Who Or What Is Israel?

[Aupmanyav]

Knowing Elohim/God is Attained through Personal Religious Experience.

My personal religious experience totally rejects existence of God or soul, though I still remain an orthodox Hindu following non-duality.

What is the purpose of the Advaita Philosophy? What are you striving to attain in your Philosophy?

Advaita, as my signature says, is a "no non-sense" philosophy. It has no conflict with science. The purpose of 'advaita' is to abandon superstition and untruth. It requires no grovelling before any God, it is not afraid of such superstitions as heaven, hell, judgment or eternal life. I have attained what I wanted, a clear understanding of life. 'Advaita' never ignores 'dharma' (one's duties - to family, society and country).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It's Impossible to keep the Torah from the Literal Interpretation.

I don't know about literal or figurative being the issue here, but yes, if is impossible to keep the Torah without interpretation.

Here is another example. The Torah states that we are only to eat meat that is slaughtered a certain way. Deuteronomy 12:21 " you may slaughter of your cattle and of your sheep, which the Lord has given you, as I have commanded you," Notice that this verse, although it mentions a way to slaughter that God commanded them, it does not specify what exactly that way was. The "Torah only" person is left hanging, not knowing what to do. It requires an interpretation that is accepted by the entire community for this lawful slaughter to work.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Revelation 21:5

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


That is correct. I don't have any Authority in Traditional Christendom or Judaism because I'm not under the Authority of the Christian Priests/Pastors or Aaronic Priests. The Christian Gnosticism Elohim/God has shown me is Non-Traditional Christian Gnosticism. As I told you before, Elohim/God has given to me a New Thing.

This verse makes the claim that the words of the book of Revelation are true and faithful.
1. It doesn't apply to any other book than Revelation
2. The fact that it makes this claim does not make it so. For example, the Quran also makes the claim to be the word of God, yet I bet you do not accept that claim.

None of this has ANY relevance to the question at hand, which is whether YOU have the Authority to determine what religious texts are the word of God. You are not the authority for Christianity. You are not the authority for Judaism. Now, if you want to admit that you follow a unique and special religion that you yourself made up, sure you can make yourself the authority of THAT religion. Is that what you are claiming: Is that what you mean when you say "God has given me a new thing"? Cuz I mean if you are placing yourself on par with Moses or Jesus, while that would be scandalously arrogant, at least your claim to authority would make sense.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Jeremiah 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


Therefore, given that you admit that Aaronic Priests are Not Infallible, can you Identify when Aaronic Priests are making False Proclamations from their Evil Heart? There are False Aaronic Priest like you have False Roman Catholic Pedophile Priests.

I think that when men make honest mistakes, they are not evil.

For example, you make many mistakes, but I do not think of you as evil.

Nor do I think that making mistakes makes one a false Aaronic priest or false Catholic priest. These offices do not require infallibility.

It is difficult for me not to wonder where your intense hatred comes from.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

From a Spiritual Perspective you are Not Really Israel given that Israel is Defined by the Devoted Religious to Elohim/God.

We've been through this before. Israel is defined as that tribal people who have descended from the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, made up of those individuals who either have a Jewish mom, or (in rare cases) are adopted into the People via a formal conversion to Judaism.

You need to be a better listener.

 

[Ebionite]

History of israel is easy. UN res 181 was the beginning of the state. Balfour letter did not start a state.

A state is not the same thing as a group of people.

Hertzl's jewish state did not require palestine. It could have been anywhere. Judaism can exist and be practiced anywhere. It's a religion not a state.

No, Judaism has covenants that relate to the middle east.

Gibberish

It's about the prophetic texts relating to the crucifixion. Interpretation requires knowledge of the context.

Lots of people talk and use words.

The point is that you are wrong about the history if the people of Israel. There are a number of clues which connect the diaspora to England.

King al is Not relevant for a country to be great.

The point is the King Alfred's dooms relate to the covenant of Moses. Also "British" means covenant male in Hebrew (bryt eysh).

What?

And ye shall be holy unto me: for I YHWH [am] holy, and have severed you from [other] people, that ye should be mine.
Leviticus 20:26

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Hertzl's jewish state did not require palestine.

Hertzl felt that way, but he was overruled by everyone else. The simple truth is, that we Jews have historical connection to our homeland in the middle east. We have no connection to Bolivia or France or Canada. Palestine was the only option that made any sense.

 

[Bthoth]

A state is not the same thing as a group of people.

I agree.. fact is,, israel did not exist before 1947.

No, Judaism has covenants that relate to the middle east.

Lots of covenants ..... keeping the commandments supersedes all

It's about the prophetic texts relating to the crucifixion. Interpretation requires knowledge of the context.

Cruscifixion is not what makes a messiah or christ

The point is that you are wrong about the history if the people of Israel. There are a number of clues which connect the diaspora to England.

many diaspora of people throughout history. No such thing as an israel before 1947

The point is the King Alfred's dooms relate to the covenant of Moses. Also "British" means covenant male in Hebrew (bryt eysh).

see... lot's of convenant opinions.......... The commandments as claimed to be by moses, supersede any.

And ye shall be holy unto me: for I YHWH [am] holy, and have severed you from [other] people, that ye should be mine.
Leviticus 20:26

I know: 22 “‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.

About exactly what i said; follow the fricken rules!


See that Lev 20: 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


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I dont have such a problem but for a holy land, as you believe is special to god. Apparently the people of israel, not the jews but the people of israel are not quite what you have been led to believe.

Do you actually believe the narrative from israel before making sure and checking real world before accepting opinion?

 

[Ebionite]

I agree.. fact is,, israel did not exist before 1947.

No, the people of Israel existed before then. "King of Israel" is found in the Tel Dan stele.

The Tel Dan Inscription: The First Historical Evidence of King David from the Bible

Few modern discoveries have caused as much excitement as the Tel Dan inscription that furnished the first historical evidence of King David.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

 

[Elihoenai]

Yes.

Are you Jewish by parental heritage or a gentile convert to Judaism/Jewish? What branch of Judaism do you practice?

 

[Elihoenai]

My personal religious experience totally rejects existence of God or soul, though I still remain an orthodox Hindu following non-duality.

Therefore, your Religion is Natural Religion. At the fundamental level your religion is the same as Christianity, Islam and Judaism. You see Nature as the Highest Form of Existence.

Advaita, as my signature says, is a "no non-sense" philosophy. It has no conflict with science. The purpose of 'advaita' is to abandon superstition and untruth. It requires no grovelling before any God, it is not afraid of such superstitions as heaven, hell, judgment or eternal life. I have attained what I wanted, a clear understanding of life. 'Advaita' never ignores 'dharma' (one's duties - to family, society and country).

How do you practice your Religion in your daily life?

 

[Elihoenai]

I don't know about literal or figurative being the issue here, but yes, if is impossible to keep the Torah without interpretation.

Exodus 12:3

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:


None of the practitioners of Judaism are literally taking a whole Living Lamb for their house and keeping it for 4 days before slaughtering. It is Commanded in Exodus 12 that each house must have Whole Living Lamb to slaughter.

Here is another example. The Torah states that we are only to eat meat that is slaughtered a certain way. Deuteronomy 12:21 " you may slaughter of your cattle and of your sheep, which the Lord has given you, as I have commanded you," Notice that this verse, although it mentions a way to slaughter that God commanded them, it does not specify what exactly that way was. The "Torah only" person is left hanging, not knowing what to do. It requires an interpretation that is accepted by the entire community for this lawful slaughter to work.

And you depend on the Priests and Teachers to provide the correct Interpretation.

 

[Elihoenai]

This verse makes the claim that the words of the book of Revelation are true and faithful.
1. It doesn't apply to any other book than Revelation
2. The fact that it makes this claim does not make it so. For example, the Quran also makes the claim to be the word of God, yet I bet you do not accept that claim.

1. The Holy Scriptures/Bible is from Genesis to Revelation. The Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole. The Bible from Genesis to Revelation is the Christians Holy Book.

2. Yes, the Quran/Koran is the Word of Elohim/God. Elohim/God Created All the Religions and Wrote All the Religious Holy Books. All Words Written are Elohim's/God's Words.

None of this has ANY relevance to the question at hand, which is whether YOU have the Authority to determine what religious texts are the word of God. You are not the authority for Christianity. You are not the authority for Judaism. Now, if you want to admit that you follow a unique and special religion that you yourself made up, sure you can make yourself the authority of THAT religion. Is that what you are claiming: Is that what you mean when you say "God has given me a new thing"? Cuz I mean if you are placing yourself on par with Moses or Jesus, while that would be scandalously arrogant, at least your claim to authority would make sense.

Now you are getting to Understand what Christian Gnosticism Is. The Practitioners of Christian Gnosticism Becomes Yeshua/Jesus and Becomes Moses in the Journey to Elohim/God Unification.

 

[Elihoenai]

I think that when men make honest mistakes, they are not evil.

For example, you make many mistakes, but I do not think of you as evil.

Nor do I think that making mistakes makes one a false Aaronic priest or false Catholic priest. These offices do not require infallibility.

It is difficult for me not to wonder where your intense hatred comes from.

Psalm 139:21-22

21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.


It's not about honest mistakes. *Staff Edit* Priests/Teachers practicing Pedophilia are Inverted Cross Practitioners.


Rabbi Exposes Child Molesters in Orthodox Jewish Community

My Intense Hatred comes from Hatred of Evil. I'm Practising Perfect Hatred. Every person that Sins is Evil. Some people are more Evil than others.

 

[Elihoenai]

We've been through this before. Israel is defined as that tribal people who have descended from the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, made up of those individuals who either have a Jewish mom, or (in rare cases) are adopted into the People via a formal conversion to Judaism.

You need to be a better listener.

Maybe you should listen to your own advice and listen to me. From my perspective Israel is Defined and Created through the Spiritual Relationship with Elohim/God. Without the Practice of the Religion there is no Relationship with the Elohim/God of Israel. From your Earthly perspective Israel can be still be Israel Without Practising the Religion of the God of Israel.

 

[rosends]

Are you Jewish by parental heritage or a gentile convert to Judaism/Jewish? What branch of Judaism do you practice?

I'm Jewish by birth and an orthodox Jew by education.

 

[Aupmanyav]

At the fundamental level your religion is the same as Christianity, Islam and Judaism. You see Nature as the Highest Form of Existence.
How do you practice your Religion in your daily life?

I wish they might not have added unnecessary things to the 'natural religion'. God/soul/prophets/sons/messengers are unnecessary.
What is there to practice? Live and let live. That is about all.

 

[Bthoth]

Hertzl felt that way, but he was overruled by everyone else. The simple truth is, that we Jews have historical connection to our homeland in the middle east. We have no connection to Bolivia or France or Canada. Palestine was the only option that made any sense.

How could it make sense, if the irgun had to terrorize british interests just to end the mandate, and now oppressing millions. Fencing the down town streets to maintain apartheid

No, the people of Israel existed before then. "King of Israel" is found in the Tel Dan stele.

The Tel Dan Inscription: The First Historical Evidence of King David from the Bible

Few modern discoveries have caused as much excitement as the Tel Dan inscription that furnished the first historical evidence of King David.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

Now that is far reaching to suggest that tablet was talking about israel or David let alone Hebrew (a language). The world does not wrap about biblical accounts except to the biased begging to be accepted.

Note the references are from people that live in the premise of compliance, to a specific narrative. That is what ruined the credibility.

 

[Ebionite]

Now that is far reaching to suggest that tablet was talking about israel or David

Not at all, it literally says "king of Israel" in Aramaic.

 

[Bthoth]

Not at all, it literally says "king of Israel" in Aramaic.

no such thing as an israel 900 bce.

it is weird that religious zealots take words to mean israel from a time period before the torah was even written.