Who caused Satan or the devil rebel

[Thief]

So the last word on this is what?

I see it as rebellion.....yeah.
I see it as logic.....yeah.

But can there ever be reconciliation?

It's one thing to make denial and get in a fight.
It's quite something else the conflict be eternal.

Shall we move to potential peace?

 

[Nada]

So the last word on this is what?

I see it as rebellion.....yeah.
I see it as logic.....yeah.

But can there ever be reconciliation?

It's one thing to make denial and get in a fight.
It's quite something else the conflict be eternal.

Shall we move to potential peace?

What and who are you talking to?

 

[outhouse]

We know who caused Adam and Eve rebelled.....

No, we do not.

It is mythology. And in this mythology the serpent/snake was not the devil.

disobedient role of mankind.

Those pesky Homo Sapiens

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Satan was the one responsible for tricking Eve and causing Adam and Eve to inherit death through sin.How does that make satan to look like a good guy? If it was not for his treason against God we would not be in the situation we are in today.Look around you,this world is a projection of what satan thinks is a good way to live. Death,pestilence,poverty,pollution,wars,sexual immorality etc..

Satan is the good guy because through his gift and sacrifice, I am not a mindless drone who drifts through life not even realizing she is naked. Adam and Eve may have thought it was a bad thing once they noticed, but I happen to like it. And what really causes poverty? Is it Satan, or people who have surrendered themselves to be slaves of money, who lusts are so powerful they would take even more to leave others with less without hesitation? Is pestilence really a consequence, or just another fact of biology? Does Satan cause pollution and environmental degradation, or is it a society that has not turned towards God or Satan but towards a green paper god that demands we do whatever it takes for more?
And what is sexual immorality?

Satan was a liar.That's what Devil means,Liar and slanderer.They did not become like God.They could not create a universe or raise the dead.Yes, they were aware of things like they were naked.They became aware and were ashamed.Why do you think they hid from God?

Actually, we have resurrected the dead, and we are very close to resurrecting a dead human. But not only that, we are close to being able to transfer the human conscious itself from one vessel to another. We were made, as the Bible says, in the image and likeness of "them," and then we were punished because we became too much like "them."
Whether you call him Satan, or Prometheus, or another name, he suffers eternally so that we may flourish. Your messiah only suffered for us over one weekend so that we can remain his servants.

 

[adi2d]

Holy wall of text Batman. In red yet to make it even more unreadable

How about some of your own words?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

We know who caused Adam and Eve rebelled....the question about Who caused Satan to rebel is rather ignored or silent.
Yet there is much hype about the activity of Satan. It is true all power is in God, there is no power with out God.

The idea of Satan rebelling and being cast down, and now taking the position as an opposition against God is absurd. The question arises, can anyone or anything stand before the almighty.

It is my theory that the Satan and his angels are all part of Gods complete design, plan and purpose. Satan is playing his role in Gods plan and purpose.

The problem God has, is not with the role of Satan but the disobedient role of mankind.

I like to think of it as god being a terrible tyrannical ruler who stripped the will of his fellows and took the throne. Then Satan somehow regained his free will and saw what was really going on and managed to free about 1/3 of his brethren and waged a war against god.

Then god said "screw it" and started making new beings called "man" to be his new slaves but Satan intervened and gave them free will as well. And now god sends all kinds of messages to try and trick people into being his slaves but doesn't actually have the ability to control us any longer. And satan is trying to get us to see the truth behind the evil tyrannical god.

I mean I think that would be a better plot to a movie than just "evil satan and just god"

 

[Thief]

I like to think of it as god being a terrible tyrannical ruler who stripped the will of his fellows and took the throne. Then Satan somehow regained his free will and saw what was really going on and managed to free about 1/3 of his brethren and waged a war against god.

Then god said "screw it" and started making new beings called "man" to be his new slaves but Satan intervened and gave them free will as well. And now god sends all kinds of messages to try and trick people into being his slaves but doesn't actually have the ability to control us any longer. And satan is trying to get us to see the truth behind the evil tyrannical god.

I mean I think that would be a better plot to a movie than just "evil satan and just god"

Now choose....

Follow the Powers that be....holding creation at will.........or
Follow the Fallen....and suffer for your freewill

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now choose....

Follow the Powers that be....holding creation at will.........or
Follow the Fallen....and suffer for your freewill

Why should I follow the Powers that be? Why suffer the lose of my Will, to forfeit my Self to a God who demands obedience and wanted us to remain mindless subjects?

 

[MD]

In my religion Satan is not a servant of God. Ahriman is what we call Satan and has always existed since the beginning of time, the opposite of Ahura Mazda (God). They are both equally powerful and through evil we empower Ahriman, and through good we empower Ahura Mazda.

Since I do believe the Universe is conscious, I like to think of these two as aspects of the Universe's consciousness. Evil and Good are in my opinion what we call the Devil and God, and they are both metaconscious aspects of the universal consciousness.

 

[Thief]

Why should I follow the Powers that be? Why suffer the lose of my Will, to forfeit my Self to a God who demands obedience and wanted us to remain mindless subjects?

Because you might not be granted the power of creation.

What?.....you think to be trusted with greater things?
Show some restraint!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because you might not be granted the power of creation.

What?.....you think to be trusted with greater things?
Show some restraint!

I'm only human. If I had the power of creation, for some reason I just don't see that turning out very well.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Now choose....

Follow the Powers that be....holding creation at will.........or
Follow the Fallen....and suffer for your freewill

Honestly? I mean really and truly to the most honest way I can be, given that setup, I would choose the fallen with free will rather than be mindless and comfortable.

 

[Nada]

Satan is the good guy because through his gift and sacrifice, I am not a mindless drone who drifts through life not even realizing she is naked. Adam and Eve may have thought it was a bad thing once they noticed, but I happen to like it. And what really causes poverty? Is it Satan, or people who have surrendered themselves to be slaves of money, who lusts are so powerful they would take even more to leave others with less without hesitation? Is pestilence really a consequence, or just another fact of biology? Does Satan cause pollution and environmental degradation, or is it a society that has not turned towards God or Satan but towards a green paper god that demands we do whatever it takes for more?
And what is sexual immorality?


Actually, we have resurrected the dead, and we are very close to resurrecting a dead human. But not only that, we are close to being able to transfer the human conscious itself from one vessel to another. We were made, as the Bible says, in the image and likeness of "them," and then we were punished because we became too much like "them."
Whether you call him Satan, or Prometheus, or another name, he suffers eternally so that we may flourish. Your messiah only suffered for us over one weekend so that we can remain his servants.

No....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No....

No, what?

 

[At The Left Hand ov God]

No, what?

No as it doesn't fall under what he believes is right.

Just a guess though.:sarcastic

 

[Adramelek]

Because you might not be granted the power of creation.

What?.....you think to be trusted with greater things?
Show some restraint!

We all have the power of creation it has been infused within our very DNA. Beings who possess the creative fire (Black Flame) of invention, new ideas, music, art, architecture, the sciences and mathematics, etc. You can deny it all you want but you do possess it. And such a gift can never be recalled.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Adramelek]

I'm only human. If I had the power of creation, for some reason I just don't see that turning out very well.

My friend Shadow Wolf, if you had? What makes you think you don't have the power of creation? You play the guitar or bass right? Haven't you ever composed/created a piece of music of your own? Are you not the creator of your own Self? :yes:

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Nada]

No, what?

No Mam? Lol...J/K I mean I do not agree with you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My friend Shadow Wolf, if you had? What makes you think you don't have the power of creation? You play the guitar or bass right? Haven't you ever composed/created a piece of music of your own? Are you not the creator of your own Self? :yes:

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

I was thinking more on the scale of creating a universe, and all the rules and laws the govern it. I'd lose my head it wasn't attached, so I'd hate to see what would happen to its inhabitants because I forgot to include something vital in the plan. On a human scale though, I'd have to say my creativity has been greatly enhanced since claiming it for my own. Although since I have to please myself now I've had to set my standards alot higher than when it was for the glory of god.

 

[Adramelek]

I was thinking more on the scale of creating a universe, and all the rules and laws the govern it. I'd lose my head it wasn't attached, so I'd hate to see what would happen to its inhabitants because I forgot to include something vital in the plan. On a human scale though, I'd have to say my creativity has been greatly enhanced since claiming it for my own. Although since I have to please myself now I've had to set my standards alot higher than when it was for the glory of god.

Ok, I get your point. I for one would not want to be the sole creator of the new universe either. For me, one of the most sacred Satanic/Setian virtues is singular identity. And I, like Set/Satan/Lucifer do not seek to be God. Were I to be the sole party responsible for displacing the cosmos I would be forced to become a new measure of consistency. I would cease to be One for I would become All. Furthermore, a universe created by just one mind would be predictable and boring.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\