Why Do You Reject Jesus?

[IndigoChild5559]

"YHWH is the Eternal God" is desperately cried out !! followed by personal invective .. desperate to demonize the messenger -- classic Ad Hom Fallacy.

Apparently you have no idea what an ad hominem attack is. An ad hominem is when someone attacks the person rather than their idea. There is nothing about "YHWH is the Eternal God" that attacks you personally. It is simply a response to what you said.

when Marduk defeated YHWH

YHWH is never mentioned in the Marduk mythology. For some bizarre reason, you are confusing YHWH with Tiamat, a babylonian goddess who often manifested as a serpent or dragon. No relationship to YHWH at all.

 

[Sargonski]

Apparently you have no idea what an ad hominem attack is. An ad hominem is when someone attacks the person rather than their idea. There is nothing about "YHWH is the Eternal God" that attacks you personally. It is simply a response to what you said.

YHWH is never mentioned in the Marduk mythology. For some bizarre reason, you are confusing YHWH with Tiamat, a babylonian goddess who often manifested as a serpent or dragon. No relationship to YHWH at all.

yes .. was Ad Hom fallacy .. and now strawman fallacy is pretending I said YHWH was mentioned in the Marduk Mythology .. and stating I am confusing Tiamat with YHWH .. you have some intersting fantasies going in your mind that have no brearing in reality or anything I said.

Crying out "YHWH is the Eternal God" is not the personal invective being referred to -- more made up fallacious nonsense. Your entire post nothing but fallacies ... nothign addressing the point which is that the Judahites believed that YHWH was dead ... and likely did not have YHWH confused with Tiamat Either .. but more importantly .. these folks did not confuse YHWH with the Most High God EL .. and continued to worship Asherah and EL after the Death of YHWH ..

EL - Most High God of the Divine Pantheon .. "Assembly of EL" -- one of his Sons now Slain by another son named Marduk. This is not the first time YHWH lost a battle .. losing to Chemosh national God of the Moabites .. but losing to Chemosh did not lose the war .. the Midianites did not burn down the house of YHWH -- "The Place where his Name Resides" .. wiping out the name was a big deal back in the day .. you don't care I know .. but these folks did. Marduk lays waste to YHWH .. and that is how the story ends ... another people lost in the sands of time .. would some 50 years later came the Liberator .. the Christ .. the Annointed on of God .. and not that YHWH God .. YHWH is not the God of Cyrus .. not the God who annoints Cyrus ..

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

the Judahites believed that YHWH was dead ...

Sorry. I've emptied my ignore-list so I'm not sure how this claim was derived. Which Judahites believed that YHWH was dead?

 

[Sargonski]

Sorry. I've emptied my ignore-list so I'm not sure how this claim was derived. Which Judahites believed that YHWH was dead?

The ones who were living at the time when Marduk defeats YHWH and destroys the place where his Name Resides. .. and don't shoot the messenger for goodness sakes .. I didn't say this was my belief .. this was the beliefs of the people who witnessed the event .. the people of Judah .. when the Babylonians wiped these people and their God off the Map.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sorry. I've emptied my ignore-list so I'm not sure how this claim was derived. Which Judahites believed that YHWH was dead?

The ones who were living at the time when Marduk defeats YHWH and destroys the place where his Name Resides.

Can you suggest a date, a location, and some evidence for your claim.

 

[Sargonski]

Can you suggest a date, a location, and some evidence for your claim.

Wiki - The siege of Jerusalem (c. 589–587 BC) was the final event of the Judahite revolts against Babylon, in which Nebuchadnezzar II, king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, besieged Jerusalem, the capital city of the Kingdom of Judah. Jerusalem fell after a 30-month siege, following which the Babylonians systematically destroyed the city and Solomon's Temple.[1][2] The Kingdom of Judah was dissolved and many of its inhabitants exiled to Babylon.
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The place where God caused his name to Dwell is destroyed .. burned to the ground ..

Does YHWH’s Name Dwell in the Temple? - TheTorah.com

Deuteronomy refers to the central cult site as the place where YHWH chooses לְשַׁכֵּן שְׁמוֹ שָׁם, an unusual phrase often translated “to cause His name to dwell there,” and interpreted to mean that an abstracted aspect or hypostasis of YHWH takes up residence in the Temple. A parallel phrase found...

www.thetorah.com

Deuteronomy refers to the central cult site as the place where YHWH chooses לְשַׁכֵּן שְׁמוֹ שָׁם, an unusual phrase often translated “to cause His name to dwell there,” and interpreted to mean that an abstracted aspect or hypostasis of YHWH takes up residence in the Temple.......

The classic form of the Name Theology assumes the three-stage evolution of Israelite religion from the simple to the complex (foundational claim 1 above), finds that evolution represented in the source authors J, E, D, and P (foundational claim 2), and applies it to Israel’s understanding of divine presence. The stages are as follows:

Stage 1: The J & E sources. Found mostly in Genesis and Exodus, these authors from the early monarchy understood God as limited, immanent, and anthropomorphic.

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THe Israelites are Polytheists .. never do they worship only YHWH .. and never do they believe in only one God .. and then they do worship YHWH they do so in conjunction with other Gods .. such as his consort Asherah ... his daughter Anat ..

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Wiki - The siege of Jerusalem (c. 589–587 BC)

Thanks for sharing. Feel free to answer my question when you're able.

 

[Sargonski]

Thanks for sharing. Feel free to answer my question when you're able.

I answered your question ... you asked for a date and location Jerusalem 587BC -- The Babylonians destroy the Temple of YHWH ..

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Wiki - The siege of Jerusalem (c. 589–587 BC) was the final event of the Judahite revolts against Babylon, in which Nebuchadnezzar II, king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, besieged Jerusalem, the capital city of the Kingdom of Judah. Jerusalem fell after a 30-month siege, following which the Babylonians systematically destroyed the city and Solomon's Temple.[1][2] The Kingdom of Judah was dissolved and many of its inhabitants exiled to Babylon.
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The place where God caused his name to Dwell is destroyed .. burned to the ground ..

Does YHWH’s Name Dwell in the Temple? - TheTorah.com

Deuteronomy refers to the central cult site as the place where YHWH chooses לְשַׁכֵּן שְׁמוֹ שָׁם, an unusual phrase often translated “to cause His name to dwell there,” and interpreted to mean that an abstracted aspect or hypostasis of YHWH takes up residence in the Temple. A parallel phrase found...

www.thetorah.com

Deuteronomy refers to the central cult site as the place where YHWH chooses לְשַׁכֵּן שְׁמוֹ שָׁם, an unusual phrase often translated “to cause His name to dwell there,” and interpreted to mean that an abstracted aspect or hypostasis of YHWH takes up residence in the Temple.......

The classic form of the Name Theology assumes the three-stage evolution of Israelite religion from the simple to the complex (foundational claim 1 above), finds that evolution represented in the source authors J, E, D, and P (foundational claim 2), and applies it to Israel’s understanding of divine presence. The stages are as follows:

Stage 1: The J & E sources. Found mostly in Genesis and Exodus, these authors from the early monarchy understood God as limited, immanent, and anthropomorphic.

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THe Israelites are Polytheists .. never do they worship only YHWH .. and never do they believe in only one God .. and then they do worship YHWH they do so in conjunction with other Gods .. such as his consort Asherah ... his daughter Anat ..

You know, absolutely nothing here even discusses the topic in question. I'm thinking at this point that perhaps you just are not able to carry on a conversation with someone else. You just want to say whatever is on your mind, without having to deal with people's replies.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I answered your question ... you asked for a date and location Jerusalem 587BC -- The Babylonians destroy the Temple of YHWH ..

I asked: "Which Judahites believed that YHWH was dead?"

 

[Sargonski]

You know, absolutely nothing here even discusses the topic in question. I'm thinking at this point that perhaps you just are not able to carry on a conversation with someone else. You just want to say whatever is on your mind, without having to deal with people's replies.

Think you need to take log out of own eye .. prior to postign nothing but personal invective .. "You know absolutely nothing" .. followed by a false claim of not dealing with peoples replies. this the sum total of this ridiculous post you the one who was not able to deal with my reply and answer to your question ... thus a strange strawman fallacy projection .. giving you the Date .. the place .. and a number of links - as you requested - explaining to you what happened on that date .. when the Solomon's Temple at Jerusalem was torched .. the place where YHWH's name resided destroyed .. and the final piece of the nation of Israel - "His People" wiped off the map .

To the ancestors of the Jews ... living at that time .. Lord YHWH had been defeated by Lord Marduk .. and killed ... his seed laid waste .. here is a 2 hour PBS documentary on the subject .. first 3 words "God is Dead" .. that God being Lord YHWH .. the place where his name resided destroyed .. and his seed laid waste. Thats what the people of the day thought in any case ... your inability to deal with this historical fact and desire to lash out at the messenger I find quite a strange reaction .. obviously a reaction triggered by something ?!

My guess is that finding out that the God of Judaism may not be quite what you thought might have been the triggert .. or perhaps finding out that the God of Jesus is not Lord YHWH .. nor Lord Jealous .. but the God of Abraham .. El - the El Elyon El .. whose namesake the word for Big G - God .. and on whose name the struggles of Jacob were based .. which is not Isra - Yah .. but Isra-El .. Right !

 

[teage]

No, I love my savior. I reject YHWH.

 

[Sargonski]

I asked: "Which Judahites believed that YHWH was dead?"

The ones living in Judah when the Temple where Lord YHWH's name resided was stomped on and destroyed by .. Lord Marduk of Babylon .. all the high society sent to Babylon .. Judah as a nation for more than 4 centuries .. Kaput .. the last vestage of the Israelite empire ... poof ..

to the farmers and lower classes left behind .. YHWH was Down and out .. akin to when Mot kills Baal .. who is then later reborn .. .. thes folks go on worshiping the other Gods they were worshiping .. especially Asherah .. mourning the dead God YHWH at times perhaps .. what was that God Tammuz .. that is mentioned somewhere ? -- "The prophet describes a vision he had, saying the Lord “brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz” (Ezekiel 8:14)"

There is a prophetic vision come true aye Brother Jay ..

 

[Sargonski]

No, I love my savior. I reject YHWH.

A sound Position .... YHWH the demiurge according to the Marcionites .. "The Devil" accorging to heyZeus .. aka Lord Jesus.. You need not Stone the Adulterer and the Homosexuals (lesbians were always right with God as far as I can tell ... Even Lord YHWH and Lord Jealous)

Also -- and this an important one -- no need to kill the child for the sins of the Father . child sacrifice will do you no favor in the eye of the Major ...

 

[teage]

A sound Position .... YHWH the demiurge according to the Marcionites .. "The Devil" accorging to heyZeus .. aka Lord Jesus.. You need not Stone the Adulterer and the Homosexuals (lesbians were always right with God as far as I can tell ... Even Lord YHWH and Lord Jealous)

Also -- and this an important one -- no need to kill the child for the sins of the Father . child sacrifice will do you no favor in the eye of the Major ...

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

II Corinthians 3:14

I have to assume at this point that its willful ignorance.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The ones living in Judah when the Temple where Lord YHWH's name resided was stomped on and destroyed by .. Lord Marduk of Babylon .. all the high society sent to Babylon .. Judah as a nation for more than 4 centuries .. Kaput .. the last vestage of the Israelite empire ... poof ..

If that were the case, you wouldn't have seen Jews continuing to worship YHWH in Babylon. In fact, it was in Babylon that Jewish belief was strengthened, where Jews came to understand that he wasn't just God of Israel, but God of all the world. It was in Babylon that Jews finally left idolatry forever.

 

[Jimmy]

If that were the case, you wouldn't have seen Jews continuing to worship YHWH in Babylon. In fact, it was in Babylon that Jewish belief was strengthened, where Jews came to understand that he wasn't just God of Israel, but God of all the world. It was in Babylon that Jews finally left idolatry forever.

god of all the world? Which god is that? The infinite cosmos?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

god of all the world? Which god is that? The infinite cosmos?

Yes. God of the infinite cosmos.

 

[Sargonski]

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

II Corinthians 3:14

I have to assume at this point that its willful ignorance.

Yes .. while this putting away the Laws of Lord Jealous does coincide somewhat with the teachings of Brother Paul - . Let us hearken rather to the words of Lord Jesus for understanding - as even a broken clock is right twice a day .. and Brother Paul is just as blind in ways as the many .. which is an oddity of a sort that Marcion adopted Pauls Gospels - given the intellectual Giant he aparently was .. but I digress.

The B-I-G point being made here .. is to hearken to the words of Lord Jesus .. rather than to a fellow who never knew the man .. everything he knows is second hand .. not even becomming a xtian until years after the death of our Lord and Saviour .. and do mind the quote Jesus telling you that not all is going to be spoon-fed lest everyone be saved .. or something of that nature .. message .. not everything is going to be prima facie -- Latin legal term "on the surface" - and this for a purpose

Jesus says "Only the one who does the will of the Father" Matt 7:21 .. summation of the Sermon on the Mount = Works and not blind faith .. Thus - who is the Father ? .. and what is his Will ? what is the covenant ?

The Covenants of YHWH and Lord Jealous are different . suggesting these are either two (2) separate Gods or some kind of twin two face God. We find many of these in the beliefs of the folks living in the holy land ... including the primordial Serpents of Chaos and Order -- fresh water and Salty--- this riddle matters not for our purposes because Jesus breaks this covenant -- and brags about it.. this is how you know that these are not the Gods of Jesus -

The God of Jesus is - The God of Abraham - The God of Abraham is EL .. Most High - the Creator .. The Father .. God of the covenant and the Patriarchs. The Priests of this order are Zadokite .. the Holy Order of Melchi-Zedek -- Zedek the Patron God of Jerusalem at the time of Abe ~ 1800 BC another one of these twin Gods .. this the God of Justice and Righteousness -- Patron God of "salem" Peace .. Jerusalem means "The City of Peace". Melchi-Zedek the priest of the Most High God .. The Canaanite Priest-King of Jerusalem who comes out to meet Abe Genesis 14.

So we have the Prince of Peace .. sitting at the right hand of the Father dispensing Justice and Righteousness . The Father in this case the head of the "Assembly of EL" - Head of the Divine Council .... on whose right hand sits <J>

The Priesthood of YHWH is not Zedokite .. this is the priesthood of Aaron - levitical. When David takes Jerusalem .. the kings name Adoni-Zedek "my god is Zedek" -- he makes the High Priest Zadok --- high priest over Israel .. and not - passing over --- the Aaronite High Priest ..

It is a Zadokite Priest who annoints the head of King Solomon..

Now .. Question time .. of what priestly Order is Jesus a member A) Aaronite -- priesthood of Lord YHWH .. B) Zadokite -- Priesthood of EL ? and cite scripture to back up your guess sorry .. have to show your work on this multiple choice question.

Now Jesus spits on the covenant of Lord YHWH .. Breaks the rules .. OK ? So what are the rules Jesus wishes is to follow "The Will of the Father" .. what is this will ? what are we requested to do in order to be put right in the eyes of the God of Jesus .. Hint "NOT PAUL" --
Hint 2 - Sermon on the Mount Matt 5-7 ... which begins .. rather propheticly (talking about Paul again here_

1) Blessed are the poor in spirit (faith) - for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven .. Feel me !

 

[Sargonski]

Yes. God of the infinite cosmos.

The infinite God of Nothing ... Have you yet to figure out the fallacy of the "God of Everything" ?! .. OK .. lets go though this step by step.

You can define all matter and energy in the universe as God - but, how is this God any different than if there were no God ? This God has no actions ... it is a noun without verb .. same as a piece of mud on the road.

Does this God operate on itself ? change or alter the progression of what is unfolding - is God the car tire rolling over the mud .. changing the orientation of mud .. or just the mud.

Your definition lacks a metric -- gives nothing quantafiable ... nor distingtuishes itself from anything .. has no action on anything .. which is the definition of nothing .. Zero .. Nada...