muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Oh yeah
A few important decisions to make before getting there though, in reality.. nobody likes the 'work bit', but are happy with the 'enjoy/consume' bit
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Whose 'logic' is it anyway?
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Oh yeah
A few important decisions to make before getting there though, in reality.. nobody likes the 'work bit', but are happy with the 'enjoy/consume' bit
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Oh yeah
A few important decisions to make before getting there though, in reality.. nobody likes the 'work bit', but are happy with the 'enjoy/consume' bit
Why would it be required to work?
EDIT: And how are these things in the link related to 'work'?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Delegate the work to the things who enjoy it. ...Those don't exist? Then build them.Oh yeah
A few important decisions to make before getting there though, in reality.. nobody likes the 'work bit', but are happy with the 'enjoy/consume' bit
We can't live by logic alone- sometimes feelings are all we have.
Agreed! But we cannot ignore logic at the same time.
It's part of the problem of evil... i.e. the thing we're talking about. A non-omnipotent god isn't subject to the problem of evil.
I'm not answering your questions here until you answer the one I gave you before: is there free will in Heaven?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You're very demanding .. depends what you mean by 'free-will' ..
also .. I'm not a Divine authority, so I could answer simply that I don't know .. the same as you'd have to answer about whether there's 'a god' or not..
However, if you want my opinion, the answer's yes! We will be free to choose .. but as there has already been some separation of souls, and a few other differences with this worldly life, evil will not predominate .. it wouldn't be heaven otherwise, would it
I don't know the exact origin of our souls
ie. where they come from, or what 'they're made of' etc. .. I wouldn't expect to know everything which is 'hidden' from us .. if I did, I'd have a nervous breakdown .. we mortals can only spiritually progress at a slow pace .. it's not just our bodies which are vulnerable!
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Well, cracking the fundamental structure of the universe within 300 years doesn't seem to have done us too much harm. Also, someone's been reading too much Lovecraft.it's not just our bodies which are vulnerable!
Koldo
Outstanding Member
However, if you want my opinion, the answer's yes! We will be free to choose .. but as there has already been some separation of souls, and a few other differences with this worldly life, evil will not predominate .. it wouldn't be heaven otherwise, would it
If free will is the attribute that allows evil to exist, and considering there is still free will on heavens, why isn't there evil on heavens?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I've already explained .. there has been a separation of souls .. not all will enter heaven..
You can't purify a soul which refuses guidance, but a soul who has chosen to be purified can be
So .. what do I mean by that? I mean that those who choose righteousness will eventually become "close to God" ie. like Him ..
whereas those who deny, turn away and either can never reach heaven, or it might take a long, long time..
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
I've already explained .. there has been a separation of souls .. not all will enter heaven..
You can't purify a soul which refuses guidance, but a soul who has chosen to be purified can be
So .. what do I mean by that? I mean that those who choose righteousness will eventually become "close to God" ie. like Him ..
whereas those who deny, turn away and either can never reach heaven, or it might take a long, long time..
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So, a soul once purified can't commit evil anymore? Doesn't it mean the soul doesn't possess free will anymore?
Also, do you mean to say God can't purify a soul which refuses guidance?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Throwing my two cents on the way by....from another topic...
I quote myself.
Proving the existence of God?....
There will no photograph...no fingerprint...no experiment...no equation.
What ever you think about God....you just have to make up your mind.
Try considering origin.
Then decide which came first....spirit or substance.
The decision while have consequence.
Say Nay....and you are the sum of your chemistry and death is the end for you.
Say Yeah...and you might continue onward.
Some believe in life after death.
I quote myself.
Proving the existence of God?....
There will no photograph...no fingerprint...no experiment...no equation.
What ever you think about God....you just have to make up your mind.
Try considering origin.
Then decide which came first....spirit or substance.
The decision while have consequence.
Say Nay....and you are the sum of your chemistry and death is the end for you.
Say Yeah...and you might continue onward.
Some believe in life after death.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
And some believe they are Napoleon Bonaparte.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
It's all relative .. we will never "become God" .. speaking for myself, that is
As I've previously said, the fact that God can do anything doesn't include the logically impossible.
I don't know the precise nature of our souls, and so you will have to wait and see what "God can do & can't do"
Koldo
Outstanding Member
It's all relative .. we will never "become God" .. speaking for myself, that is
What is relative? Not being able to commit evil?
What is the justification for the existance of evil on heavens?
Yes, but that is not logically impossible.
There is no logical contradiction in purifying someone who doesn't want guidance.
I don't know the precise nature of our souls, and so you will have to wait and see what "God can do & can't do"
Isn't this the same as saying that you don't really know whether God is omnipotent?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Like I say, we don't know the full nature of the human soul..
I've given you my opinion .. and you've given me yours
PS. I can't 'purify' your soul by bringing you closer to God .. that's between you & God
How can God logically purify your soul if you refuse Him, without making you into a 'zombie' ?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
It's comparatively easy to convince you to want to be purified. You're only human, after all.