Why did god create homosexuality?

[sojourner]

Russell's teapot.

You'll have to do better than that. See Chamberlain, Reitan and Garvey.

 

[dantech]

Oh please do us all a favour and stop comparing sexuality to desire to murder. Might be helpful to look into psychology before doing so.

That is not at all what I did. I was not comparing, I was stating that the argument about being born with something making it alright is invalid.
I am not saying that homosexuality is anything like murder. Or that being homosexual is a bad thing, as murder would be. I am saying that using the "I'm born with it" to try and convince people that it is alright is wrong.

You can be born with an uncontrollable urge to murder people, whether it be a choice or not at the end of the day is debatable.
If you are born with the uncontrollable attraction to people of the same sex, at the end of the day, it is still a choice for you whether or not you act on it.
However, at some point in life when your urges are just too damn strong, there's no way you can control it. And I believe this to be true for people who NEED to kill.
It's true for people who NEED to act on their attractions. It's true for people who NEED to scratch an itch. It's just something you can't control. Or maybe you can, but others can't.

The only argument I am making is that being born with it, doesn't make it alright. Other aspects and variables make it alright, but not the fact that you are born with it.

 

[dantech]

Indeed your argument is invalid. Murder is a choice and always brings negative consequences. Nothing to compare with homosexuality.

Murder is not always a choice...

I can understand that something one is born with is not always right, but the point is not that homosexuality is something you are born with - science is still debating this - but that it's not a choice, but a part of one's personnality.

I wasn't debating whether or not it is something you are born with, I was merely saying that just because you feel you are born with something doesn't make it alright. Not that being a homosexual is not alright, just that that particular argument for it being alright, is invalid.

Also, no sexual orientation - whether it's toward the other sex, the same sex or both - is unhealthy by nature, only some behaviors are (unsave sex, etc.). And no behavior is exclusive to a specific sexual orientation.

Agreed.

 

[sojourner]

That is not at all what I did. I was not comparing, I was stating that the argument about being born with something making it alright is invalid.

Black people are born with black skin from genes unique to their race. Does that mean that it's not OK for them to be black? Women are born with two X chromosomes. Does that mean that it's not OK for them to be female?

Or, perhaps, if it's OK that blacks are black, then maybe it's just not OK for them to "act black." Maybe it's not OK for women to "act like women." If not, then what should they "act like?" Or should they all simply abstain from any kind of action at all? Or maybe they should "pretend" to be something more palatable to our religious "sensibilities?"

In what way is it OK for Blacks to be black, if "being born that way" is invalid? In what way is it OK for women to be female, if "being born that way" is invalid? What is a valid reason?

 

[dantech]

Black people are born with black skin from genes unique to their race. Does that mean that it's not OK for them to be black? Women are born with two X chromosomes. Does that mean that it's not OK for them to be female?

Or, perhaps, if it's OK that blacks are black, then maybe it's just not OK for them to "act black." Maybe it's not OK for women to "act like women." If not, then what should they "act like?" Or should they all simply abstain from any kind of action at all? Or maybe they should "pretend" to be something more palatable to our religious "sensibilities?"

In what way is it OK for Blacks to be black, if "being born that way" is invalid? In what way is it OK for women to be female, if "being born that way" is invalid? What is a valid reason?

I still think you don't understand my point.
Being Black is fine. Proving that being Black is fine simply because you are born black, is what I am disagreeing with.

And how do you "act black"? It's not a good example.

 

[sojourner]

I still think you don't understand my point.
Being Black is fine. Proving that being Black is fine simply because you are born black, is what I am disagreeing with.

Then how does one go about "proving that being black is fine?" What makes being black -- or female "fine?" In what way is someone who has a different set of genetics from me "fine?" In what way is someone who has a different chromosomal structure from me "fine?"

 

[dantech]

Then how does one go about "proving that being black is fine?" What makes being black -- or female "fine?" In what way is someone who has a different set of genetics from me "fine?" In what way is someone who has a different chromosomal structure from me "fine?"

Just proving that the counterparts are no better than you in any way.
Again these are bad examples because if you could be Black by choice, then how would you argue that it is fine to be black?

Many will tell you that you are NOT born with homosexuality, which if one day proven, will make all the homosexuals who thought that they can be so just because they are born that way, wrong.

 

[sojourner]

Just proving that the counterparts are no better than you in any way.

In what way are those who identify as heterosexual "better" than those who identify as homosexual?

Again these are bad examples because if you could be Black by choice, then how would you argue that it is fine to be black?

???Huh??? This is a non-argument, because that's simply not how the world works.

Many will tell you that you are NOT born with homosexuality, which if one day proven, will make all the homosexuals who thought that they can be so just because they are born that way, wrong.

"If." Again with conjecture. Why not simply deal with what we know? Many (if not most) of those who identify as homosexual assert that they've always felt that way. So, given that that's the case, in what way is that orientation not "fine?"

 

[dantech]

Are you at all reading what I am saying? I'm not arguing with you. Homosexuals and Heterosexuals are equals to me. Black and Whites are Equals. Jews and Muslims are equals. Men and women are equals.

In what way are those who identify as heterosexual "better" than those who identify as homosexual?

They are not. That's the point. You don't need to be born homosexual to make it alright. That's all I'm saying...

???Huh??? This is a non-argument, because that's simply not how the world works.

Exactly why your example of Blacks is not valid.

"If." Again with conjecture. Why not simply deal with what we know? Many (if not most) of those who identify as homosexual assert that they've always felt that way.

Many/most doesn't mean all. Just because someone feels a certain way doesn't mean they are right.
I'm not saying that they are right or wrong, I'm just saying no one "knows" as you have stated.

So, given that that's the case, in what way is that orientation not "fine?"

I never said they aren't "fine"

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Exactly why your example of Blacks is not valid.

Are you implying that people choose to be gay?

 

[dantech]

Are you implying that people choose to be gay?

I think some do, and some don't. The reason why using Blacks as an example is invalid, is because you can't be Black and act White. Whereas when you are gay, like many who stay closeted, you can act straight. You also, if straight, can chose to act gay. And I do believe there are some homosexuals out there who at some point were attracted to the opposite sex, and have chosen the different path, and vice-versa, whereas some have just never been attracted to the opposite sex, and thus these are the ones who believe they are "born gay".

For those who claim they are born homosexual, I don't agree or disagree simply because I have no idea. Nothing has been proven so far, and so I simply don't know.
The only thing I have been disagreeing with so far is whether one should use "I am born that way" to convince others that being Gay, or anything else for that matter, okay.
I'm okay with people being gay whether they are born that way, whether it was developed, or just a choice at some point in their lives.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It has always brought about great confusion as to why Yahweh/Allah created homosexuality. He permitted all of the world to exist and designed each aspect about it but why would he create a sin which cannot be avoided even on the biological level.
This is easily equated to god punishing people for being of a certain ethnicity. It seems illogical that a god would punish his own creation for his own design

Man was created God's image. That means part of god is gay.

 

[sojourner]

Homosexuals and Heterosexuals are equals to me.

No they're not. Not if they both can't express themselves sexually with the same assurance of morality.

You don't need to be born homosexual to make it alright. That's all I'm saying...

You just can't have moral sex if you're homosexual, is that it?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I think some do, and some don't. The reason why using Blacks as an example is invalid, is because you can't be Black and act White. Whereas when you are gay, like many who stay closeted, you can act straight. You also, if straight, can chose to act gay. And I do believe there are some homosexuals out there who at some point were attracted to the opposite sex, and have chosen the different path, and vice-versa, whereas some have just never been attracted to the opposite sex, and thus these are the ones who believe they are "born gay".

For those who claim they are born homosexual, I don't agree or disagree simply because I have no idea. Nothing has been proven so far, and so I simply don't know.
The only thing I have been disagreeing with so far is whether one should use "I am born that way" to convince others that being Gay, or anything else for that matter, okay.
I'm okay with people being gay whether they are born that way, whether it was developed, or just a choice at some point in their lives.

What straight person do you know that "acts gay"?

 

[captainbryce]

I think some do, and some don't. The reason why using Blacks as an example is invalid, is because you can't be Black and act White. Whereas when you are gay, like many who stay closeted, you can act straight. You also, if straight, can chose to act gay.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever! If there is no such thing as "acting black", then there is also no such thing as "acting gay". Short of having sex with a dude, how exactly does one ACT gay?

And I do believe there are some homosexuals out there who at some point were attracted to the opposite sex, and have chosen the different path, and vice-versa, whereas some have just never been attracted to the opposite sex, and thus these are the ones who believe they are "born gay".

I think the ones who are attracted to both, who "choose" to go back and forth, they are merely bisexual and lean more in one direction over the other. I think that gay people who have had sex with the opposite sex early in life and then "became" gay have always been gay. They were probably just in the closet and trying to conform to society.

The only thing I have been disagreeing with so far is whether one should use "I am born that way" to convince others that being Gay, or anything else for that matter, okay. I'm okay with people being gay whether they are born that way, whether it was developed, or just a choice at some point in their lives.

But most religious people ARE NOT. That's why being "born gay" is important to them.

 

[look3467]

If I interpret the story of Adam and Eve as God calling them both "Adam" meaning that spiritually, there is no difference between the two.

But because there are two distinct names mentioned, Adam and Eve, denotes a carnal (Fleshly) existence of both genders with the same spiritual makeup.

The bible states that in Gods kingdom there is neither male or female, so male and female gender exists only in earth time existence.

Having said all that then.... the choice for a male gender to submit to, as a female gender, the choice is strictly a carnal choice and not a spiritual one.

Adam is of the heavenly nature while Eve is of an earthly nature.

So....what ever desires a human has, relative to the earthly existence, will be purely of choice.

God never sanctioned a male to male, female to female sexual relationship, but humanity has.

So, figure, is it God's fault? Absolutely not.

God's only fault was our existence in the flesh, and that, the price for it was paid not by you or I, but by God chosen Son.

What we do in the flesh is our own free will. Remember, there are consequences for everything we do, be it good or bad, moral or immoral.

All's I can say, is choose for yourself the choices that will earn you God's blessings, rather that earths consequences for the bad choices.

It applies to believers and unbeliever's alike, no difference.

What goes up must come down, no difference who initiates it.

Blessings, AJ

 

[sojourner]

If I interpret the story of Adam and Eve as God calling them both "Adam" meaning that spiritually, there is no difference between the two.

But because there are two distinct names mentioned, Adam and Eve, denotes a carnal (Fleshly) existence of both genders with the same spiritual makeup.

The bible states that in Gods kingdom there is neither male or female, so male and female gender exists only in earth time existence.

Having said all that then.... the choice for a male gender to submit to, as a female gender, the choice is strictly a carnal choice and not a spiritual one.

Adam is of the heavenly nature while Eve is of an earthly nature.

So....what ever desires a human has, relative to the earthly existence, will be purely of choice.

God never sanctioned a male to male, female to female sexual relationship, but humanity has.

So, figure, is it God's fault? Absolutely not.

God's only fault was our existence in the flesh, and that, the price for it was paid not by you or I, but by God chosen Son.

What we do in the flesh is our own free will. Remember, there are consequences for everything we do, be it good or bad, moral or immoral.

All's I can say, is choose for yourself the choices that will earn you God's blessings, rather that earths consequences for the bad choices.

It applies to believers and unbeliever's alike, no difference.

What goes up must come down, no difference who initiates it.

Blessings, AJ

You're conflating two completely disparate texts -- Genesis and Galatians. Who ever said that "Adam" was "spiritual" and "Eve" was "carnal???" Your argument simply does not follow. At all. This is nothing but justification for homophobia.

 

[Me Myself]

God created homosexuality so he could voyeur lesbians in action.

He thought maybe if he also made male homosexuals, people would be more focused on them, so more oportunity for lesbians to be left alone to do their forbidden sexy sexy pleasures.

 

[Me Myself]

What straight person do you know that "acts gay"?

I would be surprised it wasnt common way of survival for some people in prison.

 

[look3467]

You're conflating two completely disparate texts -- Genesis and Galatians. Who ever said that "Adam" was "spiritual" and "Eve" was "carnal???" Your argument simply does not follow. At all. This is nothing but justification for homophobia.

I said it and the reason I said it is because in the book of Genesis, God breath into a clay vessel.
The clay vessel is of the earth, be it male or female.
But the breath of God is not of this earth but heavenly or spiritual.

What it is then is a marriage between Eve representing the clay, as in mother earth, and Adam as the spirit breath of God.

The offspring being, a living soul. Be it male or female called them both Adam.
Gen_5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

ADAMAH - ALEPH DALET MEM HEY - means EARTH.
Subtract the HEY-
ADAM - ALEPH DALET MEM - means MAN, MANKIND, HUMAN BEING.
Subtract the ALEPH-
DAM - DALET MEM - means BLOOD.>>>Muhammad the Borrower

If, earth, Human being and blood means Adam, then both male and female are Adam.

Gen_3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Adam was unconcerned while Eve = flesh was desiring what was good for the flesh.
Because of that, both (Adams) shared in the consequences.

It is all a carnal exercise except when the spirit intervenes.


Blessings, AJ