Why do christianity get so much hate?

[Samael_Khan]

At this point I conclude that (1) we all must make up our minds based on evidence, and (2) it is God who judges each one. I don't believe in the usual concept of hell, so do not believe in the truthfulness of that as taught and believed by many.

I doubt that evidence plays a major factor in these decisions. Rather practice what you are convinced of. Whether a God/Gods judges it is up to them to decide.

 

[YoursTrue]

They did yes. But, as per their Gods orders, they had to oppress quite a few people both outside and inside their group because they were gods chosen and what ever he says goes.

No, not because they were "God's chosen ones," but because there was a purpose to protecting the survival of the people. It's a long and detailed story. Can be easy, but it also has many details, in's and out's. OK, have a good evening.

 

[YoursTrue]

I doubt that evidence plays a major factor in these decisions. Rather practice what you are convinced of. Whether a God/Gods judges it is up to them to decide.

I agree that the judgment is up to God, but some of us respond to what we believe in the truth, and yes, just as He allowed Pharaoh to be obstinate and not stick with what was obvious, He allows people to have their own opinions about things. But as I said, it's in God's hands figuratively speaking of course, and I am going to sign off for today. Nice "speaking" with you...

 

[Samael_Khan]

No, not because they were "God's chosen ones," but because there was a purpose to protecting the survival of the people. It's a long and detailed story. Can be easy, but it also has many details, in's and out's. OK, have a good evening.

They were Gods chosen nation though. Anyway, it is just morning here, good evening to you too.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I agree that the judgment is up to God, but some of us respond to what we believe in the truth, and yes, just as He allowed Pharaoh to be obstinate and not stick with what was obvious, He allows people to have their own opinions about things. But as I said, it's in God's hands figuratively speaking of course, and I am going to sign off for today. Nice "speaking" with you...

If i remember correctly, God was the one who hardened Pharoahs heart. He didn't just allow but played an active role. Also, faiths aren't obviously true because that would require conclusive evidence, like seeing our hands in front of us or feeling the wind on our skin. Good "speaking" to you too. Keep well.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If we read the Tanakh, we see high levels of exclusivism amongst the Israelites which was driven by the idea of them being God's chosen people. I know that there are many Jews today who aren't this way. But I know of quite a few religiously jewish families who aren't welcoming of outsiders into their families and gay people in their families etc.

In every religious group (or political group, or other ideology) you always have a range of people, going from the very very good, through the mediocre, to the very, very bad. It is unfortunately a very human trait to divide the world into us and them, with us being super spectacular, and them being awful and dangerous.

It should therefore not surprise you then that are there are a minority of Jews who are unwelcoming to others. This tends to occur more often within ultra orthodoxy, which is highly insular, full of people worried that exposure to others is a corruptive influence. But if you want to talk about the top of the bell shaped curve, Jews in general are nothing like that.

As for as LGBT goes, most synagogues in the US are quite welcoming. The last synagogue I was a member of, the rabbi was a lesbian. Even the Orthodox shuls I've been a part of have mostly been "Come, but don't flaunt it."

It's the old, "two Jews, three opinions" thing. Even among religious Jews, there is seldom a consensus. Some things are more common than other things, but nothing is universal.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Thats like saying that a police force isn't racist towards a certain group because they have representatives of the targeted group in their force.

Seriously? You think entire police forces are racist?

 

[Samael_Khan]

In every religious group (or political group, or other ideology) you always have a range of people, going from the very very good, through the mediocre, to the very, very bad. It is unfortunately a very human trait to divide the world into us and them, with us being super spectacular, and them being awful and dangerous.

It should therefore not surprise you then that are there are a minority of Jews who are unwelcoming to others. This tends to occur more often within ultra orthodoxy, which is highly insular, full of people worried that exposure to others is a corruptive influence. But if you want to talk about the top of the bell shaped curve, Jews in general are nothing like that.

I fully agree with your first paragraph. My stance is that the Abrahamic religions saying that their group is God's chosen people feeds that us vs them mentality. Its injects it with steroids

I have no idea how many religious jews today have exclusivist thinking. I just know that to some extent it exists and is fed by the chosen people narrative. I would say that because Jews don't have a proselitising element, they are way less likely to express this thinking to others, and arent remotely as toxic as the other groups. They are by and large "invisible".... except with Israeli's, many who are also injected with steroids in this regard towards Palestinians. Not that Hama's and Netenyahu haven't fed this by giving them many needles. Internationally, Zionism has been warped into a huge steroid dump, especially with the Evangelicals supporting Israel, and not because they like Jews at all.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Seriously? You think entire police forces are racist?

I think entire police forces can be racist as an institution. This has been the case in history.

For instance, during apartheid there were people of colour acting as police within their communities, but they served to uphold apartheid segregation, and helped to squash dissent. So they were complicit even though they loved people within their community.

 

[stvdv]

Their spiritual arrogance is blinding. It is rooted in their emotionally driven prejudice, which is why most can't be reasoned with. This is why they have so many different and often conflicting beliefs because the facts arent their spiritual base but rather the prejudice is. Which is why arguing with faacts is pointless.

Very true, they have no actual experience, they live in their fantasy in which they are supreme

Spiritual Arrogance is a narcissistic sign; narcs are known to never change, due to trauma at young age, viewing themselves as perfect, like God

I, more and more, realize that all the Abrahamics claiming to be superior are possessed by the killer virus called narcissism

I don't try to explain it to them
"No respect = No contact"
Clear boundaries is best

 

[Samael_Khan]

Very true, they have no actual experience, they live in their fantasy in which they are supreme

Spiritual Arrogance is a narcissistic sign; narcs are known to never change, due to trauma at young age, viewing themselves perfect, like God

I, more and more, realize that all the Abrahamics claiming to be superior are possessed by the killer virus called narcissism

I don't try to explain it to them
"No respect = No contact"
Clear boundaries is best

I have come to realise that actual experience is superior. Arrogance is often a substitute for lack of convincing evidence. Often people are trying to convince themselves of spiritual beliefs they havent experienced and the arrogance is either soothing or comforting by strengthening bonds of group narcissism.

Clear boundaries are best. Now that i have a clear direction based on experience i generally just neutralise the attempt at conversion rather than butt heads.

 

[stvdv]

My stance is

that the Abrahamic religions saying that their group is God's chosen people feeds that us vs them mentality. Its injects it with steroids

You nailed it, it's more dangerous than their Hell:

"God's chosen people" is similar to Hitler's "The Arian race" and "white supremacy"

 

[Samael_Khan]

You nailed it, it's more dangerous than their Hell:

"God's chosen people" is similar to Hitler's "The Arian race" and "white supremacy"

And it isn't surprising then that there are cases where those ideologies overlap. These days the terms Judeo-Christian culture and Western culture and the claims of them being superior to other cultures are mostly dog whistles for white supremacy. It is used to justify and excuse cultural, religious and military domination over other races and ideologies. The idea of God's chosen people is often intertwined with this.

 

[YoursTrue]

If i remember correctly, God was the one who hardened Pharoahs heart. He didn't just allow but played an active role. Also, faiths aren't obviously true because that would require conclusive evidence, like seeing our hands in front of us or feeling the wind on our skin. Good "speaking" to you too. Keep well.

Yes, it says God hardened Pharaoh's heart. That is not unusual when looked at from the perspective that Pharaoh was a person with a lot of power and God could have intervened and made clear that Pharaoh got the point beforehand. But He did not.

 

[YoursTrue]

You nailed it, it's more dangerous than their Hell:

"God's chosen people" is similar to Hitler's "The Arian race" and "white supremacy"

Not all calling themselves Christians joined Hitler's endeavor. Many did, but some did not.

 

[YoursTrue]

You nailed it, it's more dangerous than their Hell:

"God's chosen people" is similar to Hitler's "The Arian race" and "white supremacy"

Naturally I'm assuming you don't celebrate Christmas or go to any Christmas parties, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

I have come to realise that actual experience is superior. Arrogance is often a substitute for lack of convincing evidence. Often people are trying to convince themselves of spiritual beliefs they havent experienced and the arrogance is either soothing or comforting by strengthening bonds of group narcissism.

Clear boundaries are best. Now that i have a clear direction based on experience i generally just neutralise the attempt at conversion rather than butt heads.

And facts are facts. It's good to learn sometimes.

 

[stvdv]

My stance is that the Abrahamic religions saying that their group is God's chosen people feeds that us vs them mentality. Its injects it with steroids

You nailed it, it's more dangerous than their Hell:

"God's chosen people" is similar to Hitler's "The Arian race" and "white supremacy"

Not all calling themselves Christians joined Hitler's endeavor. Many did, but some did not.

You totally misrepresent the clear point that was made by @Samael_Khan and @stvdv

The point could have been clear to you, but you refused and denigrated, without watching, the 60 sec clip I provided to make it abundantly clear

The point was:
The moment you claim "my Religion and or my Savior is the only one, and the superior one", you become a Supremacist, hence a "Christian Supremacist".

From Hitler most people have learned how dangerous Supremacists are.

Strange that you totally missed our point

 

[Samael_Khan]

Yes, it says God hardened Pharaoh's heart. That is not unusual when looked at from the perspective that Pharaoh was a person with a lot of power and God could have intervened and made clear that Pharaoh got the point beforehand. But He did not.

It could also be that God actually hardened his heart because he didnt want Pharoah to understand, otherwise the Israelites wouldn't be so motivated to go to the promised land.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Yes, it says God hardened Pharaoh's heart. That is not unusual when looked at from the perspective that Pharaoh was a person with a lot of power and God could have intervened and made clear that Pharaoh got the point beforehand. But He did not.

It could also be that God actually hardened his heart because he didnt want Pharoah to understand, otherwise the Israelites wouldn't be so motivated to go to the promised land.