Even if it did, that would not substantiate your narrative.
I am just observing where mistake can exist and the first, is your acceptance as absolute.
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Who Or What Is Israel?
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I am just observing where mistake can exist and the first, is your acceptance as absolute.
Ebionite
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You have no explanation for the facts, ie. you don't know what you're talking about.
The Torah was written before the Jewish state was described by Herzl. Religious zealotry has nothing to do with it.
Ebionite
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It substantiates it because the stele names kings of Israel.
Of course, you and your opinion rules as long as you have some form of made up rational
Torah was about 600 BCE. Jacob was claimed to exist around 1800 BCE. Can you count how long between them periods?
And I will bet that you do not even know the favorite color of your Grand parents.
Ebionite
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The facts about the Tel Dan stele are not a matter of opinion.
No, Torah was known by Abraham, although not in a written form.
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Genesis 26:5
No it does not say ISRAEL. Lots of kings in the region.
Every point of a name that is claimed to be israel is missing from the tablet
Is your whole life about living on missing facts?
Sure it is, there is no name representing an israel/hebrew or david. Each part leading to that is inferred but specifically missing from the tablet.
Again, you have zero evidence and yet willing to make such a statement (false witness of truth)
You just crossed yourself up. You said, "Torah was known by Abraham, "
So he knew his own narrative Gen 26:5 before it happened.
Ebionite
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- and my father lay down, he went to his [ancestors (viz. became sick and died)]. And the king of I[s-]
- rel entered previously in my father's land, [and] Hadad made me king,
Although bytdwd in the Aramaic stele of Tel Dan may be understood as 'the House of David', alternative meanings are also possible.
Except for the evidence that you ignored, as usual.
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Genesis 26:5
You don't know what you're talking about. There's no reason to thing that the book of Genesis was written by Abraham.
Possible.........may be. I can accept that. That the interpretations are open, not fact, as you profess.
Not ignored, observed and left OPEN!
The importance; the commandments, rules! 100% agree!
I know...... the hebrew language did not even exist back then. Just as genesis DID NOT exist back then, so using the claim that abraham keep the torah per the script that you used, exposes the fault ... error of your narrative.
About like your use of the tablets to claim israel while you know personally that the tablets DID NOT have the names on the them. The material was not on the tablet, no matter the language interpretation.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Fact and interpretation are obviously different things.
Agreed. Can't use a stone tablet that is evidence, and make up an interpretation to fit a belief. That's corrupt and never leads to fact.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Palestine made sense because, as I already said, it was our ancestral homeland. What exactly about that is so difficult for you to understand that you would reply as you did above?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Why should I listen to you? Are you a rabbi who spent years in school learning to be an expert in Jewish law?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Oh, I thought we were talking about teachings that were incorrect, but now you want to bring up sinning, which is a different topic.
Jews sin, same as everyone else. I sin. You sin. We all sin. Some Jews are good. Some Jews are bad. Same as everyone else. Some Rabbis are good, some rabbis are bad, same as everyone else.
When you have a point that is significant, let me know.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Based on religious opinion or perhaps just rabbid interpretation?
Because the fact is, the world is our homeland.
Because if it requires such inhumane acts to achieve, it's not worth it. In other words, if a person has to participate in inhumane acts and self imposed inequity, then it's not going to be good for the mind or humanity.
I meant 'than' listen to me.
i have been witnessing the damage that so many rabbid preachers have done, so please do not use that angle as relevant.
Keeping the rules (commandments should be self imposed and self observant of the quality rational).
No one should have to tell you why they are good.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
First of all, not everyone accepts the Bible as sacred text. I, for example, do not accept the New Testament. Your belief in the Bible is just that -- a religious belief based on faith and not evidence.
Second, Christians do not agree on which books are in the Bible. The shortest canon is that of Protestants. Catholics have a somewhat larger canon. Then come the Eastern Orthodox, whose OT contains the entire Septuagint. And then finally comes the Ethiopian church, whose Bible contains books not even in the Septuagint such as Enoch.
My apologies, I did not know you were Muslim.
Are there any other sacred texts you consider to be the word of God? The Vedas? The Talmud? The Tao Te Ching?
My second point in the earlier post was that the fact a text claims to be the word of God does not necessarily make it so. That point stands. To use the text to prove the text is a logical fallacy called circular reasoning.
I'm not sure why you are changing the subject. Christian Gnosticism died out long ago. They believe for example that matter is bad and only spirit is good, and that a person is saved by having esoteric knowledge. Today, you can find miscellaneous people who agree with bits and pieces of Gnosticism, but the original movement is long gone. So... why did you change the subject?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Of course. Because there is no temple at the present moment, and it is UNLAWFUL to make a sacrifice anywhere but at the temple.
Absolutely, just as God commanded in Deuteronomy 17:8-13.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It makes no difference. A Jew is a Jew. In fact, in Jewish law, it is unlawful to even ask if a person is a convert.