Why Do Theists Believe In God?

[Kenny]

Yes I am certainly understanding your Judeo-Christian take on how to attain perfection of man. We Hindus attain it through the yoga of satya-advaita in a practical way without the baggage of delusions inherent in the Abrahamic religions.

OK... the best on your journey.

When I gave my life to Jesus, my baggage was removed.

Have a great week,

Ken

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Because just because you say so doesn't it make it so. OR maybe it is just a different perspective.

Not at all: the proof is that NONE of these disparate groups are willing to put aside their differences, and join under one name.

Observed FACT, in fact. Which you conveniently attempt to brush off as 'nothing'.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Hmmmm....

I've read a plethora of "statements of faith" and I haven't found one I didn't agree with. But I'm sure I would eventually find one.

Yet, there are 45,000 different, competing brands of 'christian'.

And the number continues to rise-- sometimes over the silliest of stupid things-- but over which, historically, they have gone to war over...

My point continues to stand, unrefuted: The fact of 45,000+ different brands?

Proves beyond a doubt, none have an actual god behind them-- such disharmony?

Is ample proof there is no actual Divine Guidance behind any of them.

 

[Kenny]

Not at all: the proof is that NONE of these disparate groups are willing to put aside their differences, and join under one name.

Observed FACT, in fact. Which you conveniently attempt to brush off as 'nothing'.

So, here we are, I am working with all denominations and Bob "the unbeliever" says we aren't putting aside our differences. Here I am, eating with all denominations under the banner of Jesus, and Bob "the unbeliever" says we are not joined under one name.

Hmmmmm.....

 

[Kenny]

Yet, there are 45,000 different, competing brands of 'christian'.

And the number continues to rise-- sometimes over the silliest of stupid things-- but over which, historically, they have gone to war over...

My point continues to stand, unrefuted: The fact of 45,000+ different brands?

Proves beyond a doubt, none have an actual god behind them-- such disharmony?

Is ample proof there is no actual Divine Guidance behind any of them.

You call them "brands" and I call them "different parts of the same body". Perspective? Were you hurt? A bur?

 

[Shantanu]

OK... the best on your journey.

When I gave my life to Jesus, my baggage was removed.

Have a great week,

Ken

Thanks for all the valuable information Ken.

 

[nPeace]

there is a difference between different translations and different Bibles.

The Mormons and the JW got there Bibles by an angel that said "I'm giving you the correct translations" (paraphrased)

That is called a different bible.

Yes, all the others are different translations

Is this your version of truth?
Then surely rather than stating what to millions is clearly erroneous, perhaps you can produce some sort of evidence that can substantiate such a claim. I am sure there are non-witnesses on RF that can tell you, you are wrong.

So where is the credible source to back up your claim? Surely it can't be you, because the statement you made is far from credible. It's obviously false.
Remember, we are admonished to speak truth, so if you are unable to backup your statements, then you should be honest enough to admit you are in error. Perhaps you were misled by someone, but whatever the case, surely humility would not not hold us back from correcting a mistake that amounts to something as serious as slander.

 

[nPeace]

So, here we are, I am working with all denominations and Bob "the unbeliever" says we aren't putting aside our differences. Here I am, eating with all denominations under the banner of Jesus, and Bob "the unbeliever" says we are not joined under one name.

Hmmmmm.....

...and Bob seems to be right considering. I am also wondering, in what way you are working with them. I'm sure Bob would be interested in hearing too.

 

[Katzpur]

You can find them. The JW use a different Bible and the Mormons use a different Bible and thus a different Christianity.

The Mormon Bible is not a different translation, but indeed a different Bible, so LDS claim that there are two Bibles God gave us.

Mormons use primarily the KJV, but occasionally use other translations. The Book of Mormon is no more a "different Bible" than the Watchtower is.

 

[Katzpur]

The Mormons and the JW got there Bibles by an angel that said "I'm giving you the correct translations" (paraphrased)

That is called a different bible.

What the hell are you talking about? Mormons use the KJV.

 

[Kenny]

Is this your version of truth?
Then surely rather than stating what to millions is clearly erroneous, perhaps you can produce some sort of evidence that can substantiate such a claim. I am sure there are non-witnesses on RF that can tell you, you are wrong.

So where is the credible source to back up your claim? Surely it can't be you, because the statement you made is far from credible. It's obviously false.
Remember, we are admonished to speak truth, so if you are unable to backup your statements, then you should be honest enough to admit you are in error. Perhaps you were misled by someone, but whatever the case, surely humility would not not hold us back from correcting a mistake that amounts to something as serious as slander.

Mormons:
The Prophet Joseph noticed also that the angel Moroni quoted some passages that differed from those found in our present King James Version. (JS—H 1:36–40.) Later, in explaining how he felt about the Bible, the Prophet said: “From sundry revelations which had been received, it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of man, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled.” (Documentary History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 245.)
Joseph Smith’s Inspired Translation of the Bible - ensign

Actually, upon deeper study, I was wrong about the JW. I apologize. One for learning.

Their view is simply that Jesus was Michael the Arch-angel.

 

[Katzpur]

Mormons:
The Prophet Joseph noticed also that the angel Moroni quoted some passages that differed from those found in our present King James Version. (JS—H 1:36–40.) Later, in explaining how he felt about the Bible, the Prophet said: “From sundry revelations which had been received, it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of man, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled.” (Documentary History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 245.)
Joseph Smith’s Inspired Translation of the Bible - ensign

Actually, upon deeper study, I was wrong about the JW. I apologize. One for learning.

Their view is simply that Jesus was Michael the Arch-angel.

Joseph Smith also said, "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors.” Do you believe that every one of the hundreds of individuals who were involved in preserving, compiling, transcribing and translating the ancient texts that make up the Bible did their job perfectly? Is it possible that errors could have crept in over time or that certain writings that should have been included in the canon might not have been? Do you believe the Bible is complete and inerrant? If so, why?

 

[Kenny]

...and Bob seems to be right considering. I am also wondering, in what way you are working with them. I'm sure Bob would be interested in hearing too.

Prayer night for the National Day of Prayer. Working together for helping community -- fixing schools, special needs of people, fixing homes etc.(about 50 cross-denominational churches)l County wide Evangelism event. Special nights of worship (together). Then you have pastoral lunches where one shares the word to all. Retreats (sometimes)

Then you have sub groups (smaller groups working together). Men's conferences, women's conferences - and these are only the ones I know about (it's a big county)

 

[Kenny]

Mormons use primarily the KJV, but occasionally use other translations. The Book of Mormon is no more a "different Bible" than the Watchtower is.

My sister was a Mormon for 20 years. Their Book of Mormons is considered the actual word of God. The others are important (KJV) but not relied on when The Book of Mormons says otherwise..

 

[Kenny]

What the hell are you talking about? Mormons use the KJV.

Didn't say they don't. But they don't consider it as the actual word as they do with the Book of Mormon. Unless my sister, who was a Mormon for 20 years, is mistaken.

 

[Kenny]

Joseph Smith also said, "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors.” Do you believe that every one of the hundreds of individuals who were involved in preserving, compiling, transcribing and translating the ancient texts that make up the Bible did their job perfectly? Is it possible that errors could have crept in over time or that certain writings that should have been included in the canon might not have been? Do you believe the Bible is complete and inerrant? If so, why?

The only "inerrant" Bible would be in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew scriptures. But the voluminous amount of fragments and/or books are so plentiful, as well as Hebrew/Greeek dictionaries, that today we pretty much know what it says.

I'm not aware of any "horrible" errors that changes the message. It is estimated that it is 99.5% correct and the .5 can be figured out.

How Accurate is the Bible?

 

[nPeace]

Mormons use primarily the KJV, but occasionally use other translations. The Book of Mormon is no more a "different Bible" than the Watchtower is.

Oh. Thank you for that.
Is that an adjustment, because I have known of Mormons for many years, and have spoken to a few, who said it was a Bible.
Doesn't the word Bible mean, little books?
The Watchtower is a journal which carry articles on a variety of topics, that aid in understanding the Bible.
Is that the purpose of the Book of Mormon?

 

[nPeace]

Mormons:
The Prophet Joseph noticed also that the angel Moroni quoted some passages that differed from those found in our present King James Version. (JS—H 1:36–40.) Later, in explaining how he felt about the Bible, the Prophet said: “From sundry revelations which had been received, it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of man, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled.” (Documentary History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 245.)
Joseph Smith’s Inspired Translation of the Bible - ensign

Actually, upon deeper study, I was wrong about the JW. I apologize. One for learning.

Their view is simply that Jesus was Michael the Arch-angel.

Thank you.

Prayer night for the National Day of Prayer. Working together for helping community -- fixing schools, special needs of people, fixing homes etc.(about 50 cross-denominational churches)l County wide Evangelism event. Special nights of worship (together). Then you have pastoral lunches where one shares the word to all. Retreats (sometimes)

Then you have sub groups (smaller groups working together). Men's conferences, women's conferences - and these are only the ones I know about (it's a big county)

Thanks. Are the SDA, and LDS involved?

My sister was a Mormon for 20 years. Their Book of Mormons is considered the actual word of God. The others are important (KJV) but not relied on when The Book of Mormons says otherwise..

I understand this to be true as well.

 

[Kenny]

Thanks. Are the SDA, and LDS involved?

LDS - no.

SDA? Not familiar with the abbreviation. Can you help?

 

[nPeace]

LDS - no.

SDA? Not familiar with the abbreviation. Can you help?

Seventh Day Adventist aka (SDA.