Why are Indians not more outspoken more about racism in India?

[Revoltingest]

I did not misunderstand what you said I know exactly what you mean.

I gave a direct answer to the thread's titular question.
You ignored it, but objected to something of your own invention.
Such determination to infer what you want, instead of what I intend.

 

[Kirran]

Then first stop black Americans from uploading strange YT videos like the one I shared. Later you can persuade the media to stop stereotyping blacks.

An astonishing 2.2 million of those 44 million blacks are in jail. How do you explain that statistics?

Do you not see it as racist to think that it is fair enough to stereotype an entire group because of some people who belong to it putting up videos you find strange? If a few Indians put up videos that someone finds strange, would it then be reasonable enough to negatively stereotype all Indians?

As for the high rates of incarceration of the African-American population, there's a long history of social causes leading to that, none of which justify racial stereotyping.

 

[Amani_Bhava]

Do you not see it as racist to think that it is fair enough to stereotype an entire group because of some people who belong to it putting up videos you find strange? If a few Indians put up videos that someone finds strange, would it then be reasonable enough to negatively stereotype all Indians?

As for the high rates of incarceration of the African-American population, there's a long history of social causes leading to that, none of which justify racial stereotyping.

I see it as racist

But those Indians in USA who behave in such a racist manner have a point. I see that too.

I cannot but add .,. when it comes to African Americans there always is a long history of everything .. why they do not have books to why they are in jail .. there is even a theory that they have hypertension because only those blacks who had salty sweat were shipped out to US as slaves.

I am sorry but rest of the world does not buy it.

I do not believe in this conspiracy against blacks .. At one time long, long ago they were disadvantaged .. not from 1980 or so.

Call it compassion fatigue.


namaste

A_B

 

[Wu Wei]

The caste system is a problem but racism is as well....

Sure, I've seen some (and I say some as in one person) speak about the caste system but never really come out and speak about it en masse. To the credit of some grass roots movements there have been some that speak about the nature of the caste system as a colonial effort that has infected India. For the many faiths that exist there who believe in love and respect for all, people are sure slow to foot on getting rid of racism and the caste system. I'm more so disturbed that a people who has brown skin like me can refer to others who are liked brown skin in a pejorative manner. Mahatma Ghandi for example a revered leader, thought bad about south Africans:

"According to the book, Gandhi described black Africans as “savage,” “raw” and living a life of “indolence and nakedness,” and he campaigned relentlessly to prove to the British rulers that the Indian community in South Africa was superior to native black Africans."

What did Mahatma Gandhi think of black people?

More about Ghandi:

"In 1904, he wrote to a health officer in Johannesburg that the council "must withdraw Kaffirs" from an unsanitary slum called the "Coolie Location" where a large number of Africans lived alongside Indians. "About the mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly."

Interesting as a Hindu patriarch he believed this way...I'm curious what other Hindus think about this considering he is a leader.

Why just racism and the cast system (which is over 3000 years old and ever so slowly going away)...what about sexism and the treatment of women in India, why was that not mentioned?

 

[Vinayaka]

Indians doing well in America has more to do with US immigration policy than anything else. It's brain drain for the countries of emigration.

 

[Amani_Bhava]

Why just racism and the cast system (which is over 3000 years old and ever so slowly going away)...what about sexism and the treatment of women in India, why was that not mentioned?

Why this sudden love for India .. why not discuss China or Saudi Arabia .. or Brunei or Japan (where child porn was legal till 2014)

India is a far from perfect country. But why does it suddenly merit so much attention? We are no more racist (or sexist) than Chinese or Saudis or ......

This is now getting to be meaningless .. and I exit this discussion


namaste

A_B

 

[Curious George]

Completely untrue. We owe nothing to blacks and have nothing to learn from them. We mirror the Jews and that is what we aspire to become - the most powerful minority in US.

namaste

A_B

That might have more weight if all minorities, and I would say all people, in the u.s. did not owe a debt to black American progressives that fought throughout American history.

 

[Revoltingest]

That might have more weight if all minorities, and I would say all people, in the u.s. did not owe a debt to black American progressives that fought through ought American history.

"Throughout".
Apologies....my inner pedant demanded that I post this.

 

[Kirran]

I see it as racist

But those Indians who behave in such a racist manner have a point. I see that too.

I cannot but add .,. when it comes to African Americans there always is a long history of everything .. why they do not have books to why they are in jail .. there is even a theory that they have hypertension because only those blacks who had salty sweat were shipped out to US as slaves.

I am sorry but rest of the world does not buy it.

I do not believe in this conspiracy against blacks .. not from 1980 or so.

Call it compassion fatigue.


namaste

A_B

Thinking that anyone who behaves in a racist manner has a point is agreeing with racism.

OK, so if you don't buy it, what is your alternative explanation for high incarceration and widespread health problems and so on in the African-American population, relative to the overall American population?

Why this sudden love for India .. why not discuss China or Saudi Arabia .. or Brunei or Japan (where child porn was legal till 2014)

India is a far from perfect country. But why does it suddenly merit so much attention? We are no more racist (or sexist) than Chinese or Saudis or ......

This is now getting to be meaningless .. and I exit this discussion


namaste

A_B

Sometimes we discuss other countries. Usually the USA. But on this particular occasion, we have a thread about India.

 

[Curious George]

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

For the record, the civil rights movement was a major influence in abolishing discriminatory immigration policies.

 

[Curious George]

"Throughout".
Apologies....my inner pedant demanded that I post this.

Yeah, thank you. I swear I wrote it without the space and I have no idea how ought got in there. I blame autocorrect.

 

[Wu Wei]

"Throughout".
Apologies....my inner pedant demanded that I post this.

Sure, you're polite here, if I did that you would be inferring I was of low intelligence.....

 

[Amani_Bhava]

Thinking that anyone who behaves in a racist manner has a point is agreeing with racism.

Okay I am a racist. Anything more?

OK, so if you don't buy it, what is your alternative explanation for high incarceration and widespread health problems and so on in the African-American population, relative to the overall American population?

I think time has come for blacks to engage in major introspection. Compared to Sidney Poitier's and Gen Colin Powell's era modern day African Americans have a lot more. They should capitalise on the opportunities.

What’s Holding Blacks Back? It’s black attitudes, not white racism, that’s to blame.
What’s Holding Blacks Back?

namaste

A_B

Edit Add - This is really my last post in this thread. It has run its course and I have presented whatever points I wanted to share. Further discussion is meaningless exchange of words.

 

[Kirran]

I think time has come for blacks to engage in major introspection. Compared to Sidney Poitier's and Gen Colin Powell's era modern day African Americans have a lot more. They should capitalise on the opportunities.

What’s Holding Blacks Back? It’s black attitudes, not white racism, that’s to blame.
What’s Holding Blacks Back?

Not a lot of people out there are saying there aren't problems within the African-American community. @Epic Beard Man has commented in this very thread on there being issues within the community. But it's easy to say OK, fine, blacks have got issues so their problems are their own fault. However, there is still very real racism within the USA, as throughout the world. In the USA racism remains thoroughly institutionalised, although there are no doubt admirable changes going on within American society. Racism comes into a lot of the American legal system, more than meets the eye. In particular, the history of drug laws in the USA is heavily related to views on which groups were doing which drugs and stereotypes about those groups. And also, where do issues prevalent in black communities come from? Of what are they the legacy?

 

[Jumi]

Call it compassion fatigue.

So some angry mobs killing of innocent African students going to study in Indian schools/universities isn't something you feel anything about? If mob justice killing innocents was a thing in my country I would be more than worried, I'd be angry.

 

[Amani_Bhava]

So some angry mobs killing of innocent African students going to study in Indian schools/universities isn't something you feel anything about? If mob justice killing innocents was a thing in my country I would be more than worried, I'd be angry.

That was comment about American Blacks and their supposed plight.

Has any black student been killed in India. Not as far as I know. For racism directed at them I am deeply sorry and those mentally retarded Indians who commit such crimes target likes of me too ..

read previous post last paragraph
Why are Indians not more outspoken more about racism in India?

namaste

A_B

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, thank you. I swear I wrote it without the space and I have no idea how ought got in there. I blame autocorrect.

You should see some of the bone headed constructions my brain invents.
I catch many (not all) when reviewing posts.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure, you're polite here, if I did that you would be inferring I was of low intelligence.....

Although for a bear, you're highly intelligent.
In the jumbo pickanick basket range.

 

[sayak83]

That might have more weight if all minorities, and I would say all people, in the u.s. did not owe a debt to black American progressives that fought throughout American history.

That makes no sense. Indians are known worldwide to make the best of whatever opportunities that are available. And where they exist in significant numbers, they organize for their rights before anyone else. South African case is notable here.

Poverty-level of Indian-origin people in S Africa decreases

The poverty level of Indian-origin people in South Africa has consistently decreased over the past two decades from almost 21 per cent to under six per cent, according to official data released on Tuesday. The South African-Indian community, with about 1.4-million people, are not far behind from their white counterparts, who enjoyed special privileges in the apartheid era and have a poverty rate of just one per cent.

Coloured (mixed race) and the majority black Africans are lagging way behind with 41 and 61 per cent respectively, latest results from Statistics South Africa (SSA) show.


Same in Britain.
British Indians best off among minority ethnic groups: report

And this is not only true for Western countries, but also for countries in the Arab peninsula.
Indians working in GCC countries are a happy lot: Survey

2.8 million workers and $13 bn: the story of Indian migrants to the UAE


The ability of Indians to migrate and excel everywhere is a cultural trait and not due to anything that has happened in US at all.

 

[Curious George]

That makes no sense. Indians are known worldwide to make the best of whatever opportunities that are available. And where they exist in significant numbers, they organize for their rights before anyone else. South African case is notable here.

Poverty-level of Indian-origin people in S Africa decreases

The poverty level of Indian-origin people in South Africa has consistently decreased over the past two decades from almost 21 per cent to under six per cent, according to official data released on Tuesday. The South African-Indian community, with about 1.4-million people, are not far behind from their white counterparts, who enjoyed special privileges in the apartheid era and have a poverty rate of just one per cent.

Coloured (mixed race) and the majority black Africans are lagging way behind with 41 and 61 per cent respectively, latest results from Statistics South Africa (SSA) show.


Same in Britain.
British Indians best off among minority ethnic groups: report

And this is not only true for Western countries, but also for countries in the Arab peninsula.
Indians working in GCC countries are a happy lot: Survey

2.8 million workers and $13 bn: the story of Indian migrants to the UAE


The ability of Indians to migrate and excel everywhere is a cultural trait and not due to anything that has happened in US at all.

I wasn't talking about everywhere. I was talking about the U.S. specifically.