Why do muslims hate democracy

[Al-Fatihah]

ISIL insists that it's based upon Islam and the Koran. Hence, the I in ISIL.

Response: Yet your logic is that something can be judged on what it does not say. Therefore, your own words show that Islam is just despite you never saying it. Thanks.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

The "challenge" (which you can't even answer yourself) was answered. You didn't like the answer. The Quran is not divine, because people here in the US conquer entire neighborhoods without the consent of the citizens, everyday- without the Quran. Also, the Quran cannot even help Muslims conquer their own economic status. Allah should be embarrassed.

Meeting of Fresh and Salt Water in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

Response: The challenge clearly states for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer and rule a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. So have you conquered and ruled a nation? NO. Have you conquered and ruled the street you live on? NO. Thus you've done absolutely nothing in answering the challenge and have been dodging it from the beginning. Thus your ducking and dodging to attempt the challenge once again confirms your denial to the fact that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah.

 

[Harikrish]

Response: The beauty of the Qur'an exist, regardless of whether you read it or not. Unfortunately, Western policies of imperialism and lust discourages humanity from its beauty.

If the Quran is so beautiful why are so many Muslims forced to stay illiterate, who will never be able to read it and realize its beauty.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

If the Quran is so beautiful why are so many Muslims forced to stay illiterate, who will never be able to read it and realize its beauty.

Response: The prophet Himself was illiterate and was the one responsible for delivering the revelation. So your argument from illiteracy is invalid and actually points to the miraculous nature of the Qur'an since it is memorized and unchanged, despite being passed on from the illiterate.

 

[sojourner]

Response: Again, saying you do not have to use the Qur'an and Sunnah to judge Islam means that one can judge a teaching based on what it does not teach. Then according to your own logic. your own words say that Islam is just whether you say it does or not. Debunked by your own logic as usual.

So, what is Islam again? "Submission" to... what? God, or a book?? Is Islam a "teaching," or is it an act? I'm not judging teachings here. I'm observing acts.

 

[sojourner]

Response: The prophet Himself was illiterate and was the one responsible for delivering the revelation. So your argument from illiteracy is invalid and actually points to the miraculous nature of the Qur'an since it is memorized and unchanged, despite being passed on from the illiterate.

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[Harikrish]

Response: The prophet Himself was illiterate and was the one responsible for delivering the revelation. So your argument from illiteracy is invalid and actually points to the miraculous nature of the Qur'an since it is memorized and unchanged, despite being passed on from the illiterate.

But Mohammad has God speaking to him and help from his many many educated wives. The average Muslim is not only illiterate but also without the means to surround himself with educated wives which is another rare commodity for Muslims. Is it any wonder why he spend 5 times a day gently banging his head on the floor.

 

[YmirGF]

So, what is Islam again? "Submission" to... what? God, or a book?? Is Islam a "teaching," or is it an act? I'm not judging teachings here. I'm observing acts.

It is submission to a book, but they like to pretend the book is from god.

 

[sojourner]

It is submission to a book, but they like to pretend the book is from god.

Sooo...

There are the Random House Muslims, the Simon and Schuster Muslims, the Penguin Muslims, Doubleday Muslims, the Knopf Muslims, the Scribner Muslims, the McGraw-Hill Muslims, the Houghlin-Mifflin Muslims...

Right?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

So, what is Islam again? "Submission" to... what? God, or a book?? Is Islam a "teaching," or is it an act? I'm not judging teachings here. I'm observing acts.

Response: Exactly. Observing acts that are not taught in Islam and calling it Islam. So since it's perfectly fine to judge something based on acts it does not teach, then using your own logic, Islam is beautiful and just based on your failed act to quote anything from the Qur'an or Sunnah to show otherwise. Debunked by your own logic as usual.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

That doesn't answer the question.

Response: Your weak rebuttal says otherwise.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

But Mohammad has God speaking to him and help from his many many educated wives. The average Muslim is not only illiterate but also without the means to surround himself with educated wives which is another rare commodity for Muslims. Is it any wonder why he spend 5 times a day gently banging his head on the floor.

Response: And Muhammad was still illiterate as well as many early Muslims, yet the Qur'an is still uncorrupted and memorized after his death. So your point remains invalid, and only demonstrates the miracle of the Qur'an.

 

[sojourner]

Response: Exactly. Observing acts that are not taught in Islam and calling it Islam. So since it's perfectly fine to judge something based on acts it does not teach, then using your own logic, Islam is beautiful and just based on your failed act to quote anything from the Qur'an or Sunnah to show otherwise. Debunked by your own logic as usual.

So, if Islam is a (presumably perfect, since it comes form God) teaching, why are there differing interpretations of that teaching by obedient, submissive Muslims? That would suggest a couple of things: 1) That the teachings are not perfect, and 2) that they are up for interpretation, meaning that the acts resulting from such interpretations are the only directly-observable manifestations of such interpretations by submissive Muslims.

 

[Shad]

Response: to the contrary, the West went to war with the Ottomans and defeated them. Then divided them into states based on nationality and used divide and conquer tactics to keep the Muslims disunited in order to maintain their materialistic ambitions. So Muslim world ahs been striving to climb out of the horrible conditions employed by the deceptive tactics of the West since then.

Read Ottoman history in the 1800s. It was in decline and losing martial and economic warfare for a century. There were a number of revolts, civil wars and revolts not just one war. There is a reason the Ottoman Empire was called the Sick Man of Europe. It lost a series of wars over a century which cost it half it's territory. Now why did they lose these wars. If you look at history you see it is due to the very reason I stated. By the time the Empire entered WW1 it had already lost most of it's territory.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

So, if Islam is a (presumably perfect, since it comes form God) teaching, why are there differing interpretations of that teaching by obedient, submissive Muslims? That would suggest a couple of things: 1) That the teachings are not perfect, and 2) that they are up for interpretation, meaning that the acts resulting from such interpretations are the only directly-observable manifestations of such interpretations by submissive Muslims.

Response: It means that the teachings are clear, supported by your inability (once again and as usual) to quote and show otherwise, while the different interpretations are due to one purposely distorting it to suffice their own personal desires.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Read Ottoman history in the 1800s. It was in decline and losing martial and economic warfare for a century. There were a number of revolts, civil wars and revolts not just one war. There is a reason the Ottoman Empire was called the Sick Man of Europe. It lost a series of wars over a century which cost it half it's territory. Now why did they lose these wars. If you look at history you see it is due to the very reason I stated. By the time the Empire entered WW1 it had already lost most of it's territory.

Response: All of which makes my point. That they lost the wars. Yet they did not just lose. They were divided and used against each other with divide and conquer tactics by the West. Then the future leaders were aided and supported by the West through deception and propaganda to keep the Muslims divided to this day. So your argument only makes my point.

 

[sojourner]

Response: It means that the teachings are clear, supported by your inability (once again and as usual) to quote and show otherwise, while the different interpretations are due to one purposely distorting it to suffice their own personal desires.

With the number of sects and sub-sects of Islam, each largely denouncing the other, the teachings don't seem to be all that "clear"...

 

[Phil25]

@Al-Fatihah
Do you ever get anything wrong?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

@Al-Fatihah
Do you ever get anything wrong?

Response: What is wrong can be shown by proving what is false in it.

 

[Phil25]

@alfatihah

Why do you always write "Response" before your reply?