No, because capitalism is not dependent on resources
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Why do people make children?
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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Do you know that the 85% of kids born into this world are made by parents who can't afford them?
Capitalism is the law of the fittest.
The fittest prevail and crush the weakest, who succumb.
How children ruin a marriage.
Koldo
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Great. Based on what do you believe their chances are good? If they were good, wouldn't most people be rich by now? Or at least, shouldn't the poor be very rare?
How exactly does it refute my claim?
If I am saying the poors are losers under capitalism, how does the existence of people that became rich (and were once poor) contradict what I am saying?
Losers can become winners, I have never said otherwise. But as long as they remain poor they are losers.
I'm talking about the USA; not everywhere else.
Yes; pure capitalism can be that way; that's why nobody employs strictly capitalist economic systems, in the US and most places we have a market system which has capitalism as a major component, but laws in place keeping the negative aspects of capitalism at bay, and usually just enough socialism to keep the poor fed and sheltered.
There was a study that showed if you do 3 things:
*Graduate high school
*Don’t have kids till age 25
*Have a job
If you do those 3 things you have only a 2% chance of being in poverty in the USA. Now how difficult is that? 100% of the people I know who are poor did not do those 3 things; how many people do you know who have done those things are are still poor?
What is your definition of a loser?
Koldo
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Great. Now, what are the odds of a poor person doing those 3 things and becoming rich?
Because we are not talking about merely getting out of poverty. We are talking about a poor person becoming rich.
Are you willfully changing the subject because you can't defend your position?
The losers in any economic system are those that have to work in crappy jobs, earning crappy wages, particularly if this results in very limited access to goods and services. Their social status is also quite low.
I don't know
Again; I never suggested a person is likely to get rich, only that their chances are good. What I meant by a good chance is that the opportunity is there for them.
What makes a job crappy? What are crappy wages? What type of goods and services do they have limited access to?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
So if the opportunity is out there, that somehow entails there is a good chance? By this rationale, the existence of the powerball would suffice...
If a job pays low wages and most people that have this job stick to it merely because of a lack of opportunity to work with something else, it is a crappy job.
If the wages are so low that an average Joe can't afford the bare minimum to ensure his survival, like buying regular food, clothes and paying ordinary bills (including health services), then those wages are crappy.
True.
Like a starter job? Fair enough. I don't consider someone working a starter job to be a loser in capitalism, perhaps we can agree to disagree with that one.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Then your position is downright silly. By your standards, there has never been a time and/or place where the poor didn't have a good chance at becoming rich. Marrying nobility, succeeding in a coup and so on...
It is not as much of a problem if it is actually a starter job. A starter job entails that one will develop skills on it and eventually acquire a new job. That is very often not the case.
Every system is dependent on resources. Are you blind?
"An economy is a complex system of interrelated production, consumption, and exchange activities that ultimately determines how resources are allocated among all the participants."
Economy: What It Is, Types of Economies, Economic Indicators
An economy is a system of production and consumption activities that determine how resources are allocated among all of its participants. Learn how it works.
And in our system we even created a new resource (money). Which is governed by the resource of having a job.
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No such thing. An entry level job exists. But a starter job, like a starter home is a fallacy.
A home is a home and a job is a job. There is no degree of separation.
It's just a justification of worthy vs unworthy.
Capitalism is a load of rubbish that is destroying the planet.
www.britannica.com
Britannica Money
Capitalism, economic system, dominant in the Western world since the breakup of feudalism, in which most means of production are privately held and production, prices, and incomes are determined by markets. Learn more about the history and development of capitalism in this article.
By YOUR standards they don't have a good chance, by MY standards they do.
Very often it IS the case.
Really? Then what limited depleting, resource is the mega-corporation Amazon depended upon?Every system is dependent on resources. Are you blind?
"An economy is a complex system of interrelated production, consumption, and exchange activities that ultimately determines how resources are allocated among all the participants."
Economy: What It Is, Types of Economies, Economic Indicators
An economy is a system of production and consumption activities that determine how resources are allocated among all of its participants. Learn how it works.www.investopedia.com
And in our system we even created a new resource (money). Which is governed by the resource of having a job.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Because your standards are ridiculous on this issue. You consider the existence of a very small chance as a good chance.
But very often it is not. And the people occupying this position are the losers in capitalism.
Labour. Money. Oil. Wood Pulp. Rubber. Power (electricity)........... I'm not sure what you're missing?
Let me give you a personal example. When I was a kid, I had no work experience, despite my efforts the only place that would hire me was McDonalds; a part time job at minimum wage. I worked at McDonalds for a couple of years, learned various job skills to include cooking, selling, janitorial, and inventory. Eventually my inventory skills allowed me to get a union job at a warehouse. Had I never worked at Mc Donalds, I would have never learned the skill to get that union job. I know people who got jobs at Walmart because that was the only place that would hire them, and after a few years learning those skills they took those skills to a Union store like Safeway, or Fred Myers that pay living wages. When I say Starter Jobs I'm talking about jobs like McDonalds or Walmart; that allows you to learn their skills and eventually you can take those skills elsewhere with better pay. This happens all the time.