Why does God care about Homosexuality?

[.lava]

I think the primitive rules you attribute to your god are a perversion of our wonderful moral reasoning powers.

The moral outrage at masturbation, even when performed in the privacy of one's own home, is as irrational as the orthodox Jew's or Muslim's moral outrage at the eating of pork, or the fundamentalist Muslim's moral outrage at women's faces being uncovered in public.

In the real world, no one is harmed by these activities. However, the faithful imagine that magical spirits in a seperate, imaginary world are caused irreperable harm when people have sex or eat food or dress in various ways (spirits who will in turn cause harm to us, after we die, when we enter the imaginary world).

I think that Sam Harris is right: faith--that is, certainty not based upon reason or evidence--obstructs our ability to reason intelligently about human suffering and happiness, which really does prevent us from directing our energies to minimizing suffering in the world.

just for the record my friend, in Islam following some traditions as if they were commands of God is against Islam. it is considered as rebel. covering face is one of them.

explanation of creation is not depend on what's seen because there is unseen probably much more effective than seen reality.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

if you believe God created Adam and Eve, and human physiology in regards to sex is for populating the earth, inside the organised structure of marriage, then yes homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes.

If we're going to start drawing inferences from opinions on anatomy, what can we conclude about God's intent by things like the appendix, which, as far as I can tell, has no function except to unpredictably rupture? That He really wants surgeons to drive fancy cars?

Or do we only get to play the "what was God thinking" game when it comes to the anus?

 

[MoonWater]

yes i think being tense and stressed cause physical pain. if you're right about what you're saying then rape should be pleasent too, but it is not.
yes women have pain at different levels and some donot feel it at all. if they do the reason is they are virgins. that pain doesnot continue, does it?
anal sex causes damage because muscles inside the anus were made to use one way only. from inside to outside. that's not the same with female genitals.
i amnot gonna make comment about the last sentence you made :cover:

how on earth could one infer from what I said that I think Rape is pleasant:sarcastic And yes the pain can continue after one has already had sex though how long varies from woman to woman. Somwhat similar to a construction worker having to develope calluses on his hands so as to be able to handle the work they do. until those calluses develope he'll have a lot of blisters. Women don't get blisters with sex but there is scarring and pain and sometimes bleeding as the vagina is "being conditioned" to take a penis. Sometimes it only takes one time and sometimes more. Also if a woman goes for a long time without having sex(like 6 months to a year) then she may experience the pain again when she does have sex. The anus too can be "conditioned" to take a penis. It may be more painful than vaginal but permanent damage only results from abuse, either taking in to big a penis or doing a lot without giving the muscles time to recover however these same actions also result in permanent damage in vaginal sex. The last bit in parenthesis was just a joke but you could still address the part about oral sex. You said that anal sex is wrong because it causes damage and pain. If that's the case then vaginal sex must also be wrong and the only form of sex that could be right is oral as that is least likely to cause pain and damage. Do you have a response to this last bit or are you simply going to ignore it again?

 

[McBell]

how on earth could one infer from what I said that I think Rape is pleasant:sarcastic And yes the pain can continue after one has already had sex though how long varies from woman to woman. Somwhat similar to a construction worker having to develope calluses on his hands so as to be able to handle the work they do. until those calluses develope he'll have a lot of blisters. Women don't get blisters with sex but there is scarring and pain and sometimes bleeding as the vagina is "being conditioned" to take a penis. Sometimes it only takes one time and sometimes more. Also if a woman goes for a long time without having sex(like 6 months to a year) then she may experience the pain again when she does have sex. The anus too can be "conditioned" to take a penis. It may be more painful than vaginal but permanent damage only results from abuse, either taking in to big a penis or doing a lot without giving the muscles time to recover however these same actions also result in permanent damage in vaginal sex. The last bit in parenthesis was just a joke but you could still address the part about oral sex. You said that anal sex is wrong because it causes damage and pain. If that's the case then vaginal sex must also be wrong and the only form of sex that could be right is oral as that is least likely to cause pain and damage. Do you have a response to this last bit or are you simply going to ignore it again?

I suspect that you likely tossed out way to many facts about a taboo subject.

 

[Melissa G]

Why does God care if two guys or two girls have sex with each other?

Who says he does, or it does. Nothing is from God that didn't come out of the mind of a Man, a mind probably full of hate and bile because he couldn't get any love lol.

Melissa G

 

[.lava]

how on earth could one infer from what I said that I think Rape is pleasant:sarcastic And yes the pain can continue after one has already had sex though how long varies from woman to woman. Somwhat similar to a construction worker having to develope calluses on his hands so as to be able to handle the work they do. until those calluses develope he'll have a lot of blisters. Women don't get blisters with sex but there is scarring and pain and sometimes bleeding as the vagina is "being conditioned" to take a penis. Sometimes it only takes one time and sometimes more. Also if a woman goes for a long time without having sex(like 6 months to a year) then she may experience the pain again when she does have sex. The anus too can be "conditioned" to take a penis. It may be more painful than vaginal but permanent damage only results from abuse, either taking in to big a penis or doing a lot without giving the muscles time to recover however these same actions also result in permanent damage in vaginal sex. The last bit in parenthesis was just a joke but you could still address the part about oral sex. You said that anal sex is wrong because it causes damage and pain. If that's the case then vaginal sex must also be wrong and the only form of sex that could be right is oral as that is least likely to cause pain and damage. Do you have a response to this last bit or are you simply going to ignore it again?

i'd like to play ignore card. i definetly don't have lovely thoughts about that. actually very very something. i guess i managed to be no offensive.

ok then, i am gonna do some research about things you say. about 'conditioning' process, never heard of it before.

btw pregnancy causes physical damage too and it is painful to give birth. i mention this in case you think i ignore them. well, i don't. i didnot mean to make 'pain and damage' my arguement. appetite for destruction how did i get here? i am too sleepy i guess. nevermind

i'd known better if i was gay. that's for sure :yes:

tllthn

 

[MoonWater]

i'd like to play ignore card. i definetly don't have lovely thoughts about that. actually very very something. i guess i managed to be no offensive.

ok then, i am gonna do some research about things you say. about 'conditioning' process, never heard of it before.

btw pregnancy causes physical damage too and it is painful to give birth. i mention this in case you think i ignore them. well, i don't. i didnot mean to make 'pain and damage' my arguement. appetite for destruction how did i get here? i am too sleepy i guess. nevermind

i'd known better if i was gay. that's for sure :yes:

tllthn

"conditioning" isn't the actual term used but if you research it you'll find explanations and possibly the proper term for it.

 

[McBell]

i'd like to play ignore card. i definetly don't have lovely thoughts about that. actually very very something. i guess i managed to be no offensive.

ok then, i am gonna do some research about things you say. about 'conditioning' process, never heard of it before.

btw pregnancy causes physical damage too and it is painful to give birth. i mention this in case you think i ignore them. well, i don't. i didnot mean to make 'pain and damage' my arguement. appetite for destruction how did i get here? i am too sleepy i guess. nevermind

i'd known better if i was gay. that's for sure :yes:

tllthn

How about you merely postpone your reply until after you have done some research?

 

[.lava]

How about you merely postpone your reply until after you have done some research?

what's the point of doing so? i would have, only if i was gay.

 

[madhatter85]

how on earth could one infer from what I said that I think Rape is pleasant:sarcastic And yes the pain can continue after one has already had sex though how long varies from woman to woman. Somwhat similar to a construction worker having to develope calluses on his hands so as to be able to handle the work they do. until those calluses develope he'll have a lot of blisters. Women don't get blisters with sex but there is scarring and pain and sometimes bleeding as the vagina is "being conditioned" to take a penis. Sometimes it only takes one time and sometimes more. Also if a woman goes for a long time without having sex(like 6 months to a year) then she may experience the pain again when she does have sex. The anus too can be "conditioned" to take a penis. It may be more painful than vaginal but permanent damage only results from abuse, either taking in to big a penis or doing a lot without giving the muscles time to recover however these same actions also result in permanent damage in vaginal sex. The last bit in parenthesis was just a joke but you could still address the part about oral sex. You said that anal sex is wrong because it causes damage and pain. If that's the case then vaginal sex must also be wrong and the only form of sex that could be right is oral as that is least likely to cause pain and damage. Do you have a response to this last bit or are you simply going to ignore it again?

You have absolutely no idea what youa re talking about and this nonsense is particulalry disgusting.

If you want to go there you could also say that for your Nose, your ear, and your belly button, even empty Eye sockets.... but you don't see that happening except in extremely perverse and disgusting places. stop with your crap and try a real aproach rather than somethign you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

If every person were to turn Gay today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

saying "well not everyone is gay" or that there is enough people having children that people can afford to be gay" is like saying that there's enough people to push a cart, so i'm going to be lazy sit back and watch everyone else work.

So why does the God of the Bible care about homosexuality? because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission. according to the Laws set forth in manstream Christian doctrine. It's that simple, question answered.

let's stop this before another "Gay Thread" goes nowhere like all the others that got locked before it, because homosexual community gets offended at anything.

 

[standing_alone]

If every person were to turn Gay today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

And I'm still going to poke my head in and call bullsh1t here. Homosexual orientation does not equal inability to have heterosexual intercourse and bear offspring. Why is this such a difficult concept for some people?

because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission.

Oh brother...

because homosexual community gets offended at anything.

Maybe it's because of the hostile, trollish way the juvenile, insecure, and uneducated religious bigots try to present their "case."


Oooh, such hostile generalizations are fun!

 

[Fluffy]

So why does the God of the Bible care about homosexuality? because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission. according to the Laws set forth in manstream Christian doctrine. It's that simple, question answered.

You shouldn't be surprised if offense is taken if you say things like this. It is perfectly reasonable for a person to disagree with you and therefore there are positions other than yours which would make such offense reasonable as well. Therefore, it is unfair to characterise the gay community as especially sensitive.

Now with that out of the way, can you please provide an argument for each of the attributes you have listed, referring to scripture if you have to.

 

[McBell]

what's the point of doing so? i would have, only if i was gay.

You do not have to be gay in order to research medical facts.

You have absolutely no idea what youa re talking about and this nonsense is particulalry disgusting.

Actually, pretty much everything she said is documented fact.
Perhaps you should look it up for yourself?

If you want to go there you could also say that for your Nose, your ear, and your belly button, even empty Eye sockets.... but you don't see that happening except in extremely perverse and disgusting places. stop with your crap and try a real aproach rather than somethign you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Perhaps you should take your own advice?
Perversity is in the eyes of the perceiver, NOT in what is being being perceived.
Disgusting is a subjectively relative term.
So here we have two points that show your response is merely an exercise in passion rules reason.

If every person were to turn Gay today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

Are you really truly that ignorant?
or are you still exercising passion rules reason?

saying "well not everyone is gay" or that there is enough people having children that people can afford to be gay" is like saying that there's enough people to push a cart, so i'm going to be lazy sit back and watch everyone else work.

What?
This makes no sense.
Oh wait...
You were the one proposing that sex is only for procreation, right?
If so, then it makes perfect sense.

So why does the God of the Bible care about homosexuality? because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission. according to the Laws set forth in manstream Christian doctrine. It's that simple, question answered.

I fail to find that verse anywhere in the Bible.
Perhaps you can present the verse(s) where God says that homosexuality is "Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission."

Though I strongly suspect that you are making all manner of liberations with what the Bible actually does say about it.

let's stop this before another "Gay Thread" goes nowhere like all the others that got locked before it, because homosexual community gets offended at anything.

Good idea.
Seems the easiest way to prevent this thread from being locked is for you to stop spouting nonsense.
Something tells me that that is NOT going to happen.

So it seems you are once again, you are not taking your own advice.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If every person were to turn Gay today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

saying "well not everyone is gay" or that there is enough people having children that people can afford to be gay" is like saying that there's enough people to push a cart, so i'm going to be lazy sit back and watch everyone else work.

Don't you realize how flat-out silly this argument you're making is? Hopefully, a slight change will make it clear what's wrong with your argument:

If every person were to become a doctor today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

Saying "well, not everyone is a doctor" or that there are enough people growing and processing food that people can afford to be doctors is like saying that there's enough people to push a cart, so i'm going to be lazy sit back and watch everyone else work.

 

[MoonWater]

You have absolutely no idea what youa re talking about and this nonsense is particulalry disgusting.

If you want to go there you could also say that for your Nose, your ear, and your belly button, even empty Eye sockets.... but you don't see that happening except in extremely perverse and disgusting places. stop with your crap and try a real aproach rather than somethign you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

What on earth do noses, ears, belly buttons, and empty eye sockets have to do with sex? If you think this is all crap then state why, what do you know or have been taught about sex that contradicts what I have said and cite sources to back up your claims. I was merely making a point to counter lava's argument that homosexual sex is wrong. If you want to call it crap fine but explain why it is crap.

If every person were to turn Gay today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

No it would not as people would still be able to have heterosexual sex and still bear offspring. They may not like the heterosexual sex as much but it doesn't mean they can't do it or can't reproduce. Oh and through the wonders of science and technology it is also possible to get pregnant and have children without ever having sex at all. So even if everyone turned gay and refused to have heterosexual sex as a result we could still continue the population.

saying "well not everyone is gay" or that there is enough people having children that people can afford to be gay" is like saying that there's enough people to push a cart, so i'm going to be lazy sit back and watch everyone else work.

Again you seem to be making the point that sex is for reproductive purposes only and that unless your using it to reproduce you shouldn't be doing it at all. So what about infertile couples who have sex? Are they as sinful as homosexuals having homosexual sex? They can't reproduce. This is a point you have continuously ignored.

So why does the God of the Bible care about homosexuality? because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission. according to the Laws set forth in manstream Christian doctrine. It's that simple, question answered.

And your support for these claims is.......

let's stop this before another "Gay Thread" goes nowhere like all the others that got locked before it, because homosexual community gets offended at anything.

It's only going nowehere because you and many others refuse to look beyond your bigotry and really examine the arguments at hand. If your presented with an argument instead of countering it you simply call it rubbish or ignore it all together and don't bother explaining why. When you do that you are not debating your merely stating an opinion. We aren't(or at least I'm not) here to attack your beliefs but merely to get you to explain them to us and explain why which you have failed to do.
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[Sunstone]

Don't you realize how flat-out silly this argument you're making is? Hopefully, a slight change will make it clear what's wrong with your argument:

If every person were to become a doctor today, the entire world's population would die off in a single generation.

Saying "well, not everyone is a doctor" or that there are enough people growing and processing food that people can afford to be doctors is like saying that there's enough people to push a cart, so i'm going to be lazy sit back and watch everyone else work.

Great post! Frubals!


(I still think the answer to the OP involves the profound mystery of cooties.)

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I think many of our religious friends cannot distinguish between an unethical activity and (what they percieve to be) a "gross" one.

Everyone ought to be able to distinguish between an unethical behavior--e.g. one that causes harm--and an ethical (or neutral) behavior, which causes no harm and (for some people) is enjoyable and fulfilling.

Within the subset of unethical behavior:

Religious moderates ought to be able to distinguish between an activity that is "unethical" according to their religious beliefs (eating pork, working on Sundays), and one that can be universally deemd unethical (murder, rape, theft).

An example: according to Christianity, knowingly rejecting Christ's sacrifice is a terrible sin--even worse than being homosexual. Yet, most Christians extend a tolerance and understanding towards Jews and other Christ-deniers that they do not extend toward homosexuals.

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This asymmetry indicates, to me, cherry-picking of one's religious beliefs to reinforce a prejudice fueled by a natural disgust.

I admit that I have some disgust at the thought of two men engaging in anal sex. I'm also disgusted at the thought of putting mayonnaise on french fries. But our primitive emotions must not be misinterpreted as an indicator of morality.

 

[gnomon]

So why does the God of the Bible care about homosexuality? because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission. according to the Laws set forth in manstream Christian doctrine. It's that simple, question answered.

let's stop this before another "Gay Thread" goes nowhere like all the others that got locked before it, because homosexual community gets offended at anything.

This is simply an act of stupidity.

There are numerous threads on this forum detailing sexuality, homosexuality and the natural aspects of the human condition. You would do better to read some of those rather than insult others from a stand of ignorance.

Because, to be quite frank, these threads are usually closed due to the obstinance and ignorance of such statements as quoted above.

Angellous has some good threads on early Christian theological beliefs. Check some of those out.

Also, how does your theology address this,
What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

Of particular note is that homosexuality is a sin against nature. However, almost all the modern science shows us that homosexuality is natural. While many theologians and believers take the view that such sexuality is natural and that homosexuals should remain chaste you proclaim a broad sweeping characterization of sinfulness just for being homosexual.

Yet, if its natural, then God would have made them that way. Arguing your position from an apparent contradiction doesn't speak much about your reasoning skills.

And what Laws of mainstream Christian doctrine. Roman Catholicism, Orthodox, Lutheranism, the Anglican Church, the Baptists or perhaps......the LDS. Except the latter isn't mainstream.

 

[exl2398]

So why does the God of the Bible care about homosexuality? because Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission. according to the Laws set forth in manstream Christian doctrine. It's that simple, question answered.

Evidence?

 

[Sunstone]

Homosexuality = Selfishness, carnality, laziness, rebellion, disrepsect, crimes against nature, and sins of Omission

Oh! Dear! I certainly hope not!