Luke, that is the game they play here at RF. They try and portray us as bigots, homophobes and white supremists so they can disregard what we say.
They can't out debate us, so they attack our character.
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Why does God care about Homosexuality?
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Luke, that is the game they play here at RF. They try and portray us as bigots, homophobes and white supremists so they can disregard what we say.
They can't out debate us, so they attack our character.
1 Cor 7:27 (NIV):
What did you say it said again?
Maybe you don't know the Bible as well as you think.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Well like I've never seen other like you do that before, isn't this an attack on there character. Thing is, other do out debate, but most of the time you all are so closed minded you can't see that. Though every one is a bit closed minded. I just think it funny of you just think that because there not Christian are you are that you know the Bible better then they did. Really, know it better, or just know what you are told to know about it by other with out coming to your own conclusion.
I don't care how smart you are or how well studied you have become, the Bible is one subject, (or try learning about other religions as well), that is a life long learning process.Maybe you don't know the Bible as well as you think.
You can find just about anything out of context in the Bible to promote any point of view. What needs to be done is to pray in ernest that you receive the proper message from our Lord before you study the Bible.
Definitely. I learn more about it (and about myself) every time I read from it. There's a lot of wisdom in it.
Edit: All I meant by my comment was that not confusing the statement "do not seek a divorce" with something along the lines of "divorce and re-marriage is A-OK" takes only an ability to read, not any sort of Biblical scholarship. Frankly, I suspect he was just pulling a verse reference out of the air in the hopes it'd shut me up and I wouldn't actually check it.
It's Luke's passage, not mine. I just thought everyone would like to see the verse he claimed was his foundation for his idea that remarriage after divorce is not sinful.
I think it's kind of funny that the verse he quoted in support of divorce actually says "do not seek a divorce", but I recognize that in the verse, Paul is giving instruction to virgins who are trying to decide between whether to marry and pursue family life, or stay unmarried and devote their lives entirely to God. It has nothing to do with remarriage of divorced people like Luke claimed; I was just calling him out on it.
Maybe you should re-read my previous comment, as well as all of 1 Corinthians 7:
Giving some consideration to Reverend Rick's comment might be a good idea, too:
You're taking a teaching from Paul to unmarried virgins telling them that it's okay to pursue family life instead of celibate monk-like devotion, and shoehorning it around the issue of divorce. If you're being halfway honest in your study of the Bible, you'll recognize that 1 Corinthians 7:27 has nothing to do with remarriage after divorce.
Edit: the issue still stands - there's more Biblical condemnation for divorce than there is for homosexuality; declaring the former acceptable and the latter not is based on personal opinions, not the Bible.
Edit 2: but just for giggles, tell us: if you can pull "but if you marry, you have not sinned" out of context to excuse remarriage after divorce, what's wrong with applying it to same-sex marriage?
Luke_17:2
Fundamental Bible-thumper
This is how it's not out of context:
v.27...I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
v.28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned
He was speaking to men, but of course it also applies to Christian women.
v.27...I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
v.28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned
He was speaking to men, but of course it also applies to Christian women.
Luke_17:2
Fundamental Bible-thumper
Absolutely
Amen!
That's profound. I, for example, could take the devil saying, "ye shall not surely die" and preach as much.
Exactly. You certainly need to be led by the Holy Spirit.
I keep saying this, but every unsaved person really needs to read I Corinthians 2:14 before they start quoting scripture to fathers in Christ.
Ah. Okay... I was going by the New International Version; I now see you were reading the King James Version. By the NIV, your interpretation was way off-base. By the KJV, I can see where you're coming from.
There's some funkiness going on in the translation here: I take it you interpret "loosed from a wife" to mean divorced. Other translations (e.g. the NIV) say "unmarried". It'd be interesting to know what the original text actually says and means. When we consider that divorce is strongly condemned elsewhere and especially the fact that Paul preaches against it within 1 Corinthians itself (just up the page at verse 10 for one example), I think it's more reasonable to take "loosed from a wife" (or whatever the original text was) as "unmarried", absent other evidence.
Why do you assume that? Verse 39, as well as the Gospel verses on divorce, would preclude that interpretation, IMO.
But do you think that everyone who professes to be a Christian is "saved" or "led by the Holy Spirit"? Even if I accept everything in the Bible as true, the line "take my word for it - I'm a Christian" just doesn't work.
People who tell me don't worry, worry me.
People who tell me to trust them, causes me to be distrustful.
People who claim to know everything rarely do.
People who swear they are telling the truth, have doubts themselves.
People who tell me to trust them, causes me to be distrustful.
People who claim to know everything rarely do.
People who swear they are telling the truth, have doubts themselves.
Smoke
Done here.
Smoke
Done here.
It's hardly necessary, when you do such a good job of it yourself.
I'm willing to bet you don't.
Excepting for death or adultery on your mates part, it is a sin to get remarried. I will not marry any person who has been married before excepting adultery and death do they part.
rocka21
Brother Rock
we must look at the reason Jesus said such a thing. If you read Matthew 5 and 6, he was rebuking the Jews who knew what the word says and living by it, but there heart was wrong.
All they had to do was get a bill of divorce and they were using the law as an excuse ( like today). He was saying , " don't just get divorced and remarried for any ole reason".
other places he talked about, turn the other cheek, don't give in an offering with hate against your brother, taking an oath, etc, etc.
its very good reading. He was making a " theme " here. The thing is DO WHAT IS RIGHT. Don't use the scripture to justify doing the wrong thing.
so back to the topic,
do you think the " theme" of the bible is for or against homosexualitly?
so Luke 17:2, for every scripture you have , there is always " interpetation" issuses.
thats why I speak in tounges, but most baptist don't. " interpetation and theme". Thats why there is so many different denominations.
so going back to " theme", when I read the bible, after i take everything in, I don't think back then , the church ( the body of christ) was ok with bending a man over and sodomizing him. I think it is sexual impurity. I think it has been that way since the old testament for thousands of years.
I would have been a whole lot easier if Jesus would have said something on the topic, but he did not address it, like alot of others.
I know this may be wierd to some , but christians have the Holy Spirit inside, and it does not " bare wittness" with my spirit. The spirit helps us when we make choices.
On the other hand , there are many people who read the bible and come away with a totally different feeling about homosexualily, and they do have A VALID ARGUMENT for there position.
One thing about RF, it has taught me to be a little more open minded when I disscuss such views with my christian friends. ( I like to take the counter argument on issuses like homosexuality, war in iraq, and other topics that we are all supposed to think alike).
anyway,
Happy thanksgiving RF! I always admire Midnight Blues post ( they make you think alot)
All they had to do was get a bill of divorce and they were using the law as an excuse ( like today). He was saying , " don't just get divorced and remarried for any ole reason".
other places he talked about, turn the other cheek, don't give in an offering with hate against your brother, taking an oath, etc, etc.
its very good reading. He was making a " theme " here. The thing is DO WHAT IS RIGHT. Don't use the scripture to justify doing the wrong thing.
so back to the topic,
do you think the " theme" of the bible is for or against homosexualitly?
so Luke 17:2, for every scripture you have , there is always " interpetation" issuses.
thats why I speak in tounges, but most baptist don't. " interpetation and theme". Thats why there is so many different denominations.
so going back to " theme", when I read the bible, after i take everything in, I don't think back then , the church ( the body of christ) was ok with bending a man over and sodomizing him. I think it is sexual impurity. I think it has been that way since the old testament for thousands of years.
I would have been a whole lot easier if Jesus would have said something on the topic, but he did not address it, like alot of others.
I know this may be wierd to some , but christians have the Holy Spirit inside, and it does not " bare wittness" with my spirit. The spirit helps us when we make choices.
On the other hand , there are many people who read the bible and come away with a totally different feeling about homosexualily, and they do have A VALID ARGUMENT for there position.
One thing about RF, it has taught me to be a little more open minded when I disscuss such views with my christian friends. ( I like to take the counter argument on issuses like homosexuality, war in iraq, and other topics that we are all supposed to think alike).
anyway,
Happy thanksgiving RF! I always admire Midnight Blues post ( they make you think alot)
Smoke
Done here.
I was a Christian 45 years, and that was 45 years too long. And if you'd read the Bible as many times as I have, you'd probably be able to spell better by now.
So, how many times have you been married, Christian?
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The mainstream Jewish interpretation is that their sin was inhospitality and selfishness. Talmudic stories are always about their unkindness, especially to beggars and strangers.
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And where is lesbianism prohibited?
Did you figure out what Jesus had to say on either subject yet?
Traces of pagan animal sacrifices remain in Christian metaphor.
Done that, thanks.
Luke_17:2
Fundamental Bible-thumper
I won't comment on other translations.
As rocka said, Jesus was addressing, imo, the fact that many marry without thinking, get divorced, remarried, divorced, remarried, etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my interpretation due to what I Cor. says.
No I don't. Unless you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, you won't be saved (Romans 10:9).
True. What I'm saying is that if you're an atheist, or not a Christian, you have no reason to disagree with what the Bible says as doctrine, etc. because it doesn't effect you. That is to say, you can disagree, but not for doctrinal reasons because it's not even your religion.