Why Diplomacy wont succeed in Palestine

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Yawn. The Zionists, secular and religious, make historically absurd but somewhat morally compelling claims to the land. The Palestinians, secular and religious, make historically more sound and morally compelling claims to the land. We on the outside watch you fight over territory half the size of Michigan's upper peninsula. And you each scream "God is great" in your respective Semitic tongues.

Overall, I'm with the Palestinians. But only on secular grounds. Only because they're oppressed and ill served by their Israeli and elite masters. And truthfully, though you won't appreciate it, they'll only know real liberation when they purge themselves of the very religion that you believe gives them a just claim.

I dont think Palestinians wants support from someone who desires to destroy islam. Also remember there is less than 0.1% homosexuality within Palestinians

 

[Kirran]

Also remember there is less than 0.1% homosexuality within Palestinians

For starters, this is an absolutely bizarre fact to throw in to the discussion. Also, repression and self-identification.

 

[dust1n]

So what you are saying is that there are varied opinions.

Yes, there are varied opinions. So far, it seems to be Israel and "others [who] have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position" versus the rest of the known world.

Also fun fact: The Golan Heights have been longer a part of Israel than Syria.

20 years v. 50 years

Hmm, that's interesting. So, let's say, for the sake of argument, that Lebanon decides to attack the Golan Heights. They succeed, and their army stays there for 25 years until Lebanon decides to given everyone in the Golan Heights Lebanese citizenship. Another 25 years pass, and it is now 2065. So the Golan Heights would rightfully be Lebanese at this point. Is this correct?

 

[JFish123]

When a group believes that Bible gives them the right to steal lands and kick out her citizens then you know diplomacy wont work.
Do u really believe that zionists will give up the illegal settlements and return all to the Palestinians? Then u are very naive person. They believe all the lands of Levant and some parts of Iraq belongs to them.

Guns gave them acces to Palestine and at the end of the day its gonna be gun that makes them flee. This is the nature of mankind. Conquering by force. Read how many times Palestine changed hands during the Roman-Persian wars. Whoever believes in diplomacy and two-state solution must be kidding himself.


I know 100% for sure that Zionists hate to go back to the border of 1948.

Umm... When a religion commands you to kill Christians and Jews wherever you find them is also a bad deal for peace don't ah think?
Here's a few minute clip of the truth about the conflict of Israel and Palestine my friend... Please leave any Jew hatred at the door though...

 

[Kirran]

Umm... When a religion commands you to kill Christians and Jews wherever you find them is also a bad deal for peace don't ah think?
Here's a few minute clip of the truth about the conflict of Israel and Palestine my friend... Please leave any Jew hatred at the door though...

Good points made. But the Israeli state is still subjugating and dehumanising a lot of the common Palestinian people unnecessarily.

 

[dust1n]

Good points made. But the Israeli state is still subjugating and dehumanising a lot of the common Palestinian people unnecessarily.

It's okay to subjugate and dehumanize God's not chosen people. Duh, God should have chose them.

 

[gsa]

I dont think Palestinians wants support from someone who desires to destroy islam. Also remember there is less than 0.1% homosexuality within Palestinians

Palestinians would prefer those of us who are critical of Islam to support right wing Zionists? I doubt that. As for the rest, how is this relevant?

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

This is part of Allah's plan. It all leads to prophecies.


Jews knows that our date is on the battlefield when muslims are united behind one amiir.
They are preparing for that day, not a single nuke is gonna stop the marching army.

In sha Allah, on that day muslims will be victorious and even stones will speak revealing hidden jews behind them. Even jews know about it but dont accept it.

 

[Kirran]

In sha Allah, on that day muslims will be victorious and even stones will speak revealing hidden jews behind them. Even jews know about it but dont accept it.

I have heard there's one kind of tree that is a Jewish tree, which won't tell Muslims when there are Jews hiding behind it. Some hadith or other. Hamas quotes it sometimes.

Maybe Israel should plant more of these trees.

Alternately, all parties involved could try to produce a genuine peace process. None of them really are willing to do that though.

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

I have heard there's one kind of tree that is a Jewish tree, which won't tell Muslims when there are Jews hiding behind it. Some hadith or other. Hamas quotes it sometimes.

Maybe Israel should plant more of these trees.

Alternately, all parties involved could try to produce a genuine peace process. None of them really are willing to do that though.

There won't be any diplomacy. They even break covenants with the God, how can you trust them. They always break promises, this is fact.

 

[Kirran]

There won't be any diplomacy. They even break covenants with the God, how can you trust them. They always break promises, this is fact.

Who, the Israelis? Sure. But so do the Palestinian governments.

As for covenants with God, that's a matter of opinion. I doubt many Jews would agree with you.

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

Who, the Israelis? Sure. But so do the Palestinian governments.

As for covenants with God, that's a matter of opinion. I doubt many Jews would agree with you.

Well, regarding covenants it is a fact, that's not an opinion, particularly not mine. Of course, Jews wouldn't agree with it that's why they misguided. They still waiting for the Messiah.

 

[Kirran]

Well, regarding covenants it is a fact, that's not an opinion, particularly not mine. Of course, Jews wouldn't agree with it that's why they misguided. They still waiting for the Messiah.

Well then it isn't a fact, it's religious doctrine.

Also, welcome to RF! Salam. What country are you from, friend?

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

Well then it isn't a fact, it's religious doctrine.

Well, see how differently we look at it. For us it is the revelation and guidance from the Almighty and for you it is just a doctrine, a book, a book of rules.

 

[Kirran]

Well, see how differently we look at it. For us it is the revelation and guidance from the Almighty and for you it is just a doctrine, a book, a book of rules.

Yes, absolutely. Just as you would reject my belief that the Vedas are valid testimony as regards the nature of reality, I reject your belieftthat the Qur'an is divinely inspired.

No matter your beliefs on the misguidedness of the Jews, those are just your beliefs. They're not some kind of empirical fact.

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

Yes, absolutely. Just as you would reject my belief that the Vedas are valid testimony as regards the nature of reality, I reject your belieftthat the Qur'an is divinely inspired.

Actually I am not much aware of teachings of Vedas but I think that Doctor Zakir Naik was quoting from the books of your religion as well. What we believe is that all nations before us were sent revelations through messengers/prophets. Your land is not an exception. So it is not surprising that he quoted from the books of your religion. The fact is that Muhammad SAW is the final prophet to the whole mankind and we were commanded to follow him if we wish success for ourselves. In fact I am myself from the land where people used to worship fire and the relion of their fathers. Fortunately for me we found the right and straight path.

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

Yes, absolutely. Just as you would reject my belief that the Vedas are valid testimony as regards the nature of reality, I reject your belieftthat the Qur'an is divinely inspired.

Actually I am not much aware of teachings of Vedas but I think that Doctor Zakir Naik was quoting from the books of your religion as well. What we believe is that all nations before us were sent revelations through messengers/prophets. Your land is not an exception. So it is not surprising that he quoted from the books of your religion. The fact is that Muhammad SAW is the final prophet to the whole mankind and we were commanded to follow him if we wish success for ourselves. In fact I am myself from the land where people used to worship fire and the relion of their fathers. Fortunately for me we found the right and straight path.

 

[Kirran]

Actually I am not much aware of teachings of Vedas but I think that Doctor Zakir Naik was quoting from the books of your religion as well. What we believe is that all nations before us were sent revelations through messengers/prophets. Your land is not an exception. So it is not surprising that he quoted from the books of your religion. The fact is that Muhammad SAW is the final prophet to the whole mankind and we were commanded to follow him if we wish success for ourselves. In fact I am myself from the land where people used to worship fire and the relion of their fathers. Fortunately for me we found the right and straight path.

That Muhammad is the final prophet, or any prophet, is a belief as opposed to a fact.

Iran? We have some Zoroastrians (who I assume you referred to) on this forum

 

[sanjarabdurazak]

That Muhammad is the final prophet, or any prophet, is a belief as opposed to a fact.

Iran? We have some Zoroastrians (who I assume you referred to) on this forum

If I say that some model of mobile phone is good for you and try to sell , you definitely you go and check with other sources, of course reliable and credible sources not corrupted, if you wish not to be cheated. The same applies here, bro. You can always check whether it is fact or a someone's belief.

Regarding zoroastria, I think this is mentioned previously.

 

[Kirran]

If I say that some model of mobile phone is good for you and try to sell , you definitely you go and check with other sources, of course reliable and credible sources not corrupted, if you wish not to be cheated. The same applies here, bro. You can always check whether it is fact or a someone's belief.

Regarding zoroastria, I think this is mentioned previously.

A very laudable sentiment. But one shouldn't take one's own conclusions to be universal, because people make lots of different conclusions.