Why does God care about Homosexuality?

[madhatter85]

thanks for subtly dealing with a sensitive topic.

if you believe God created Adam and Eve, and human physiology in regards to sex is for populating the earth, inside the organised structure of marriage, then yes homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes.

where do we go from here? how should gay people inside of that belief structure react to this?

Most Homosexual peopel i know are Athiests. ubt...

Even in the LDS church there are some people who are self-proclaimed "Gay" and our stance on it is that God loves all of his children and that they won't have to worry about those feelings in the afterlife because those ugres will not exist. And if they need to remain celibate to be in control of thier urges and feelings, then they should do so.

 

[madhatter85]

What makes you think I'm "butthurt" (to use your juvenile diction) over it? I was only showing the error in your "logic."

actually, i say butthurt alot because it's a funny word to me, and when i used it i remembered the content of this topic but it was not meant to offend ya'll. that is why i said )No pun intended) because it was not meant to be a Pun. otherwise i woudl have used quotes liek "Butthurt" or put it in caps liek BUTTHURT, or made it Italics like Butthurt. or dded some other form of emphasis on the fact that i said that word in a deragatory context.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because the God of the bible is unchanging, is not a respector of persons. and does not represent abstract ideas liek homosexuality.

What the heck does this even mean?

BTW - if Adam and Eve were both bisexual, that'd be "natural", right?

 

[madhatter85]

What the heck does this even mean?

BTW - if Adam and Eve were both bisexual, that'd be "natural", right?

No it wouldn't be, Hetrosexual is the only way definied by the God of the Bible. I already quoted the refrence regarding it in Genesis. everything else is a perversion.

 

[McBell]

the If argument is all over the place in this thread, the fact is that Adam and Eve were not Homosexual.

Of course they were heterosexual.
Being as there was NO ONE else, how can they be anything else?
Interestingly enough, this fact does not prove that God 'designed' men and women for heterosexual sex.
I have already presented a relevant point that you have thus far ignored:

tell us all why the prostrate is located in such a manner where homosexual sex stimulates it much better and more efficiently than heterosexual sex?
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that is not a "what if" statement,

Nope.
It is an assumption based upon no one else being around.

Because the God of the bible is unchanging, is not a respector of persons. and does not represent abstract ideas liek homosexuality. There is an eternal Law Even the God of the Bible answers to and that is Justice, for every action there is reward or consequence.

I disagree.
However, that is for a different thread.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No it wouldn't be, Hetrosexual is the only way definied by the God of the Bible. I already quoted the refrence regarding it in Genesis. everything else is a perversion.

You implied that homosexuality would be unnatural because it wouldn't allow Adam and Eve to procreate. Bisexuality would: if Adam and Eve were both attracted to the men and the ladies, they could still be attracted to each other. Where's the problem?

 

[exl2398]

Is it indeed?

If evolution is true, then all that matters is survival and procreation.

In reality, only religious people can justly (not hypocritically) say that homosexual behaviour is alright -because they believe there's more to life then survival and procreation.

Wow, what a blanket, exclusionary statement!

I tend to agree that religious people more often see the world beyond the basics or physical existence, but that doesn't mean truths are only revealed to them. Though I believe in God, I believe it is not required for me to believe to see the truth in the fact that there is more to human sexual relationships than survival and procreation. God makes his truths evident without the need of belief or faith in something above and beyond that which is right in front of us, I would think.

Also, before I believed in God I recognized that there was more to sex than the purely physical.

 

[exl2398]

Gee. That's a tough one. Could it be because the animal cannot give informed consent?

Bingo.

Forgive me for posting late in the game on a lot of posts, haha. I'm brand new

 

[exl2398]

I can't scratch a women's belly without consent either, but no one has a problem with getting a dogs consent for that.

There is something quite different about invading the bodily cavities of animals without being able to ask, and petting them.

 

[exl2398]

God is not against homosexuality. If He truly was against it, it wouldn't exist.

This does not logically follow. Crack destroys lives, yet it exists. Guns kill people, yet they exist. Hitler existed, but that doesn't mean he was good. Existence does not mean goodness.

However, I don't believe God has a problem, at all, with homosexuality. But it existing is not something I'd list as evidence of this belief.

 

[exl2398]

I am still awaiting an answer to my question whether a person should be in compliance with the law each and every time they have sex.

If there are laws banning sex with children, do you suggest it is ok for me the set that law aside and have sex with the 14 year old down the road?

 

[exl2398]

Lava originally mentioned it but it would seem as though your the one who actually started the debate. Though I fail to see the connection one could make between homosexuality and bestiality so your "devil's advocate" argument does not follow. What does thinking bestiality should be legal or illegal have to do with homosexuality?

Nothing, other than the logically fallacious argument that says accepting homosexuality leads to accepting the moral "okness" of having sex with animals.

Sorry, moving on, haha. Just had to point out that lava's argument is incorrect.

 

[exl2398]

GOD: Hello Rupert.
RUPERT: Who the f**k are you?
GOD: I am the Lord Almighty.
RUPERT: Wha?! Bugger me with a manly metal rod!
GOD: Ah, no my son, I think I shall pass on that...
RUPERT: You're really GOD, huh? Well then, you're gonna HATE me...
GOD: Why is that?
RUPERT: Cos' I'm a ******, that's why! And PROUD of it!
GOD: You're homosexual.
RUPERT: Yeah! And lovin' it!
GOD: Well...so?
RUPERT: So? Whaddaya mean "So"? Didn't you just hear what I said? I'm gay!
GOD: Erm, quite. Well, sexuality is a very personal and varied thing you know...it's not really an issue for me, cos' I'm like, sexless, but it certainly seems to be for you.
RUPERT: Damn right! And we all know GOD hates faggots, so...y'know, come clean! Show your true colours, goddy!
GOD: I AM. Doing that, that is. Look, Rupert, Earthly life is complicated enough without making too much of our natural preferences and instinctual tendencies, so why don't we just get to know each other and put aside the whole...****** business.
RUPERT': Wha?! You...you're just saying that...you're not being yourself! Be like the goddy in the Bible, will you?
GOD: Why?
RUPERT: Well, so's I can hate you and you can hate me! And I'll feel, y'know, vindicated in my, uh, resentment of all those false ideas of purity and all that s**t!
GOD: But I don't hate you...
RUPERT: You...you don't--aw c'mon, you're not the real goddy! Not like the goddy the men with beards and beads talk about anyway!
GOD: What they say I AM and what I AM really are two different things. Haven't you learnt anything during your lifetime?
RUPERT: Aw...this is crap.
GOD: Sorry...but why?
RUPERT: I can't take the disappointment of you being a real loving goddy, who doesn't discriminate. It spoils my sense of selfhood and dehumanizes me.
GOD: Interesting. What does that teach you, though?
RUPERT: I dunno...maybe that love is blind. A blind, blessed man.
GOD: You have learnt well, my son. Pass into paradise now...

Nice!

 

[exl2398]

I'm glad your friend's parents got home in time.

A friend of mine from elementary and high school killed himself. I was never privy to any suicide note, but my general impression was that life in his family and his community was very difficult for him after he came out. I don't think there's ever a single cause when it comes to things like this, but I think the difficulties he encountered over his homosexuality played a role in his decision to end his life.

A friend of mine from a gay youth group killed himself when he was 17 because he felt unaccepted. Hung himself from the stairs. His parents never forgave themselves. Nonacceptance hurts all involved.

 

[.lava]

How about you put a name to this alleged disease, which seems to be the foundation of your argument?

i am sorry i can't name it. all i remember is this woman i know had an annoying treatment in hospital. it was bad experience for her. i also remember what caused the problem. it was becasue of carried 'stuff' from anus into her genital.

 

[McBell]

i am sorry i can't name it. all i remember is this woman i know had an annoying treatment in hospital. it was bad experience for her. i also remember what caused the problem. it was becasue of carried 'stuff' from anus into her genital.

That can occur if she was to wipe from back to front.
A far cry from your statement of:

disease i talk about could only happen cos of having anal sex.Post#84
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Now to be perfectly honest with you, I have not been able to find any such disease.
One that "could only happen cos of having anal sex" and I have looked in all my wifes books, the internet, and the library.
In fact, no one I have asked has any idea what you are talking about.
So you will have to excuse my cynisism concerning this mysterious disease that "could only happen cos of having anal sex."

 

[.lava]

You think that the pain a woman experiences her first time is because of stress:areyoucra? No it is not stress I assure you. There is actual physical pain that every woman experiences at different levels because the vagina has never taken in a penis before. You said in a later post that anal sex causes harm and therefore is wrong. however vaginal sex also causes harm. It causes scarring there is pain the first and possibly even the second and third times sometimes the pain is light, sometimes its intense, there can also be bleeding. So if anal sex is wrong because it causes damage then vaginal sex is also wrong. In fact following that logic the only form of sex that would be "right" is oral as that is the least painful and least likely to cause damage(unless you start using your teeth)

yes i think being tense and stressed cause physical pain. if you're right about what you're saying then rape should be pleasent too, but it is not.
yes women have pain at different levels and some donot feel it at all. if they do the reason is they are virgins. that pain doesnot continue, does it?
anal sex causes damage because muscles inside the anus were made to use one way only. from inside to outside. that's not the same with female genitals.
i amnot gonna make comment about the last sentence you made :cover:

 

[McBell]

anal sex causes damage because muscles inside the anus were made to use one way only. from inside to outside. that's not the same with female genitals.

Sounds like you really need to do some research on female anatomy.

 

[.lava]

I feel that, firstly, your argument does not adequately answer the question and, secondly, you have treated a secondary quality as if it were a primary quality.

i am trying

Before we get to that, your argument can be simplified. You have answered the question "Who does God care about homosexuality?" by stating "it is twisted" and then go on to justify this conclusion. However, I think that this is an unnecessary step in your argument because you have not done enough to sufficiently define "twisted" as a seperate concept from "wrong" which is implied in the question. Therefore, this cannot adequately answer the question and it must be your justification for it which contains the answer.

Your justification is "women were created to attract men". If we accept this as true then I believe you have still not sufficiently explained how this entails "homosexuality is twisted/wrong".
The other day, my mp3 player broke and I wanted to open it up in order to fix it. I didn't have access to a screwdriver so I used my pen knife instead. The people who made my pen knife did not make it for the same purpose as a screwdriver yet it can still be used in this way. At the same time, it does seem reasonable to state that I am wrong to use it in this way. In order to justify this added condition, I would need an additional premise.
Therefore, returning to homosexuality, you require an additional premise that relates "women were created to attract men" to "homosexuality is twisted" and without, assuming you don't think I was wrong to use a pen knife as a screwdriver, also forming the same relationship in that similar argument.

i gave up the word twisted. a friend considered it as an insult. thanks to empathy, i can understand how he feels.
homosexuality is a sin. the reason why is that's rebel.
God created Adam(PBUH). Adam was male. then it created Eve as Adam's mate, his partner and she was a female. creation is the command itself.
Adam wouldnot be exist without Eve and Eve wouldnot be exist without Adam. male and female complete each other. they both together are called human. and we are human race. however there are some interesting exceptions, generally a new born baby is either male or female. if one was born in a male body then his mate is female. to deny that and be a male who's taking another male as a partner is rebel to his own body. therefor it is rebel to what's given by God. that's the main reason why homosexuality is a sin. because rebel is a sin.

Now turning to my second point, you state that "women are certainly more esthetic and more attractive than men." However, the qualities you state are secondary, not primary, qualities and so cannot be inherent in "women".

If I like chocolate ice cream then I might be tempted to say that "chocolate ice cream is certainly more tasty than vanilla ice cream". The existence of many people who have the opposite preference indicate that "tastiness" cannot be an inherent property of ice cream but is given to it by whoever is tasting it. Therefore, a particular flavour of ice cream is only tasty if the person who is tasting it thinks that it is tasty.

Similarly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Male heterosexuals will find women to be more attractive. Female heterosexuals will find men to be more attractive. Therefore, attractiveness cannot be inherent in either sex and must be a product of the attitude of the observer to a particular sex (i.e. their own sex + their own sexuality).

yes, you're right. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. yet you're missing one point becasue it is personal about me. i might have a gender. but my mind don't have. i donot think as men or women. neutral here. in this case i would be saying icecream is called.
i don't see ugly people and i am not blind imo everyone is beautiful. i rarely thought someone was ugly but it was never about physical apperiance. if there is ugliness, it is always within.

i wanna tell you and whoever read this something. God choses people. it choses 90% of all on earth. whoever among those 90% wants to reach his creator earns heaven. that 10% of people who's not chosen by God donot even have one single chance to go heaven. they definetly end up in hell. because those are people who refuses the concept of reaching God and also they try to keep people away from this fact: reaching God before death. God doesnot forgive those who volanteer to be blockage between society and God.

i am saying this because homosexuality is a sin that God forgives. i don't wish to sound like being gay is a diferent kind of sin. it is simply rebel. suicide is a rebel too but there is no change to be forgiven because forgiveness is always given when you're alive.

anyways, i talk too much. i am sorry if i had to say what i think over and over again because of my english. that happens sometimes. i hope i understood correctly and answered your questions. if i couldnot then let me know.
thank you

 

[.lava]

That can occur if she was to wipe from back to front.

A far cry from your statement of:

disease i talk about could only happen cos of having anal sex.Post#84quote]​

sorry, my bad.