Who caused Satan or the devil rebel

[Saint Frankenstein]

And yet you ARE sold on Satan's. How curious. Especially considering that he's the ultimate "cult" leader of them all. Do you really not see your hypocrisy?

We're living in truly fascinating times.

The world isn't run by Satanists. Get over it. Satan has never had many followers and most of them have always wanted human freedom. You're brainwashed by the Abrahamic religions. Satanists do not believe in or venerate the Christian idea of Satan. Their idea of Satan is akin to Prometheus - a heroic figure who struggles against tyranny to liberate humanity from ignorance and enslavement.

 

[Nada]

He caused himself to rebel by wanting to be worshipped and be like God the Almighty.Selfish reasons.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

He caused himself to rebel by wanting to be worshipped and be like God the Almighty.Selfish reasons.

What caused him to want to be worshiped like god?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What caused him to want to be worshiped like god?

James 1:13,14 mentions that each one is drawn out and enticed by his own desire.
When a wrong desire becomes fertile it gives birth to sin. Thus, Satan the Devil turned himself into Satan the Devil. Satan's wrong desire is what caused him to want humans to worship him.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

James 1:13,14 mentions that each one is drawn out and enticed by his own desire.
When a wrong desire becomes fertile it gives birth to sin. Thus, Satan the Devil turned himself into Satan the Devil. Satan's wrong desire is what caused him to want humans to worship him.

But where did his desire come from? Was he made pure or was he made with it innate?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But where did his desire come from? Was he made pure or was he made with it innate?

Since all in heaven and earth are created as free moral agents, then Satan's desire came from within himself. Thinking about a wrong idea. Being created with angelic perfection then his thinking was Not by mistake or accident but on purpose, deliberate.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Since all in heaven and earth are created as free moral agents, then Satan's desire came from within himself. Thinking about a wrong idea. Being created with angelic perfection then his thinking was Not by mistake or accident but on purpose, deliberate.

If it came from within himself does that mean it was innate? He was purposefully created to fall?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But where did his desire come from? Was he made pure or was he made with it innate?

I would say in using just one word Satan's desire came from his own: Pride.
Satan allowed himself to become puffed up with Pride.
God gave Satan an appointed position and Satan allowed undo importance to that position and thus developed the ambition to be worshiped by us.

Satan was created with angelic perfection. The verses of Ezekiel 28 vs 11 to 19 are applied to Satan because he had the position of covering cherub.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If it came from within himself does that mean it was innate? He was purposefully created to fall?

No, Satan [ nor any of human creation ] was created or made to fall.
Adam, created with human perfection, was given the choice to keep or break God's law. So, Satan, and all angelic creation, also had the same choice.
Satan chose to leave his angelic position - see Jude verse 16

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Lucifer believed it is “better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven”. He was blinded by his own light. He didn’t realize he was not the source of his radiance but a reflection of the light. Call it pride, arrogance whatever you like. He is the source of unrest. With pride our work is never finished. We always have to prove ourselves.

Satan [ Lucifer is a made up title Not found in Scripture ] could Never have said it is better to reign in hell because Satan was never in hell and never will be.

There is the teaching of a permanent un-biblical religious-myth hell theory, and then there is the Bible's teaching of a temporary hell or grave.

It was Jesus who went to hell the day Jesus died.
- see Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; Psalm 16 v 10
If biblical hell was a permanent place Jesus would still be in the Bible's hell.

Jesus taught [ Not pain ] but sleep in death [ R.I.P.] at John 11 vs 11-14
Jesus was Not teaching something new because the old Hebrew Scriptures also teach an unconscious sleep-like state at death such as at Ecclesiastes 9 v 5.
The Psalms also agree at Psalms 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4.
The Prophet Daniel also believed there is sleep in death at Daniel 12 vs 2,13

Satan will never reign in a 'hell' because Jesus will destroy Satan.- Hebrews 2 v 14 B
Satan ends up in a symbolic ' second death ' - Revelation 12 v 8 - which happens after everyone in the temporary Bible's hell [ grave ] is ' delivered up ' [ resurrected out of hell ]. See - Rev. 20 vs 13,14, - then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell. Both hell and Satan are destroyed forever.

 

[paarsurrey]

Don't blame God for that.

I did not blame G-d.

Regards

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And yet you ARE sold on Satan's. How curious. Especially considering that he's the ultimate "cult" leader of them all. Do you really not see your hypocrisy?

We're living in truly fascinating times.

Satan does not require conformity to dogma the way the church does. Satan is a figure for those who don't want to be lead. The Christian god though, who demands obedience and compliance, who expects everyone to live up to the same standards and behave the same, fits the description for cult far greater than Satan.

He caused himself to rebel by wanting to be worshipped and be like God the Almighty.Selfish reasons.

That is only one perspective of the story. But many tyrants try to dismiss insurrection in with such trivial terms.

 

[Akivah]

In Judaism, the answers to these questions are clear.

We know who caused Adam and Eve rebelled....the question about Who caused Satan to rebel is rather ignored or silent.

Not so. We know from the book of Job that the satan does his function of tempting people in accordance with G-d's Will.

Also, Adam and Eve disobeyed G-d with their own free will. The satan had nothing to do with it, the angel satan wasn't even in the garden.

The idea of Satan rebelling and being cast down, and now taking the position as an opposition against God is absurd.

I agree. The angel satan is unable to rebel against G-d.

The question arises, can anyone or anything stand before the almighty.

All people will stand before G-d when we die and are judged.

It is my theory that the Satan and his angels are all part of Gods complete design, plan and purpose. Satan is playing his role in Gods plan and purpose.

I agree, except for the part of talking about Satan's angels. Satan is an angel, but doesn't control any other angels.

The problem God has, is not with the role of Satan but the disobedient role of mankind.

This isn't a "problem" for G-d. G-d purposefully created us this way.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Possibly Satan rebelled for one of the oldest reasons on earth: peace and quiet was just too boring

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Also, Adam and Eve disobeyed G-d with their own free will. The satan had nothing to do with it, the angel satan wasn't even in the garden.

I agree. The angel satan is unable to rebel against G-d.

All people will stand before G-d when we die and are judged.

Please notice Ezekiel 28 vs 13-15 showing Satan was the covering cherub in Eden.

Satan and all angels and all humans are free moral agents with the ability to listen to God or disobey God.

When we die we do Not stand. Even the word cemetery means: sleeping place.
The dead are in a sleep-like condition until resurrected.

Some have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven- Rev. 20 v 6; 5 vs 9,10; 2 v 10 - but the majority of mankind - John 3 v 13 - will have a future healthy physical resurrection on earth - Acts 24 v 15 - during Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom reign over earth - Rev. 22 v 2

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Possibly Satan rebelled for one of the oldest reasons on earth: peace and quiet was just too boring

When you do something you enjoy are you bored ?
If violence is what a person needs to not be bored, then one will Not be part of Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom reign over earth because Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill - Micah 4 vs 3,4; Isaiah 11 vs 3,4 - and that does Not mean boring.

 

[At The Left Hand ov God]

When you do something you enjoy are you bored ?
If violence is what a person needs to not be bored, then one will Not be part of Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom reign over earth because Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill - Micah 4 vs 3,4; Isaiah 11 vs 3,4 - and that does Not mean boring.

So stagnation and order? Sounds deathly boring.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So stagnation and order? Sounds deathly boring.

What stagnation?
What do you see stagnant about chapter 35 of Isaiah ?
What is stagnant about Isaiah 65 vs 21 -23 ?
In school is learning stagnant?
Can't we always learn and add of our fund of knowledge without being bored ?
I never tire of being with those I love, not do I tire of favorite foods.

 

[Akivah]

Please notice Ezekiel 28 vs 13-15 showing Satan was the covering cherub in Eden.

Satan and all angels and all humans are free moral agents with the ability to listen to God or disobey God.

When we die we do Not stand. Even the word cemetery means: sleeping place.
The dead are in a sleep-like condition until resurrected.

Note that I prefaced my post by stating it was in accordance with Judaism. The bible verses referenced by you don't mention the satan and aren't even talking about him. The plain reading of this chapter shows that the King of Tyre is the one being talked about in verses 12-19.

Our bodies aren't standing because our bodily shells don't appear before G-d. It is our souls that stand before G-d. As souls don't have physicality, we can say that our souls appear before G-d and don't necessarily have to be a standing position. What is standing to a soul?

 

[At The Left Hand ov God]

What stagnation?
What do you see stagnant about chapter 35 of Isaiah ?
What is stagnant about Isaiah 65 vs 21 -23 ?
In school is learning stagnant?
Can't we always learn and add of our fund of knowledge without being bored ?
I never tire of being with those I love, not do I tire of favorite foods.

Knowledge does not come from a stagnation.