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Why Do Christians insist meditation is "dangerous"?

Orbit

I'm a planet
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?
You could not be more right. I am a Christian and I agree with you in full. Meditation is necessary to become close in any way with God, whatever form you choose to practice. The "Christians" who say that meditations opens up the soul to demons are part of another group ... loonies.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
There is truth to it, honestly. Any technique that induces an altered state of consciousness opens a doorway. All sorts of things can step through that doorway, including but definitely not limited to the Christian god. The Christian god has never stepped through the doorway during my meditations, but various other gods, spirits, and otherworldly denizens have. To at least some Christians, anything that isn't their god is, by definition, a demon. So yes, there really is some truth to that perspective, as silly as it may seem on the surface.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
There is truth to it, honestly. Any technique that induces an altered state of consciousness opens a doorway. All sorts of things can step through that doorway, including but definitely not limited to the Christian god. The Christian god has never stepped through the doorway during my meditations, but various other gods, spirits, and otherworldly denizens have. To at least some Christians, anything that isn't their god is, by definition, a demon. So yes, there really is some truth to that perspective, as silly as it may seem on the surface.
Can you support your claim that, to christians, any spirit that isn't God is a demon?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Can you support your claim that, to christians, any spirit that isn't God is a demon?

You seriously haven't come across that from the hardcore exclusivist fringes of Christianity? Pardon if I find that a bit incredulous.

Search the internet. You'll find it. I really don't like looking at those things, and I'm not going to dig them up just to show them to you. The places where you find it are typically chock full of vile bigotry and hatred. You can find them on your own.

Also, please note I didn't say "Christians" I said "SOME Christians."
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?

Telling God what to do is better then listening. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/329384.Setting_a_Trap_for_God
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?

No, half of their bible speaks of meditation and they aren't even aware of it and all of Jesus's "take no thought" statements.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?
One of the major authors that influence this point of view is Watchman Nee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchman_Nee

Watchman Nee took the concept of Trinity and applied it to the indivual as being a 3-part person of Body + Soul + Spirit and attached all sorts of superstitions to the Christian faith, doing so with lots of scripture references. Its uncertain whether he originated this information or learned it from someone else; but the Wikipedia article says he got many ideas from the Plymouth Brethren. Plymouth Brethren are famous for one other member in particular, Smith Wigglesworth the miracle healer who was one of the pioneers of modern healing services like you see on TV, calling himself an Apostle etc. (I think it is Wigglesworth who introduces a guilt complex associated with not having enough faith and effectively uses it to manipulate audiences, where for example if you are not miraculously healed its because you lack belief.) For Demonology Nee is the reference you'll find in many Christian bookstores and Church libraries and is quoted by other more recent authors.

See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_demonology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azusa_Street_Revival
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Wigglesworth
http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/199801/070_wigglesworth.cfm
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
No, half of their bible speaks of meditation and they aren't even aware of it and all of Jesus's "take no thought" statements.

Just as Joshua made the sun(higher mind/eastern hemisphere of brain) and moon(lower mind/western hemisphere) of brain stand still(meditation) while men(thoughts) women(emotions) and children(knowledge) were slain and destroyed. The enemies (poor qualities) of the brain/mind being destroyed and conquered with a still mind.

The mythological believer would see a skydaddy making the literal sun and moon stop, and "God" allowing Joshua to shred up, murder, and destroy a bunch of human beings, including children.
 

Seeker of Ka

Asetian
Well if you look at the Christian religion it seems to be based on obedience and being in a constant state of obedience to the trinity (God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit), an easy way to accomplish this is to cut out activities or thoughts that could contradict this. This is why according to the Bible eating from the Tree of Knowledge was forbidden, divination was forbidden, and allowing members of other faiths to live among you was forbidden. Meditation is often used for self contemplation which can lead to spiritual growth and free thought, this is something that Christianity condemns. Christians thus say that when you have errant thoughts that "Demons" can take control of you with them. It is all a system of control. But you asked the question so I told you what I think is the answer.

Blessings of Aset upon you.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
You seriously haven't come across that from the hardcore exclusivist fringes of Christianity? Pardon if I find that a bit incredulous.

Search the internet. You'll find it. I really don't like looking at those things, and I'm not going to dig them up just to show them to you. The places where you find it are typically chock full of vile bigotry and hatred. You can find them on your own.

Also, please note I didn't say "Christians" I said "SOME Christians."
So, no?
 

lovemuffin

τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
One of the major authors that influence this point of view is Watchman Nee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchman_Nee

Watchman Nee took the concept of Trinity and applied it to the indivual as being a 3-part person of Body + Soul + Spirit and attached all sorts of superstitions to the Christian faith, doing so with lots of scripture references. Its uncertain whether he originated this information or learned it from someone else; but the Wikipedia article says he got many ideas from the Plymouth Brethren.

For what it's worth, the tripartite anthropology (body, soul, spirit) doesn't originate with Watchman Nee, it has a fairly long history, in various forms, in Christianity. Cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_(theology)

Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?

With regard to negative Christian attitudes towards meditation, this is probably an oversimplification but I think it can be understood in context of an anti-mystic trend owing in large part to protestantism, especially its rejection of monasticism and the understanding of authority as deriving from the church, or from tradition, in favor of sola scriptura and its model of authority as deriving only from scripture. For example, here is a fairly lengthy essay about Christian mysticism by Benjamin Warfield, a Presbyterian professor of theology at Princeton in the late 19th and early 20th century: http://www.reformedliterature.com/warfield-mysticism-and-christianity.php

Some excerpts which I think get to the most important ideas (highlighting mine):

"We say advisedly, all the religions which men have made for themselves. For there is an even more fundamental division among religions than that which is supplied by these varieties. This is the division between man-made and God-made religions. Besides the religions which man has made for himself, God has made a religion for man. We call this revealed religion; and the most fundamental division which separates between religions is that which divides revealed religion from unrevealed religions.

There is an element in revealed religion, therefore, which is not found in any unrevealed religion. This is the element of authority.


There is a true sense, then, in which it may be said that the unrevealed religions are "religions of the spirit" and revealed religion is the "religion of authority."

It is characteristic of mysticism that it makes its appeal to the feelings as the sole, or at least as the normative, source of knowledge of divine things. That is to say, it is the religious sentiment which constitutes for it the source of religious knowledge.

On the brink of this abyss the mystic may stand in awe, and, standing in awe upon its brink, he may deify it. Then he calls it indifferently Brahm or Zeus, Allah or the Holy Spirit, according as men about him speak of God. He explains its meaning, in other words, in terms of the conception of the universe which he has brought with him, or, as it is more fashionable now to phrase it, each in accordance with his own world-view.

This Christian mysticism, now, obviously differs in no essential respect from the parallel phenomena which are observable in other religions. It is only general mysticism manifesting itself on Christian ground and interpreting itself accordingly in the forms of Christian thought. It is mysticism which has learned to speak in Christian language.

The distinction between mysticism of this type and evangelical Christianity, from the point of view which is now occupying our attention, is nevertheless clear. Evangelical Christianity interprets all religious experience by the normative revelation of God recorded for us in the Holy Scriptures, and guides, directs, and corrects it from these Scriptures, and thus molds it into harmony with what God in His revealed Word lays down as the normal Christian life. The mystic, on the other hand, tends to substitute his religious experience for the objective revelation of God recorded in the written Word, as the source from which he derives his knowledge of God, or at least to subordinate the expressly revealed Word as the less direct and convincing source of knowledge of God to his own religious experience. The result is that the external revelation is relatively depressed in value, if not totally set aside."
To summarize what I think are the salient points, the author (astutely, imo) recognizes that Christian mysticism is not fundamentally (in an ontological or epistemological way) different from mysticism in general, and given the Protestant understanding of authority and revelation, rejects or at least is heavily suspicious of mysticism on the ground that it seems to undermine that understanding. There is more to the article, but I think it's this Protestant view of scripture, revelation, and authority which mainly explains Christian anti-mysticism, and opposition to meditation is connected to that.

It's also for this reason that I think arguments within Christianity about mysticism or meditative practices tend to become arguments about hermeneutics, revelation, and the nature of authority within Christianity.

 

CeilingCat

New Member
I am sorry but sitting quietly and calmly breathing doesn't open doors to mythological characters. Christians believe it does because that is what they are told happens when someone meditates. There is no evidence for this at all. If it were true, then every woman who has ever been taught by medical professionals to use breathing exercises for relaxation while giving birth would be possessed. Nonsense.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I am sorry but sitting quietly and calmly breathing doesn't open doors to mythological characters. Christians believe it does because that is what they are told happens when someone meditates. There is no evidence for this at all. If it were true, then every woman who has ever been taught by medical professionals to use breathing exercises for relaxation while giving birth would be possessed. Nonsense.
True.

By the way that is an exceedingly cool name 'Ceilingcat'. I like!
 

Musty

Active Member
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?

Buddhism promotes the idea that it's possible to find lasting peace of mind internally rather than relying on an external force such as God (And arguably that trying to find it in god is counter-productive). That is a direct threat to any theology so meditation, which plays an important role in learning to look inwards, is also considered to be a threat as so is demonised (Quite literally).
 

Baladas

An Págánach
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?

When I was a Christian, I was always alert for anything that might open me up to "demonic forces".
I never meditated (to my knowledge), and considered it dangerous. I say "to my knowledge" because, in retrospect, my countless moments of contemplative reflection were virtually identical to certain forms of meditation. I was taught to let all thoughts fall away.
To sit quietly and to listen for the voice of God.

Christians are told to "test the spirits" to determine whether or not they are from God.
As far as I remember, the chief requirement was that the "spirit" confess that Jesus is Lord.
In this way, any insight arising from meditation that might threaten a core Christian doctrine (or any Christian doctrine)
is thought to most certainly be a lie from Satan.

At least, this is my experience.

I think that well named is correct in thinking that it may also arise from a bias or fear of mysticism.
 
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Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Prompted by the thread "What is Contemplative Christianity?", where it has been asserted by some posters that meditation "opens one up to demonic forces"... As someone who meditates every day I find this assertion ridiculous. In the context of Christian theology, meditation is prayer. Outside of Christian tradition, as with Buddhism, meditation involves stilling the constant chatter we all have inside our heads to allow clarity of perspective to emerge. Is there any reason beyond simple superstition to impute "demonic activity" to meditation practices?

Before I give my comment I do think it would have been better to use "many" in your title, as not all Christians condemn meditation.

The Christians that condemn such things seem to be closer to the types that take the bible literally.
They like rules. Enough said.
 

arthra

Baha'i
I think you could build a case from Biblical sources alone that most likely Moses, John the Baptist and Jesus spent a long time in the wilderness meditating ...Sometimes they were in solitude and also fasted for days at a time...Prophet Muhammad used to meditate in a cave on Mount Hira overlooking Mecca.
 
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