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Why do liberals and gay rights activists say that gay marriage is similar to interracial marriage?

Do you consider gay marriage to be similar to interracial marriage?


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leibowde84

Veteran Member
Subject title should read like this:- "Why do liberals and gay rights activists say that gay marriage is similar to interracial marriage, when they are clearly not the same?"

Black people are not the same as gay people, who are not the same as disabled people and other minorities. Because two people are classed as minorities - or so-called "protected categories" under European law - doesn't mean that they are "equal" or the same.

Minorities are different and not the same. The only thing they have in common is the fact that all minorities are politically disenfranchised in a different sense to one another. But the difference is far more important than any similarities between them.

Those who are party to gay marriage or interracial marriage have been depicted as "minorities" in their own right; because each group will detract from the social norm of straight marriage between people of the same ethnicity.

However, it would do no justice at all to assume that "gay marriage and interracial marriage are fundamentally the same" since they are clearly not the same.

More importantly, one could say that they are not the same in a fundamental sense because interracial marriage is more acceptable to society than gay marriage. Whereas, a man and woman can always procreate via a natural process, gay people can only do so via deviant methods, such as artificial insemination or surrogacy (although straight couples who are unable to have children will use the same methods to procreate such people are in a small minority, and it doesn't detract from the fact such methods are still considered to be deviant or unnatural by society as a whole).

Not only is interracial marriage more acceptable to society than gay marriage, but same sex marriage is clearly inferior to heterosexual marriage, even between partners of different ethnic origin. Because minorities are different and not the same. Which implies that each minority group will occupy a different space in the social pecking order or social hierarchy; because Hispanic people are not the same as Black people, who're not the same as people of Asian descent.

Since minorities are different and not the same, it means that black people are obviously not the same as gay people, who're not the same as disabled people and other minorities.

Therefore, gay marriage is obviously inferior to straight marriage between men and women no matter what their ethnic background; because different minorities will occupy different space in the social pecking order, but it would do no justice to pretend that such difference do not exist.

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Please discuss this article based on your knowledge of the Bible and/or U.S. and European politics.
This is easy, as you clearly missed the point of the claim that same-sex marriage is similar to interracial marriage. It is not comparing the marriages themselves, it is comparing the circumstances. 50 years ago, interracial marriage was considered to be wrong, sinful, or unnatural. There weren't very good arguments against it beyond ones based on ignorance, religious beliefs, and/or prejudice. The comparison is sort of saying, "why should we listen to anyone claiming that same-sex marriage is unnatural or wrong when 50 years ago people were saying the same thing about interracial marriage." The definition of what acceptable marriage is defined as has changed quite a bit over the years. So, why refuse this change to same-sex couples?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
All the historical examples of what could be termed "marriage" between males I know of consisted of a man and what we would call a trans woman today. One of them took on the feminine or female role and acted as the "wife". I don't know of any historical examples of same-sex marriage between masculine men. That seems to be a very new concept. (I don't know much about historical examples of female homosexual marriages, so I can't comment.)
Can you provide a link to back this up? Why do you think we are only discussing same-sex, masculine marriage?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Listen, I don't care what gays, blacks, and disabled people do because it's none of my business. For as long as what they do doesn't affect what I'm doing then there shouldn't be any problem. But if they crossed the line and tried to compare their own situation to mine then it's a different ball game.

I will leave you alone as long as you leave me alone.
How is comparing their situation to your own affect what you are doing? Couldn't you easily just ignore that comparison and continue living your life in exactly the same way that you did before? If so, that doesn't seem like it has any affect on you whatsoever.
 

McBell

Unbound
Listen, I don't care what gays, blacks, and disabled people do because it's none of my business. For as long as what they do doesn't affect what I'm doing then there shouldn't be any problem. But if they crossed the line and tried to compare their own situation to mine then it's a different ball game.

I will leave you alone as long as you leave me alone.
So you freely admit you are merely chasing your own tail?

I mean, in no way has the comparison effected your life any more than YOU allowed it to.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Subject title should read like this:- "Why do liberals and gay rights activists say that gay marriage is similar to interracial marriage, when they are clearly not the same?"

Black people are not the same as gay people, who are not the same as disabled people and other minorities. Because two people are classed as minorities - or so-called "protected categories" under European law - doesn't mean that they are "equal" or the same.

Minorities are different and not the same. The only thing they have in common is the fact that all minorities are politically disenfranchised in a different sense to one another. But the difference is far more important than any similarities between them.

Those who are party to gay marriage or interracial marriage have been depicted as "minorities" in their own right; because each group will detract from the social norm of straight marriage between people of the same ethnicity.

However, it would do no justice at all to assume that "gay marriage and interracial marriage are fundamentally the same" since they are clearly not the same.

More importantly, one could say that they are not the same in a fundamental sense because interracial marriage is more acceptable to society than gay marriage. Whereas, a man and woman can always procreate via a natural process, gay people can only do so via deviant methods, such as artificial insemination or surrogacy (although straight couples who are unable to have children will use the same methods to procreate such people are in a small minority, and it doesn't detract from the fact such methods are still considered to be deviant or unnatural by society as a whole).

Not only is interracial marriage more acceptable to society than gay marriage, but same sex marriage is clearly inferior to heterosexual marriage, even between partners of different ethnic origin. Because minorities are different and not the same. Which implies that each minority group will occupy a different space in the social pecking order or social hierarchy; because Hispanic people are not the same as Black people, who're not the same as people of Asian descent.

Since minorities are different and not the same, it means that black people are obviously not the same as gay people, who're not the same as disabled people and other minorities.

Therefore, gay marriage is obviously inferior to straight marriage between men and women no matter what their ethnic background; because different minorities will occupy different space in the social pecking order, but it would do no justice to pretend that such difference do not exist.

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Please discuss this article based on your knowledge of the Bible and/or U.S. and European politics.


You cannot possibly be serious?

Please tell me you are a Poe or just drunk.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Can you provide a link to back this up? Why do you think we are only discussing same-sex, masculine marriage?
What do you mean a link? Just look up historical examples of what could be called homosexual marriages. I was just throwing that out there because the thought occurred to me.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
But the fact that you've specifically targeted interracial couples instead of straight white couples is completely unacceptable in the context of this conversation. If straight white couples are also human then why not compare them with homosexual couples? But you won't will you because you know that gay couples are inferior to straight people who're white?

Gay people are clearly inferior to straight people who're white.
Inferior how? Know gay people who depending on your perspective are superior to me in different ways (trains more and is in better physical condition, has a job where they save lives for a living, etc). Of course, I'm superior to them in some ways... like... errr... I know more about physics? Does that count?
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
This is easy, as you clearly missed the point of the claim that same-sex marriage is similar to interracial marriage. It is not comparing the marriages themselves, it is comparing the circumstances. 50 years ago, interracial marriage was considered to be wrong, sinful, or unnatural. There weren't very good arguments against it beyond ones based on ignorance, religious beliefs, and/or prejudice. The comparison is sort of saying, "why should we listen to anyone claiming that same-sex marriage is unnatural or wrong when 50 years ago people were saying the same thing about interracial marriage." The definition of what acceptable marriage is defined as has changed quite a bit over the years. So, why refuse this change to same-sex couples?

I am going to post here just to quote this paragraph of yours in case someone else missed it the first time around.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Races cannot help that they truly were born that way, homosexuals on the other hand were not born that way.
How can you say this like it is a fact?
I know a fair amount about this subject. The genetic component is not clear, but the connection is there. But regardless, few people choose the dreadful inconvenience of being gay. I certainly did not. I tried for years to be normal and it just didn't happen.
Tom
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
Races cannot help that they truly were born that way, homosexuals on the other hand were not born that way.

Even if this were true, what does this have to do with interracial marriage? The fact that you are born in one racial category does not mandate marrying another race. We are here not comparing the etiology of race and sexual orientation; we are comparing opposition to interracial marriage to opposition to same-sex marriage.
 
Even if this were true, what does this have to do with interracial marriage? The fact that you are born in one racial category does not mandate marrying another race. We are here not comparing the etiology of race and sexual orientation; we are comparing opposition to interracial marriage to opposition to same-sex marriage.

The point IS there is a difference... You cannot help what race you are, but you can help which sex you choose to be with.
Homosexuals enjoy playing that game riding on the coat tails of true minorities.
 
How can you say this like it is a fact?
I know a fair amount about this subject. The genetic component is not clear, but the connection is there. But regardless, few people choose the dreadful inconvenience of being gay. I certainly did not. I tried for years to be normal and it just didn't happen.
Tom

You were not born that way and I don't mean that to be rude, you were born to be with a woman.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
You were not born that way and I don't mean that to be rude, you were born to be with a woman.

I have been. Some good ones.
But it didn't work and I don't have any need to justify myself to you.
One good thing about the mainstreaming of gay people is the reduction in abortion and neglected children. One of the ways people try to "straighten" themselves out is irresponsible sex and even marriage. That doesn't tend to work out well for the kids.
Tom
 
I have been. Some good ones.
But it didn't work and I don't have any need to justify myself to you.
One good thing about the mainstreaming of gay people is the reduction in abortion and neglected children. One of the ways people try to "straighten" themselves out is irresponsible sex and even marriage. That doesn't tend to work out well for the kids.
Tom
Are you christian? If so then you should know who you are in Christ and its not homosexual as that does not define you.
 
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