Why do christianity get so much hate?

[YoursTrue]

Hi, this thread isn't about my beliefs. This thread has asked for input regarding potential improvements to a.) Christian approaches and b.) Understanding of Christian theology and Scripture.

OK, but you gave reasons and frankly I don't understand those reasons. You expressed your beliefs there, didn't you? But anyway, be that as it is, if you don't want to answer, that's ok.

 

[YoursTrue]

What I most criticize Christianity for is its claim to exclusivity. Its truth is true so no one else's can be. If only Christianity could own that theirs is mythos points at the same divine mystery as surely as any other .. have the humility not to put themselves first .. put the good of humanity above the greedy need for certainty.

You need to realize, digest, and understand that not all those called Christian or calling themselves Christian agree with others that have that label.

 

[Whateverist]

You need to realize, digest, and understand that not all those called Christian or calling themselves Christian agree with others that have that label.

Oh I know that, but the whole existence of creeds which none dare question is a strike against the brand. I have good friends who I respect greatly but I often wonder how they cope with this millstone.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh I know that, but the whole existence of creeds which none dare question is a strike against the brand. I have good friends who I respect greatly but I often wonder how they cope with this millstone.

I have often commented and questioned and spoke about certain beliefs that some called Christians might have. And others called Christian certainly might criticize me. Yes, I believe in Christ and believe he is the Messiah. But -- ... not necessarily as others would have it.

 

[Coder]

I believe:

OK, but you gave reasons and frankly I don't understand those reasons.

1. There was an apparent movement in Judaism potentially involving a brilliant Rabbi who is gifted by God.
2. An elite Greek-educated Jewish Roman citizen had ideas for how to adapt this movement to a Roman unified religion (no circumcision required by religion) that also ended animal sacrifices. Jews and polytheists were both engaged in animal sacrifices (ending that practice may be considered a general religious advancement, not a problem, per se). Many fibs involved. (Potentially also educated Roman elites e.g. senators supported this new religion.)
3. However, the Roman unification part (e.g. Judaism and Greco-Roman religion together) resulted in a theology that was not from Jesus and/or was not whatever the original movement within Judaism was about. Many fibs involved.
4. Much cover-up as to why Jewish people didn't accept the claimed messiah (ridiculous/insulting fibs about Jews "blind" etc.). Still, the new religion plowed forward, e.g. animal sacrifices were still ended, the Jewish temple was physically destroyed.
5. The new Roman religion eventually became official state religion, Greco-Roman temples destroyed/converted. Heretics were punished, went on for centuries.

The New Roman Religion - the End of Animal Sacrifices

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Early Roman Creeds: "all things to all people"

I believe: Early Roman creeds: "all things to all people" - your belief in "gods" is transitioned to belief in the one true God. The trinity is not a reality, so don't strain yourself with irrational metaphors. The Bible and the early Roman creeds are "all things to all people" (1 Corinthians...

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[paarsurrey]

Why do christianity get so much hate?

1.One can perceive two religions in the NT:

2.The teachings of Jesus, and the man-God-messiah teachings that are not from Jesus, but are fibs that are inserted to generally match the Paulinian line of "Christ"ianity. "Christ" in quotes as Greek for messiah.

3.It's almost a humorous failure, the messiah that the people of the messiah don't even accept!

4.However, the religion evolved to be backed by the educated Greek elites who changed it to be more of a Roman unification religion, and then the government supported it (first heretics punished in 4th century, continued into 16th century, beyond?).

All , ^excellent and useful point.

Regards

 

[RabbiO]

@RabbiO is that true that you are an ordained rabbi, etc.?

Yes.

 

[Coder]

I believe:

I have often commented and questioned and spoke about certain beliefs that some called Christians might have. And others called Christian certainly might criticize me. Yes, I believe in Christ and believe he is the Messiah. But -- ... not necessarily as others would have it.

We may have quite a bit in common. Although messiah can have many interpretations, and I don't profess a strong interpretation about that aspect. Even the creeds de-emphasize the messiah part. Yes, the creeds use the term Jesus "Christ" once. That's the only allusion to messiah. And the lack of emphasis on the messiah part, in the creeds, is an indication that the leaders knew that the messiah part was more for an attempt at Jewish unification in the new religion and not that the messiah had really come.

 

[RabbiO]

Do you think Someone is going to be the Final Judge?

If I gave the impression that I was commenting about Christianity and/or Christians I apologize. My response was directed toward the comments of amother forum member

 

[blü 2]

Why do christianity get so much hate? It is really frustrating. I am not a christian but I think about christians that get hate just because of the religion they are following. It is so sad

The stats show that religion continues to decline in the First World, and since Christianity is by far the dominant Western religion, it's the chief loser.

Since the middle of the last century, the coming of radio, TV, the mobile phone and the present scene with instant communications and instant access to knowledge was and is steadily eroding the old centers of social authority, of which the church was once a major element, as people found and continue to find they generally don't need to physically gather as they used to be in order to be in close contact.

Simultaneously scientific understanding and education in the middle classes have risen, often replacing religious understandings of how (if not necessarily the moral version of why) the universe and the earth and life and humans came about.

Then there have been the now three decades of worldwide investigations of and public enquiries into sexual abuse of believers, not least children, by their clergy and the unraveling of the many church efforts to cover it all up. If anything accelerated the church's loss of moral authority, this great public purging did. And we also get many insights into why people might fear and hate some of those religious institutions as a result.

I remain of the view that what matters is not what religious beliefs a person has or doesn't have, but whether they treat others with decency, respect, inclusion and common sense. While that continues to happen, I have a certain (though necessarily qualified) optimism for humanity.

 

[Coder]

I believe:

The stats show that religion continues to decline in the First World, and since Christianity is by far the dominant Western religion, it's the chief loser.

Yes, I believe that these leaders need to get to work because many are no longer believing the fibs.

Paul said that he had a vision and then he changed the direction - perhaps some of the leaders today can also get some chutzpah and fix these ridiculous polytheistic-adaptive practices. They've had 2000 years. No, I'm not talking about harmless (and beautiful, IMHO) decorations like Christmas trees, etc. I'm referring to such as eating unleavened bread (common with Jews) but saying that it's the body of the sacrifice because the polytheists ate the sacrifice. Also trinity teaching is not accurate. These and other things disrespect God IMHO and they are definitely not part of Jewish roots.

E.g. Catholicism:

Changing "One in being" to "consubstantial" is too small a step, but at least it leaves room for interpretations.​

This is also helpful, but so much more to do:​

https://www.vatican.va/jubilee_2000/magazine/documents/ju_mag_01021998_p-24_en.html

"Although in Jewish scripture the Holy Spirit is never presented as a person,..."​

I believe that the Catholic Church still drives trends to some extent across all Christian denominations.​

Christians can tell their pastors. Catholics can email the Theological Commission and express interest in better theology. I know that sounds humorous but knowing that people are ready for accurate monotheistic theology may reduce their hesitancy over concerns about surprising the faithful.

The Pastor Gino Jennings believes in one God, no trinity. I am a monotheist in a similar way that Jewish people are (I don't believe in trinity). However I also don't believe all of Pastor Jennings' theology, I am merely giving his church as an example because it has "temples" that are growing all over the world and he has a teaching of monotheism that many Christians may welcome. It's also interesting that his church's Scriptures include many of the deuterocanonical books that Catholics also include:

The Holy Scriptures Large Print

The Holy Scriptures which includes the 'Book of Jasher' and the other books that Apostle, Pastor Gino Jennings preach from.

firstchurchwarehouse.myshopify.com

So, in the Church "competition market", the legacy Romanic churches must pay attention because Christianity 2.0 is arriving fast. (They can start with taking the Greek word "Christ" out of it. I think that it's insulting to Jewish people to use a Greek word for their messiah that was artificially added to the new Roman religion for the sake of unification.) Another example:

One God Over All – Overview - 21st Century Reformation

21stcr.org

I certainly don't view the truth of God as a "market", by the way. It's simply that all the fibs have made it this way, and that's part of the problem: By using religion for socio-political purposes, it degrades truth.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes.

But in essence can you speak for all forms of Judaism?

 

[YoursTrue]

If I gave the impression that I was commenting about Christianity and/or Christians I apologize. My response was directed toward the comments of amother forum member

I will say this, however -- growing up as a Jew I had no love for mainstream Christianity.

 

[YoursTrue]

If I gave the impression that I was commenting about Christianity and/or Christians I apologize. My response was directed toward the comments of amother forum member

I don't believe I directed that question to you. Although I certainly hope there is a Final Judge. The question is: what happens to those on the good side of God and the not-so-good side. But that's another maybe big story. So maybe another thread for that.

 

[Audie]

I believe:


Yes, I was somewhat like that!

Then I realized (with God's help) about the Roman religious patterns. So here is dialog for those Christians that may be interested ("open" to dialog as you say):

The New Roman Religion - the End of Animal Sacrifices

I believe: The New Roman Religion - a Rabbi later declared Priest, and Messiah Substitutes for Animal Sacrifices Paul, and other educated Roman citizens who also believed in God, considered the religious sacrifice of animals to be obsolete. Circumcision was an obstacle to Roman unified...

www.religiousforums.com

Early Roman Creeds: "all things to all people"

I believe: Early Roman creeds: "all things to all people" - your belief in "gods" is transitioned to belief in the one true God. The trinity is not a reality, so don't strain yourself with irrational metaphors. The Bible and the early Roman creeds are "all things to all people" (1 Corinthians...

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Oh right. The wise one looks upon
the grasshopper and says, yes, i too was
in foolish darkness but that was so very long
ago.

As if.

 

[blü 2]

By using religion for socio-political purposes, it degrades truth.

Starting with Constantine and continuing on to the Papacy, to the Thirty Years War, and to the present day, one or other version of the Christian religion has been central to the monarchies of Europe and the European colonies worldwide. This has served the State religion as well as it's served the State. (And look at the legendary status of the Pilgrim Fathers in US lore.) The decline of Christianity being discussed here has already diluted this considerably of course, but the present monarchies of Europe ─ The UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, the Netherlands, and Belgium ─ all operate hand in hand with a state religion. Nor is the political influence of Orthodoxy in Greece, Russia, and more to be ignored. And that's before we get to the Muslim states, India and the Buddhist countries of SE Asia.

Oops! And I nearly forgot to mention the Vatican.

 

[metis]

Why do christianity get so much hate?

(Friend @RabbiO)| One is our resident Rabbi , one may say, at RF, we are listening to you, start convincing us all, right, please?

Regards

He's top shelf all the way!

 

[metis]

I will say this, however -- growing up as a Jew I had no love for mainstream Christianity.

Because it's irrelevant, relatively speaking. It's like if one asks me "What is life like on other planets?" my response would possibly be "I don't know, nor does it bother me that I don't know".

BTW, did you attend a synagogue as a Jew and, if so, which branch?

 

[paarsurrey]

Why do christianity get so much hate?

@RabbiO is that true that you are an ordained rabbi, etc.?

Yes.

But in essence can you speak for all forms of Judaism?

He's top shelf all the way!

"ordained "
It doesn't mean that a Rabbi is appointed by G-d, please, right?

Regards

 

[metis]

Why do christianity get so much hate?




"ordained "
It doesn't mean that a Rabbi is appointed by G-d, please, right?

Regards

Of course not, but many in the ministry may have a "calling".