either, It is just not needed and If you believed in my scripture at all, I would show you how it brings condemnation on yourselves, But I get that that is useless so I am not pleading from scripture, I am pleading for us here who have to tolerate this over and over again....

 

[Ingledsva]

God cannot stop all evil. If God stopped all evil people would disappear. OK God CAN stop all evil but there would would be no more souls left over. Just grass and trees.

WHAT??? You think ALL people including toddlers and infants are EVIL???? :no:

 

[McBell]

Again with the demand word, I did not demand or command you or any other person, If you are using my attribute of my God, yes He does demand respect, but I in noway demanded you comply , I pleaded with you to consider there is a being a higher being ,consider him not beneath you or beside you,If not for yourself then do it for those of us who do Love him, why not? I would do it for you, I have many thoughts about some of the other religious beings discussed here, I do not let myself disrespect them with insults to make any debate points, and many others do not either, It is just not needed and If you believed in my scripture at all, I would show you how it brings condemnation on yourselves, But I get that that is useless so I am not pleading from scripture, I am pleading for us here who have to tolerate this over and over again....

again you seem to have gone out of your way to miss the point.

Is your god so helpless that he requires you to defend him and demand everyone respects him?

I mean, if your god was as offended as you, why did he not do something himself?

Seems to me you are the one who is offended and are trying to use god as your justification of demanding respect...

that you feel the need to step up and demand respect when your god doesn't seems to be rather revealing, don't you think?

 

[apophenia]

Thats entirely false.

That statement is not an argument. It is merely an assertion.

You know and I know that if a Pakistani or Afghan villager publically declared non-muslim or anti-muslim teachings they would be dead very soon.

 

[Lady B]

As mentioned a whole lotta times in this thread, that is exactly what it is meant. We are debating your beliefs about God. You say God is xyz. We come back and say then that sort of God is not very nice. The "If God is xyz" part of the "then he is not very nice" is implied.

Like I said, I think that if God exists, and s/he/it truly is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, I highly doubt he is anything like the God your beliefs describe. I highly doubt that he cares one iota that there are people who don't believe in him, and I certainly don't think that he'd fault people for using their God-given reason, compassion, and moral compass. He'd be bigger, grander, greater than the rather petty God your beliefs describe. Now how's that for respect?

Actually that is still in the lines of respect, I wish you all would get that I am not against debate or even distaste or disbelief, I am not talking about the disrespect on the thread i started discussing disrespect, though a couple examples have been given and highlighted.

 

[Lady B]

I suspect that people know they can easily get her goat and chase after every chance they get so they can get a rise out of.

it is a form of control actually.
She is letting those who would get her goat control her.

Now you have me laughing because that is exactly my thought when you keep picking at every word I use instead of what I am saying....and I keep responding....Ugh

 

[Lady B]

If you were able to take you OP and do as I suggested, changing all references to god and making them to the Tooth fairy instead, you would understand that as ridiculous as your OP would sound to you if it were about the Tooth Fairy instead of god, that is how ridiculous it sounds to those who do not believe in god.

Ok granted, but If I did that and used the easter bunny as replacement, you would not even respond over its foolishness, It would be foolish because noone believes in it, But many Believe in a God and it is not foolish to ask you to show some respect to a God,whereas asking anyone to respect a bunny well.....

 

[Lady B]

Based on what, exactly?

Based on he was claiming where I live is a problem, not where you think he lives...

edit: I reread it, sorry It has been a long day...

 

[Lady B]

Why is it arrogant and blasphemous to question or deny or declare unholy your god, Lady B, yet you are not arrogant and blasphemous for denying, questioning, or not accepting the holiness of Zeus or Cernunnos or Pan or Athena or Isis or any number of other gods?

I have never entered into a debate about these God's either, and will continue to refrain from them out of respect for the unknown. I certainly would not enter into a debate and call them names, I do not deny question or discuss them entirely. But The God or God's I do know of and enter into discussions about, I certainly try to have respect, not mockery, calling them vile detestable, ego maniacle sadistic ect...

 

[Father Heathen]

*reads through the thread*

*reads "Shield of Valor" description*

*scratches head*

 

[F0uad]

That statement is not an argument. It is merely an assertion.

You know and I know that if a Pakistani or Afghan villager publically declared non-muslim or anti-muslim teachings they would be dead very soon.

Ok and you know how many ''Islamic'' countries there are?

 

[apophenia]

*reads through the thread*

*reads "Shield of Valor" description*

*scratches head*

LOL. Me too.

 

[apophenia]

Originally Posted by apophenia

You know and I know that if a Pakistani or Afghan villager publically declared non-muslim or anti-muslim teachings they would be dead very soon.

Ok and you know how many ''Islamic'' countries there are?

Is what I said true or false ? Answer directly without avoidance ...

 

[Copernicus]

Ok granted, but If I did that and used the easter bunny as replacement, you would not even respond over its foolishness, It would be foolish because noone believes in it, But many Believe in a God and it is not foolish to ask you to show some respect to a God,whereas asking anyone to respect a bunny well.....

Lady B, a lot of us nonbelievers have been trying to explain to you how the OP was perceived by us, but you really don't seem to get the explanation. Mestemia's substitution exercise is just one way of trying to get you to feel some empathy (not sympathy) for our point of view.

Consider the legendary figure of Sinterklaas, the Dutch/Belgian/Luxembourger version of Santa Claus. Sinterklaas is a rather nasty piece of work compared to our Santa. He and his henchman, Black Pete (Zwarte Piet), are said to use corporal punishment on bad children and even kidnap them and send them to Spain! You are right that no normal adult takes the legend seriously, but you must agree that some children do. So, suppose you told a Dutch kid that Sinterklaas sounded nasty and the child demanded that you stop insulting Sinterklaas. You might well do that, but you might also explain why you thought Sinterklaas sounded like a nasty person. It all depends on whether or not you wanted to patronize the child by going along with the delusion.

A lot of people--even many believers--feel that some people of faith describe their (Abrahamic) God as a mean-spirited patriarch--not a paragon of virtue from a modern perspective. So they use pejorative language when referring to that version of God. You seem to insist that we patronize your belief by behaving deferentially to an imaginary being. You aren't a child, and you should not take offense if people do not try to patronize you. You have a perfect right to ask me not to insult you. What you don't have a right to do is ask me not to insult an imaginary being. If you feel that pejorative descriptions of God insult you, then say it in those terms. Don't tell us to respect God's feelings. Tell us to respect your feelings. You have a perfect right to do that, but it is probably unrealistic to expect everyone to respect your feelings.

 

[F0uad]

Is what I said true or false ? Answer directly without avoidance ...

Those are false because i never mentioned Afghanistan or Pakistan nor did i mean those so try harder.
I think even being a American can lead you to your dead in several villages in Pakistan and Afghanistan and you shouldn't be shocked to hear it.

 

[Lady B]

*reads through the thread*

*reads "Shield of Valor" description*

*scratches head*

Yeh what were they thinking ...thx

 

[F0uad]

Lady B, a lot of us nonbelievers have been trying to explain to you how the OP was perceived by us, but you really don't seem to get the explanation. Mestemia's substitution exercise is just one way of trying to get you to feel some empathy (not sympathy) for our point of view.

Consider the legendary figure of Sinterklaas, the Dutch/Belgian/Luxembourger version of Santa Claus. Sinterklaas is a rather nasty piece of work compared to our Santa. He and his henchman, Black Pete (Zwarte Piet), are said to use corporal punishment on bad children and even kidnap them and send them to Spain! You are right that no normal adult takes the legend seriously, but you must agree that some children do. So, suppose you told a Dutch kid that Sinterklaas sounded nasty and the child demanded that you stop insulting Sinterklaas. You might well do that, but you might also explain why you thought Sinterklaas sounded like a nasty person. It all depends on whether or not you wanted to patronize the child by going along with the delusion.

A lot of people--even many believers--feel that some people of faith describe their (Abrahamic) God as a mean-spirited patriarch--not a paragon of virtue from a modern perspective. So they use pejorative language when referring to that version of God. You seem to insist that we patronize your belief by behaving deferentially to an imaginary being. You aren't a child, and you should not take offense if people do not try to patronize you. You have a perfect right to ask me not to insult you. What you don't have a right to do is ask me not to insult an imaginary being. If you feel that pejorative descriptions of God insult you, then say it in those terms. Don't tell us to respect God's feelings. Tell us to respect your feelings. You have a perfect right to do that, but it is probably unrealistic to expect everyone to respect your feelings.

Heeeey Sinterklaas is a nice guy! He gives me candy!

 

[Lady B]

Lady B, a lot of us nonbelievers have been trying to explain to you how the OP was perceived by us, but you really don't seem to get the explanation. Mestemia's substitution exercise is just one way of trying to get you to feel some empathy (not sympathy) for our point of view.

Consider the legendary figure of Sinterklaas, the Dutch/Belgian/Luxembourger version of Santa Claus. Sinterklaas is a rather nasty piece of work compared to our Santa. He and his henchman, Black Pete (Zwarte Piet), are said to use corporal punishment on bad children and even kidnap them and send them to Spain! You are right that no normal adult takes the legend seriously, but you must agree that some children do. So, suppose you told a Dutch kid that Sinterklaas sounded nasty and the child demanded that you stop insulting Sinterklaas. You might well do that, but you might also explain why you thought Sinterklaas sounded like a nasty person. It all depends on whether or not you wanted to patronize the child by going along with the delusion.

A lot of people--even many believers--feel that some people of faith describe their (Abrahamic) God as a mean-spirited patriarch--not a paragon of virtue from a modern perspective. So they use pejorative language when referring to that version of God. You seem to insist that we patronize your belief by behaving deferentially to an imaginary being. You aren't a child, and you should not take offense if people do not try to patronize you. You have a perfect right to ask me not to insult you. What you don't have a right to do is ask me not to insult an imaginary being. If you feel that pejorative descriptions of God insult you, then say it in those terms. Don't tell us to respect God's feelings. Tell us to respect your feelings. You have a perfect right to do that, but it is probably unrealistic to expect everyone to respect your feelings.

Yes your right, I get it, I just don't understand or believe based on my scriptures that anyone does not believe in a deity , maybe this is why I am so shocked at the audacity. So I will think on this a bit and try to comprehend the premise. Perhaps I will change my plea to ask for respect for those of us who love God and maybe who knows.....

 

[apophenia]

Those are false because i never mentioned Afghanistan or Pakistan nor did i mean those so try harder.
I think even being a American can lead you to your dead in several villages in Pakistan and Afghanistan and you shouldn't be shocked to hear it.

Those statements are not false because you never mentioned Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Those statements are true.

You clearly cannot admit they are true, even though you know they are true statements. That doesn't surprise me.