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Why are there still Monkeys?
- Thread starter Mycroft
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Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Unless that thing is god apparently. So much for logic.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Why not ?
McBell
Unbound
Where did god come from?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
If nothingness can never bring anything into existence, then god can not exist.
McBell
Unbound
Calling it a strawman doe snot eliminate the problem caused.
You are merely using "cause and effect" to get to god, where you promptly toss "cause and effect" out the window simply because it does not stop at your god.
Therefore "cause and effect" actually hurts your god.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
How is that a strawman?
Cause and effect is not a law by the way, and only applies to classical, or Newtonian physics - it does not apply at the quantum scale.
What caused god?
NewGuyOnTheBlock
Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
As "God" can not be a proven entity, "God" is thus a presupposition, and by using such a presupposition, all logic is removed.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The natural laws or call it as you wish are applied to us and not to the creator,God is beyond time and space.
We have 24 hours a day,Does God ?
We eat food and defecate,Does God ?
We drink and urinate, Does God ?
We sleep at night and wake up at morning, Does God.
Comparing ourselves to God in any measure is a stupid idea IMHO
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Where did god come from if you can not get something from nothing?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Do you believe that there should be a starting point for this universe as to exist ?
We don't know how life existed as to know who brought it to existence.
And they ask you about the spirit, say: 'The spirit is of the command of my Lord, and you are not given of the knowledge but a little'. (17:85)
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Cosmologists seem to think so.
That doesn't work, why would life need to be brought into existence by a being? Surely intelligent beings came long after the emergence of life, not before it?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
We can't prove or disprove God's existence.
And how life existed out of "no life"
Biogenesis doesn't make sense to you.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Sure, same goes for smurfs and intergallactic space penguins - it is hardly a point in god's favour.
Is god alive? How does claiming that life must have created life solve the riddle of origins?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Except that i have the clues in the scripture which is in favour of proving God's existence.
The riddle of origins can't be solved depending on our earthly sciences, it is beyond our knowledge.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Yeah, that is what all of the different religjons say about their gods and holy books.
They used to say that about flying, about going to the moon - heck, about hundreds of science's acheivements. Did you know that some scientists have already credated life? A few months ago scientists at the Scripps Institute created the first lifeform with artificial genetic building blocks.
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The Cosmological argument for the existence of God is more than a bit odd.
It makes an arbitrary, unfounded statement (that everything that exists has to have a specific cause or creator) in order to attempt to prove its opposite (that God is an exception) and an unrelated supposed consequence (that God is also the creator of existence itself).
Arguments don't come much more dogmatic, speculative and unconvincing than that.
The closer I have come to seeing any sense in it is by guessing that some people sincerely believe that everything does need a clear, knowable cause or creator and that they feel so troubled by the infinite regression that such a belief entails that they end up needing to hold a belief in an exception - a transcendental exception, of course - and to call it "God".
Or maybe it is the other way around? Some people are so attached to the need to believe in a Creator God that they convince themselves that it is the only way to "explain" existence?
More probably both. In any case, it is sad that people actually expect to convince non-theists with such a spurious so-called "argument".
It makes an arbitrary, unfounded statement (that everything that exists has to have a specific cause or creator) in order to attempt to prove its opposite (that God is an exception) and an unrelated supposed consequence (that God is also the creator of existence itself).
Arguments don't come much more dogmatic, speculative and unconvincing than that.
The closer I have come to seeing any sense in it is by guessing that some people sincerely believe that everything does need a clear, knowable cause or creator and that they feel so troubled by the infinite regression that such a belief entails that they end up needing to hold a belief in an exception - a transcendental exception, of course - and to call it "God".
Or maybe it is the other way around? Some people are so attached to the need to believe in a Creator God that they convince themselves that it is the only way to "explain" existence?
More probably both. In any case, it is sad that people actually expect to convince non-theists with such a spurious so-called "argument".
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Everyone is free to believe in what makes sense to him. :yes:
Did religion say that we'll never be able to fly.
O tribe of jinn and of men, if you are able to pass through the confines of heaven and earth, pass through them! You shall not pass through except with an authority.(55:33)
The simple synthetic life that were made by chemicals proves that things can never be made without intensive studies and researches which isn't the case with the unconscious nature.