Who made God?

[averageJOE]

Then why do religious people spend so much time telling us what gods are, what they want, who they like, what they don't like, etc.?

On one hand you tell us that we can't even imagine what the gods are, but then you turn right around and tell us who they are and what they do. Do you not see the contradiction?

This is what I wanted to say.^^^
You say "we cannot begin to imagine what god is..." but then say that your god is a living, personal god. God is constantly described to have emotions like love, anger, jealosy, etc. How can you know what a sin is if you can't imagine what god is?

 

[Pegg]

You're contradicting yourself.

If God, despite being "life", does not require a creator himself, then your claim that "life only comes from pre-existing life" is false: in God, we would have a real example of life that did not come from pre-existing life. Just as the premise "all swans are white" is contradicted by a single black swan, the premise "all life requires pre-existing life" is contradicted by a single extant God.

in the context of life on earth...in the argument of evolution vs creation.

This assume that whatever realm beyond the universe that God inhabits is a closed system. How on Earth would you ever go about demonstrating that this is true?

the laws that describe our universe may not even apply beyond it

they obviously dont apply to God or other spirits because they can manipulate all the laws of nature.

 

[Pegg]

Wouldn't this make religion a big snipe hunt, then?

Religion (or at least theistic religion) is all based on purported knowledge of God(s): his/her/their/its nature, plans, likes and dislikes, etc. If we can't know God at all, then doesn't this make all theology a futile endeavour?

the writers of the bible had dealings with God and they explained God in terms of those dealings. By the laws he gave them, they were able to determine his likes and dislikes. Through the prophets, God communicated his feelings on matters. So we can know Gods personality. No one ever saw God for he told them that it was impossible for them to do so...it would mean certain death.

But they did see his miraculous powers, his ability to manipulate our physical laws, the ability to bring life to the dead, or to take life from the living. They came to appreciate his ability to foresee the future and to know the intimate thoughts of a persons heart.

all this made them realise that God is a being of great power...one who inspired awe in them.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

in the context of life on earth...in the argument of evolution vs creation.

But it still doesn't answer anything. It only gets you one step further: invoking God is no different than invoking panspermia: okay... so you say that life came from somewhere off the planet; well, where did that life come from?

the laws that describe our universe may not even apply beyond it

Right... so no amount of inference based on things within our universe could ever support the assertion that this universe needs a creator.

 

[Jose Fly]

No one ever saw God for he told them that it was impossible for them to do so...it would mean certain death.

Why is it that so many Christians barely seem to have read the Bible?

Can God be seen?

 

[Thief]

Then why do religious people spend so much time telling us what gods are, what they want, who they like, what they don't like, etc.?

On one hand you tell us that we can't even imagine what the gods are, but then you turn right around and tell us who they are and what they do. Do you not see the contradiction?

Ever hear someone..anyone...go to it straightforward?

God would be...
bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent, and greatly experienced.

If anyone could boast a greater superlative...then God is not the Almighty.

 

[PolyHedral]

Ever hear someone..anyone...go to it straightforward?

God would be...
bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent, and greatly experienced.

If anyone could boast a greater superlative...then God is not the Almighty.

I, a measly science fiction writer, can conceive of a God bigger, faster, stronger and vastly more intelligent than the one portrayed in the Old Testament. To say it would be "greatly experienced" would be an understatement: as a side-effect of its operation on Earth, it would experience everything.

Interestingly, I don't even have to testably change the way the universe works for my God to fit in. There does not need to be any spirit, angels or devils for an entity completely indistinguishable from what you call "God" to exist.

 

[tarekabdo12]

It has existed for all of time.

It didn't, it had a beginning and will have an end.

 

[tarekabdo12]

What is your evidence for this claim?

Something can't arise from nothing.

 

[outhouse]

Something can't arise from nothing.

isnt that what you think about your god????


ok for a deity

 

[averageJOE]

So your stance is that the first law of thermodynamics explains why god, one with likes and dislikes, human emotions and personality and intentions, and with the ability to communicate with us, and even had a son, doesn't have a creator?

 

[Thief]

I, a measly science fiction writer, can conceive of a God bigger, faster, stronger and vastly more intelligent than the one portrayed in the Old Testament. To say it would be "greatly experienced" would be an understatement: as a side-effect of its operation on Earth, it would experience everything.

Interestingly, I don't even have to testably change the way the universe works for my God to fit in. There does not need to be any spirit, angels or devils for an entity completely indistinguishable from what you call "God" to exist.

So....no spiritual life....even though God exists?

 

[outhouse]

So....no spiritual life....even though God exists?

is that not speculation

and confusion over which god

 

[Thief]

is that not speculation

and confusion over which god

Not for me.

 

[PolyHedral]

So....no spiritual life....even though God exists?

Why would spirit be needed? Everything reduces to information eventually, and the most powerful information processor imaginable was invented in 1945.

Why do you need magic when sufficiently advanced technology is so much easier?

 

[Thief]

Why would spirit be needed? Everything reduces to information eventually, and the most powerful information processor imaginable was invented in 1945.

Why do you need magic when sufficiently advanced technology is so much easier?

From your soap box of non-belief?
and what answer would you accept?

Science is not a trump card.

Taking your calculator into the next life?...going to figure it out with God?

I don't believe in magic.

 

[PolyHedral]

and what answer would you accept?

It'd be nice if you could offer a shred of support for the idea that something beyond chemistry is needed for intelligence.

Science is not a trump card.

It has worked, however slowly, in every circumstance ever encountered. That sounds like a trump card to me.

Taking your calculator into the next life?...going to figure it out with God?

Can we surprise God or not?

I don't believe in magic.

Resurrecting someone, instantly curing disease, multiplying loaves and walking on water all sound like magic to me. I believe they're even in the Dungeons and Dragons spell list.

 

[Thief]

It'd be nice if you could offer a shred of support for the idea that something beyond chemistry is needed for intelligence.

Faith needs no proving.
(trump)


It has worked, however slowly, in every circumstance ever encountered. That sounds like a trump card to me.


Can we surprise God or not?


Resurrecting someone, instantly curing disease, multiplying loaves and walking on water all sound like magic to me. I believe they're even in the Dungeons and Dragons spell list.

Not my list....too many assumptions on your part.

 

[PolyHedral]

Not my list....too many assumptions on your part.

Then list a few. I didn't think I made any assumptions.

 

[Thief]

Then list a few. I didn't think I made any assumptions.

Back to #126

'If' there is God...my list is not an assumption.