Why do you come here? (To atheists)

[SnifferOuter77]

the way I am thinking has not changed at all in the course of this conversation, I remain convinced that you can have a sceptical AND open mind.

now, if I may accuse you for what you accused me, I believe that people who believe in a holy book are more close minded than sceptics because most of them ( see how I acnowledge that there could be exceptions) cannot accept or even consider anything that would even remotly contredict their scripture.

Good you say most, because for all I know the Bible's been tampered with throughout the hundreds of thousands of translations it's undergone. But there are a few facts that are being proven right now, like the fact that people actually were having visions that revealed amazing things to them, and these visions were induced by ayahuasca(DMT). Youtube or google DMT yourself and be blown away, simple as that. And then if you still don't believe me or proof done by others, do it yourself. Induce DMT and watch what happens. They've got a movie based on it coming out next year called Limitless, about a drug that stimulates that other 80% of our minds we "can't" use(we can now). Remember also, DMT is the ONLY "drug" to become a Federal Offense, and it's not even a drug. It's in you, me, plants, and animals.

 

[micrurus]

Yeah, it's possible to trip balls au naturale (especially during oxygen deprivation or high stress) but that doesn't mean your "consciousness is heightened" or that you gain magic powers, sorry. Feeling like you can fly doesn't mean you can actually fly either.

I would be interesting to note that there have been alot of people on LSD that jumped out of windows thinking that they could fly.

it wasen't pretty

 

[SnifferOuter77]

I've done natural things like mushrooms and mescaline. Is salvia natural? I've done the designer stuff too (my favorite was 2CE), but the reason any psychedelics work at all is because there are already receptors in your brain that the active substances latch on to, implying that your brain already has natural psychedelic equivalents.

Yeah, it's possible to trip balls au naturale (especially during oxygen deprivation or high stress) but that doesn't mean your "consciousness is heightened" or that you gain magic powers, sorry. Feeling like you can fly doesn't mean you can actually fly either.

Actually no, what drugs do is block your receptors causing your dopamine to build up causing euphoria. DMT doesn't block anything it flows right through causing your mind to undergo trauma and release itself from its structured thought pattern. The CIA uses DMT and shock therapy for the same stuff, rupturing those patterns made up in our mind over time after life's influence on them.

 

[Meow Mix]

Good you say most, because for all I know the Bible's been tampered with throughout the hundreds of thousands of translations it's undergone. But there are a few facts that are being proven right now, like the fact that people actually were having visions that revealed amazing things to them, and these visions were induced by ayahuasca(DMT). Youtube or google DMT yourself and be blown away, simple as that. And then if you still don't believe me or proof done by others, do it yourself. Induce DMT and watch what happens. They've got a movie based on it coming out next year called Limitless, about a drug that stimulates that other 80% of our minds we "can't" use(we can now). Remember also, DMT is the ONLY "drug" to become a Federal Offense, and it's not even a drug. It's in you, me, plants, and animals.

It seems you aren't aware of much biochemistry/neurology, considering there still isn't reliable evidence that DMT is even generated at all in humans. Also, the idea that "we don't use 80% of our brains" is a myth without any basis whatsoever in reality. We do in fact use nearly all of our brains, just never at the same time -- when that happens, it's called a "seizure."

There is nothing mystical about DMT other than it's a psychoactive substance -- you are too credulous to take at face value all the hooplah that it gives magic powers that have been cropping up lately; especially considering the utter lack of evidence. If you assert there is evidence, then please provide it, don't just say "google it yourself" because the only thing that comes up on google searches are highly dubious websites that could have been written by anybody and which don't present any real science.

 

[micrurus]

snifferouter77, your example of drugs is actually interesting, I am my self particulary interested in the general field of biology, and I have done alot of reasurch on all sorts of drugs and the way they chemicly work. ive also have been under influence in my life but not to the high level drugs that you are describing.

when I draw conclusions from something, I also take occam's razzor into account, meaning that the most simple explination is probably the right one. I have spent time in the company of many people that ware under the influence of many things. I know people that are convinced that they saw a slice of pizza turn into a lizzard and crawl off of the table.

but, when you seek the truth, I think that the most important thing of all is that you need to be aware that your perception of the world is never totaly accurate. and you sould know that the accuracy of your perception rarely increaces when you are under influence.

all these things into concideration (I think that you can logically ling them together yourself), I have NEVER seen, whitessed, heard of, or been in a case that i could not atribute to logical effect that the substance should have on a body.

 

[SnifferOuter77]

It seems you aren't aware of much biochemistry/neurology, considering there still isn't reliable evidence that DMT is even generated at all in humans.

You're kidding me right? Um... let me just say **** evidence they're way past that DMT is in everyone's brain. You're literally talking out your *** saying that it's not. Remember in school when you learned that the Egyptians suck the brains out of all their dead right after they die? Well they did it right through the nose which leads to the pineal gland, and this is why.

 

[Meow Mix]

Actually no, what drugs do is block your receptors causing your dopamine to build up causing euphoria. DMT doesn't block anything it flows right through causing your mind to undergo trauma and release itself from its structured thought pattern. The CIA uses DMT and shock therapy for the same stuff, rupturing those patterns made up in our mind over time after life's influence on them.

SOME drugs cause dopamine to build up but you're sort of classifying all drugs into one class, which is wrong. For instance LSD blocks a specific serotonin receptor -- but what do you think "blocking" is? It means it fits right in there like a puzzle piece, which is what I (correctly) stated. This means that your brain can naturally induce the same effects in times of stress or deprivation by releasing the natural equivalent and blocking the same receptors. What I said was true.

Also, you're wrong. DMT does block things. The reason why it works at all is because it's structurally analogous to serotonin (much like most psychoactive substances).

You shouldn't believe all the hype you read on pseudoscience websites and start looking into the real deal, bro.

 

[Meow Mix]

You're kidding me right? Um... let me just say **** evidence they're way past that DMT is in everyone's brain. You're literally talking out your *** saying that it's not. Remember in school when you learned that the Egyptians suck the brains out of all their dead right after they die? Well they did it right through the nose which leads to the pineal gland, and this is why.

No, I'm not kidding. There is no solid evidence that DMT is produced in any working quantities in the pineal gland (though it is a by-product of some metabolism in miniscule, even negligible amounts and so is found naturally in the body in trace amounts).

Also, it's a pretty ludicrous claim to assert that Egyptians knew anything about biochemistry and specifically took the brain out through the nasal cavity because of it. Do you have evidence for any of your claims or do you just sort of believe things all willy-nilly that you think sound cool?

 

[SnifferOuter77]

snifferouter77, your example of drugs is actually interesting, I am my self particulary interested in the general field of biology, and I have done alot of reasurch on all sorts of drugs and the way they chemicly work. ive also have been under influence in my life but not to the high level drugs that you are describing.

when I draw conclusions from something, I also take occam's razzor into account, meaning that the most simple explination is probably the right one. I have spent time in the company of many people that ware under the influence of many things. I know people that are convinced that they saw a slice of pizza turn into a lizzard and crawl off of the table.

K those high level drugs you're talking about, I've done them. I've experienced crazy **** from substances. But those substances include bacteria and slow the mind's reactions to its own thoughts, causing halucenations. DMT however is not the same, when you do it you do not feel intoxicated. Your brain actually functions much much faster due to the extra oxygen flowing through from the DMT. Acid comes from mold, so you could never compare it to DMT.

 

[micrurus]

You're kidding me right? Um... let me just say **** evidence they're way past that DMT is in everyone's brain. You're literally talking out your *** saying that it's not. Remember in school when you learned that the Egyptians suck the brains out of all their dead right after they die? Well they did it right through the nose which leads to the pineal gland, and this is why.

It doesnt matter if it is naturally occurant in you system, the thing that matter is how that a drug effects it.

for instance, methamphetamines activate dopemine producors and receptors in the brain, but crystal meth makes your brain produce 6 times more dopamne than naturally possobly. it switches your brain into overdrive, creates and unnatural chemical environment in your brain and you wil have experiances for which your brain is not equipped.

 

[micrurus]

actually, I hereby want to note that I think that a life with natural highs and lows is infinatly more valiuable than one with artificial highs and lows.

 

[Meow Mix]

K those high level drugs you're talking about, I've done them. I've experienced crazy **** from substances. But those substances include bacteria and slow the mind's reactions to its own thoughts, causing halucenations. DMT however is not the same, when you do it you do not feel intoxicated. Your brain actually functions much much faster due to the extra oxygen flowing through from the DMT. Acid comes from mold, so you could never compare it to DMT.

DMT doesn't speed up your thoughts or reactions, lol. Where do you get this stuff?

If you're going to make claims why don't you please justify them? Anyone can type outrageous nonsense and claim it's true, after all.

 

[SnifferOuter77]

No, I'm not kidding. There is no solid evidence that DMT is produced in any working quantities in the pineal gland (though it is a by-product of some metabolism in miniscule, even negligible amounts and so is found naturally in the body in trace amounts).

Also, it's a pretty ludicrous claim to assert that Egyptians knew anything about biochemistry and specifically took the brain out through the nasal cavity because of it. Do you have evidence for any of your claims or do you just sort of believe things all willy-nilly that you think sound cool?

Yes I do. Egyptians were crazy about the third eye, if you don't know that then you're from a different planet. The third eye IS the pineal gland. Don't know who didn't tell you that honestly....... anyway for the rest of the FACTS you're claiming "haven't been proven" like I said the proving stage ended long ago, now it's just people like you neglecting the truth. Watch DMT The Spirit Molecule. You can buy it, rent it, or pull it up on youtube.

 

[micrurus]

K those high level drugs you're talking about, I've done them. I've experienced crazy **** from substances. But those substances include bacteria and slow the mind's reactions to its own thoughts, causing halucenations. DMT however is not the same, when you do it you do not feel intoxicated. Your brain actually functions much much faster due to the extra oxygen flowing through from the DMT. Acid comes from mold, so you could never compare it to DMT.

I know that you ment acid, I knew from the start that you ment acid, I know the political history about acid, I know what acid chemicaly does to you brain and furthermore, I have had A 4 hour conversation with 2 people who was on acid. what was most interesting about that, was that when the ware sober again,they asked me what that conversation was about because they could barely remember it.

 

[Meow Mix]

Yes I do. Egyptians were crazy about the third eye, if you don't know that then you're from a different planet. The third eye IS the pineal gland. Don't know who didn't tell you that honestly....... anyway for the rest of the FACTS you're claiming "haven't been proven" like I said the proving stage ended long ago, now it's just people like you neglecting the truth. Watch DMT The Spirit Molecule. You can buy it, rent it, or pull it up on youtube.

This is pseudohistorical nonsense. What evidence do you have whatsoever that Egyptians equated the pineal gland to "the third eye?"

It's sort of difficult to complain that people are "neglecting the truth" when you're refusing to provide any evidence whatsoever, isn't it?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Good you say most, because for all I know the Bible's been tampered with throughout the hundreds of thousands of translations it's undergone. But there are a few facts that are being proven right now, like the fact that people actually were having visions that revealed amazing things to them, and these visions were induced by ayahuasca(DMT). Youtube or google DMT yourself and be blown away, simple as that. And then if you still don't believe me or proof done by others, do it yourself. Induce DMT and watch what happens. They've got a movie based on it coming out next year called Limitless, about a drug that stimulates that other 80% of our minds we "can't" use(we can now). Remember also, DMT is the ONLY "drug" to become a Federal Offense, and it's not even a drug. It's in you, me, plants, and animals.

Its a drug albeit naturally occurring in trace amounts in the body comparable to serotonin. Stuff like that only trips you out. Nothing else comes of it other than its psychedelic effects. At least its not appearing to have any addiction potential, but I wouldn't want to see someone trying to drive a car under its influence.

True as you said, DMT is illegal in the US (Classified as a schedule 1 drug) and can get you arrested and thrown in prison.
(An exception has been made to UDV adherents for use in a ceremonial tea under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act)

 

[SnifferOuter77]

This is pseudohistorical nonsense. What evidence do you have whatsoever that Egyptians equated the pineal gland to "the third eye?"

It's sort of difficult to complain that people are "neglecting the truth" when you're refusing to provide any evidence whatsoever, isn't it?

This is hilarious. You want to find out about the Egyptians and their beliefs structured around the third eye, read about Egyptians. I'm not gonna sit and read it to you like I'm ******* Mother Goose.

 

[Jeremiah]

If you don't believe in god, or subscribe to a religion... why come to a religious forum to take time from your god-less life and discuss religion?

For the diversity. I tried a few atheist forums, they seemed nice but they constantly were agreeing with each other. How can you have a stimulating debate if everyone agrees? It is not even a debate at that point. The best thing to do is to debate with people who disagree with you, as you need conflicting views for a good debate.

 

[micrurus]

The drug COMES from it. It's already there, but adding more does insane things to you. You ever heard of adrenal chrome? It's the same principle how that stuff works. It's produced by the human adrenal gland, and if you induce it you go insane. DMT has a different purpose in us than adrenal chrome but people's reaction to more of it flowing through them is very profound.

I understand everything that you are saying, I just dont atribute it to something unearthly because I have an earthly explanation.

thats occam's razor and there is nothing wrong or narrowminded with making a logical step like that.

 

[Meow Mix]

Jesus Christ kid how can I prove what it does to you with this keyboard other than giving you the sources to find yourself or shoving it down your ******* throat?! If you're so curious take some initiative, grow some balls, and find out. It's not hard.

You're really giving me nothing to work with here, you might as well hand me your morning coffee so I can slip some of this in it and just let you find out the real way.

The drug COMES from it. It's already there, but adding more does insane things to you. You ever heard of adrenal chrome? It's the same principle how that stuff works. It's produced by the human adrenal gland, and if you induce it you go insane. DMT has a different purpose in us than adrenal chrome but people's reaction to more of it flowing through them is very profound.

It's easy, this is what you do: you search through medical journals, neurology journals, and the like and you find some way to substantiate your claims with actual evidence.

For instance, the claim that DMT is produced in the pineal gland: can you produce a shred of medical evidence that this is the case? Please note that this claim comes from one guy in the 60's or 70's and has never been substantiated medically. So, on what basis do you assert that it's true? You can't discover that DMT is produced in the pineal gland by imbibing DMT, can you? Of course not.

Please substantiate that claim.

How about the claim that DMT gives you telepathic powers? Where are the peer-reviewed scientific journals that have investigated such a claim and found it to be true?

How about the claim that DMT speeds up your thinking process? Doesn't that sort of fly in the face with the known negative effects of long-term DMT use such as memory loss and slowing in performance on cognitive tests?