Why are there still Monkeys?

[idav]

OMG.

Nature is created, the creator is supernatural.

We'll never understand what beyond the nature and we can't compare the creator to what was created, it is like comparing the door to the carpenter.

You can yell that at the highest mountain but these are faith based statements. Amounting to "we cant understand it cause its magic". That is really the theists ultimate answer? Please dont asume to speak for all theists, very please.

 

[idav]

It seems more likely for you and for your fellow atheists but that doesn't make it to be a fact just because you only believe it to be so.

So many theists have come to terms with the overwhelming evidence that is evolution. Evolution is much more fact that any religious faith based theology.

 

[FearGod]

You can yell that at the highest mountain but these are faith based statements. Amounting to "we cant understand it cause its magic". That is really the theists ultimate answer? Please dont asume to speak for all theists, very please.

Where is the magic in saying that there is a creator for this universe ?

Your hypothesis that nothing created the universe, so you are the one speaking about magic.

 

[FearGod]

So many theists have come to terms with the overwhelming evidence that is evolution. Evolution is much more fact that any religious faith based theology.

Again evolution.

 

[idav]

Where is the magic in saying that there is a creator for this universe ?

Your hypothesis that nothing created the universe, so you are the one speaking about magic.

The magic is invoking supernatural. Supernatural just is natural that we are still understanding.

I never said "nothing" creates anything, we have been over this. God can be natural and existent as an observable phenomenon. I will not just pressume its out of our reach as if some fairytale land that is anti-science.

I pressume a something just I like any theist, I pressume a natural something, why is that so inconceivable.

 

[idav]

Again evolution.

Ignore the evidence all you want, you just make your theology look archaic in need of severe revamping.

 

[Mycroft]

What was before evolution ?
Where did life come from ?

Before evolution? atoms, molecules, single cells. Evolution only began once amino-acids arrived on Earth via asteroids.

No life can exist within the singularity, so from the starting point life didn't exist, then how you explain it in scientific manner.

It is still under investigation. But at least we are investigating it, rather than resorting to willful ignorance and superstition that has no evidence whatsoever and never will. We're not afraid to say 'we don't know yet' but saying that does not mean a creator was necessarily responsible. That seems to be your problem, an unwillingness to simply be responsible and say 'I don't know.'

Crack open a chicken's egg. What do you find there. You don't find life, simply soup. Can you explain how this soup becomes a chick in scientific terms?.

What is your evidence that the creator wasn't behind abiogenesis.

Sorry, but the burden of proof is upon you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[FearGod]

The magic is invoking supernatural. Supernatural just is natural that we are still understanding.

I never said "nothing" creates anything, we have been over this. God can be natural and existent as an observable phenomenon. I will not just pressume its out of our reach as if some fairytale land that is anti-science.

I pressume a something just I like any theist, I pressume a natural something, why is that so inconceivable.

Do you call singularity as a natural thing.

A zero volume and infinite density is very well understood for you.:sarcastic

 

[FearGod]

Ignore the evidence all you want, you just make your theology look archaic in need of severe revamping.

Who ignored the evidence of evolution.

I believe that it was preplanned by the creator whereas you believe it happened because it happened.

 

[idav]

Do you call singularity as a natural thing.

A zero volume and infinite density is very well understood for you.:sarcastic

So you call the singularity supernatural magic.

No, but what I am not going to do is invoke supernatural as if it can never be cracked. As if science will never give us a clue when science is the only thing that has.

 

[FearGod]

Before evolution? atoms, molecules, single cells. Evolution only began once amino-acids arrived on Earth via asteroids.



It is still under investigation. But at least we are investigating it, rather than resorting to willful ignorance and superstition that has no evidence whatsoever and never will. We're not afraid to say 'we don't know yet' but saying that does not mean a creator was necessarily responsible. That seems to be your problem, an unwillingness to simply be responsible and say 'I don't know.'

Crack open a chicken's egg. What do you find there. You don't find life, simply soup. Can you explain how this soup becomes a chick in scientific terms?.

Sorry, but the burden of proof is upon you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The end of it and according to your belief that it can be anything but not God.

 

[idav]

Who ignored the evidence of evolution.

I believe that it was preplanned by the creator whereas you believe it happened because it happened.

Your trying to put words in my mouth again. Evolution is about what the evidence tells us, that we have common ancestors with all living beings. Randomness vs determinism has nothing to do with it. If you care I believe neither determinism or randomness, its nonsense.

The religious and science seem to agree that all humans come from common decent. More accurately it is a common ancestor. Science has found we must take it further, that all life is of one common ancestor because there is such a huge timeline to deal with which cannot be ignored and swept under the rug.

 

[FearGod]

So you call the singularity supernatural magic.

No, but what I am not going to do is invoke supernatural as if it can never be cracked. As if science will never give us a clue when science is the only thing that has.

When i say there is a creator for this universe that doesn't mean magic but only for you it looks magic.

Can't you see how amazing that the sperm and the egg becomes a human being,
i don't call it magic but as an amazing thing that already preplanned and designed by the creator to happen.

 

[idav]

The end of it and according to your belief that it can be anything but not God.

Unless they are agnostic so you are just generalizing and doesnt work, but what does that have to do with evolution. Theists say it has to be god so the theist limited their answers while atheists and agnostics are open to options without the preconceived notion that only god can be the answer.

 

[McBell]

I like Genesis just the way it is.
Works for me.

I'm not surprised I am one of the few that understand.

soooooooo many stubborn people!
soooooooo many who nod their heads blindly!

but I'm nobody's savior.
I simply have a different perspective.

You can say 'nay'.....all that you care to.

Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.

 

[Mycroft]

Who ignored the evidence of evolution.

I believe that it was preplanned by the creator whereas you believe it happened because it happened.

I don't believe anything. I consider the evidence and go in that direction. Belief is your value system, not mine. Stop projecting it.

 

[FearGod]

Your trying to put words in my mouth again. Evolution is about what the evidence tells us, that we have common ancestors with all living beings. Randomness vs determinism has nothing to do with it. If you care I believe neither determinism or randomness, its nonsense.

The religious and science seem to agree that all humans come from common decent. More accurately it is a common ancestor. Science has found we must take it further, that all life is of one common ancestor because there is such a huge timeline to deal with which cannot be ignored and swept under the rug.

The scripture agree with this.

Your Lord is Free of all wants; (He is) the Lord of Mercy. If He wants, He can wipe you out, and have another people _ whomever He wants _ succeed you, just as He raised you from the genes of a different nation. (6:133)

 

[Mycroft]

The end of it and according to your belief that it can be anything but not God.

You failed to address the egg situation. Please describe to us, in purely scientific terms, how the lifeless soup of the egg becomes a chick.

 

[idav]

When i say there is a creator for this universe that doesn't mean magic but only for you it looks magic.

Can't you see how amazing that the sperm and the egg becomes a human being,
i don't call it magic but as an amazing thing that already preplanned and designed by the creator to happen.

No its magic when you insist it is unfathomable as if it cant be part of natural existence. I think if god exists god exists naturally as anything else does. Otherwise there would be nothing if it didnt naturally occur. A creationist has to put some weird spin on that, as if god is the only thing that can just exist.

 

[McBell]

OMG.

Perhaps your god will sign up and post here on RF?

Nature is created, the creator is supernatural.

One bold empty claim followed by another bold empty claim.

We'll never understand what beyond the nature and we can't compare the creator to what was created, it is like comparing the door to the carpenter.

You will never understand simply because you are content with "GodDidIt".
You fear that others will someday understand and in said understanding your God of the Gaps will get even smaller.