Why are there still Monkeys?

[FearGod]

Unless they are agnostic so you are just generalizing and doesnt work, but what does that have to do with evolution. Theists say it has to be god so the theist limited their answers while atheists and agnostics are open to options without the preconceived notion that only god can be the answer.

We are also open to any rational option if it does exist.

 

[idav]

The scripture agree with this.

Your Lord is Free of all wants; (He is) the Lord of Mercy. If He wants, He can wipe you out, and have another people _ whomever He wants _ succeed you, just as He raised you from the genes of a different nation. (6:133)

Yes there are things that are agreed upon. There have been 5 major exinction events as far as the earth is able to tell us.

 

[Revoltingest]

From Mirriam-Webster's definition of "magic".....

1a: the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
1b: magic rites or incantations
2a: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source

Definition #1a fits myths of creation by a supreme being quite well IMO.
I don't say that magical beliefs are inherently wrong, but neither do I find them
useful, as in having explanatory or predictive value. Ya just can't test them.

Edit: I meant "2a" rather than "1a".
Although, religious rituals would fit.

 

[McBell]

It seems more likely for you and for your fellow atheists but that doesn't make it to be a fact just because you only believe it to be so.

It is most interesting how you do not apply this to your own beliefs...

Why the blatant double standard?

 

[idav]

We are also open to any rational option if it does exist.

Yes and humans have been working on it. We tapped into the power of creation just with atoms could become a destroyer of a whole world. Obviously the questions get harder to answer but it isnt unfathomable. The atoms seem to hold the key to creation and the creator and it is paradoxically one and the same IMO.

 

[FearGod]

You failed to address the egg situation. Please describe to us, in purely scientific terms, how the lifeless soup of the egg becomes a chick.

And can you describe to me how the chicken learned to sit on the eggs for 21 days.

 

[McBell]

What was before evolution ?
Where did life come from ?

I much prefer the answer "I Don't Know" over the bold empty claim "God Did It".

No life can exist within the singularity, so from the starting point life didn't exist, then how you explain it in scientific manner.

Assuming your two bold empty claims are fact, my answer is "I Do Not Know".
Now I understand that you have to jump at this gap in knowledge and cram your god in there hoping that someone will be all like "WTF! we do not know something! it must have been God!"

What is your evidence that the creator wasn't behind abiogenesis.

The fact that there is no objective empirical evidence that this alleged creator even exists, let alone has done anything to directly affect the real world.

 

[McBell]

Where is the magic in saying that there is a creator for this universe ?

The second you claim "supernatural" you are claiming "magic"...

Your hypothesis that nothing created the universe, so you are the one speaking about magic.

Still whooping up on the "something from nothing" strawman?

 

[Mycroft]

And can you describe to me how the chicken learned to sit on the eggs for 21 days.

You failed to address the egg situation. Please describe to us, in purely scientific terms, how the lifeless soup of the egg becomes a chick.

 

[McBell]

And can you describe to me how the chicken learned to sit on the eggs for 21 days.

Yes
But only after you address the egg situation by describing, in purely scientific terms, how the lifeless soup of the egg becomes a chick.

 

[FearGod]

No its magic when you insist it is unfathomable as if it cant be part of natural existence. I think if god exists god exists naturally as anything else does. Otherwise there would be nothing if it didnt naturally occur. A creationist has to put some weird spin on that, as if god is the only thing that can just exist.

To agree with you then you have to answer my question in scientific manner.

Did nature always exist ? and how did you know such fact ?
IOW , Did the nature existed before the nature and hence nature was always existing.

 

[McBell]

To agree with you then you have to answer my question in scientific manner.

Did nature always exist ? and how did you know such fact ?
IOW , Did the nature existed before the nature and hence nature was always existing.

still looking for gaps to stuff your god into?

If I had to spend all my time looking for places to stuff my god into, I would be looking for a better god.

 

[Mycroft]

still looking for gaps to stuff your god into?

If I had to spend all my time looking for places to stuff my god into, I would be looking for a better god.

If I spent all my time looking for places to stuff my got into, I would have developed a very serious medical condition of the penis.

@FearGod: we still await your egg explanation.

 

[Mycroft]

To agree with you then you have to answer my question in scientific manner.

Did nature always exist ? and how did you know such fact ?
IOW , Did the nature existed before the nature and hence nature was always existing.

Here's the thing. Science will, at any given moment, always have a frontier. There will always be scientific mysteries. But science is dealing with them one by one. Slowly, gradually, we are penetrating these mysteries. You seem to put your god in that boundary beyond what is known, but that boundary is getting pushed all the time and so, by your own logic, your god is getting smaller and smaller.

Isaac Newton was also a fan of the 'God of the Gaps'. When he had done the laws of gravity and physics and suchlike he reached a point where he couldn't solve certain mysteries (he was limited by the tools of his day). So he said 'Maybe that's where God is. Maybe that's where God steps in and sorts things out.' But all of those 'mysteries' he said were god have long been solved and are now taken for granted as fact. So if you're alwyas going to put god into that point of mystery science has not reached yet, eventually your god is going to vanish.

Still waiting on the egg explanation, incidentally.

 

[idav]

To agree with you then you have to answer my question in scientific manner.

Did nature always exist ? and how did you know such fact ?
IOW , Did the nature existed before the nature and hence nature was always existing.

Something rather than nothing is a conundrum but there is no basis for nothing existing either. Unless we are going to say something natural ought not exist. Thats more philosophy though.

 

[FearGod]

You failed to address the egg situation. Please describe to us, in purely scientific terms, how the lifeless soup of the egg becomes a chick.

How to answer a stupid question.

The soup is a food and will never become a chick,the chick is located in the germinal disc.

You may see the stages of development here.

 

[McBell]

How to answer a stupid question.

I notice that you start throwing the word "stupid" around whenever you find yourself in a corner...

 

[Mycroft]

How to answer a stupid question.

The soup is a food and will never become a chick,the chick is located in the germinal disc.

You may see the stages of development here.

The germinal disc is non-living. So, I refer you to my previous question. You have, so far, failed/refused to answer the question. Linking to a website in no way demonstrates your understanding of the process.

 

[FearGod]

The germinal disc is non-living. So, I refer you to my previous question. You have, so far, failed/refused to answer the question. Linking to a website in no way demonstrates your understanding of the process.

 

[Mycroft]

That's what I figured. You're unable to answer.

So if you don't know/can't understand these processes, how are we expected to explain them to you?

If you're happy that your life is fuelled by scientific illiteracy and and try to lambast those who seek to challenge you, great, I guess. But please don't partake in debates, as that clearly isn't your interest.