Why does God hate Homosexuals and why did he create them?

[Heneni]

Hello Dallas

It didnt harden my heart. It opened my windows of perception. So now when i encounter a homosexual, im informed, not ignorant, or surprised. Always give the next homosexual the benefit of the doubt. But never doubt the bible.

Hello Autodidact

There are? Im not surprised.

Heneni

 

[Tau]

What do you propose?

Making sure that as few people convert to Christianity as possible...what has Christianity ever done for the world apart from launch crusades, conduct inquisitions, burned witches and heretics (free thinkers), decieved the illiterate, started wars, taken money from the poor in the form of tithes, ethnically cleansed various races, persecuted homosexuals, taught falsehoods like creationism, taught man to be submissive to authority and not to question, told poor africans not to use condoms and let them die of aids...the list of crimes goes on for a few pages, but one day justice will be done.

Karma dear boy, I won't lift a finger.

 

[DallasApple]

Making sure that as few people convert to Christianity as possible...what has Christianity ever done for the world apart from launch crusades, conduct inquisitions, burned witches and heretics (free thinkers), decieved the illiterate, started wars, taken money from the poor in the form of tithes, ethnically cleansed various races, persecuted homosexuals, taught falsehoods like creationism, taught man to be submissive to authority and not to question, told poor africans not to use condoms and let them die of aids...the list of crimes goes on for a few pages, but one day justice will be done.

Karma dear boy, I won't lift a finger.

Christianity has had possitive "results" in many individuals lives..We arent all war mongering bigots that dont beleive in contraception to have baby after baby and to kill people off with aides...

My cousin goes to Africa regulary ...he does spread the word but he also brings relief and education...

Love

Dallas

 

[Heneni]

Heneni, why do you assume any of that had to do with their being homosexual? It seems pretty odd for 6 friends to just "dump" you all of a sudden for no reason. I find it hard to believe that they would all "betray" you like that. It seems to me that either you had a part in it that you don't see because of your prejudice, or the whole situation was not the way you perceived it. I'd be more inclined to believe that your opinion on homosexuality clouded your perception of the actual events, than to believe that these people all just treated you like dirt for no reason, and then "dumped" you. It might be best to take a more objective look at the whole situation, if you can.

Yes of course I had a part to play in it. Except you might think that i was playing the part of the oppressor, but instead i was playing the part of the oppressee.

And they loved it, as long as i considered myself 'below' them, they were fine with me. And when they were done with me, they tossed me away like a piece of trash. I didnt loose them all at once, but in the course of a month or two things started to get nasty. I know why, long story short, i was of no use to them anymore.

You dont have to believe my account. You certainly dont have to. The experience was intended to open my eyes of perception, and so god allowed me to learn more about life and people. And i wont doubt those scriptures about sexual perversion again!

Have you ever thought about coming out of the closet?

Heneni

 

[Tau]

Christianity has had possitive "results" in many individuals lives..We arent all war mongering bigots that dont beleive in contraception to have baby after baby and to kill people off with aides...

My cousin goes to Africa regulary ...he does spread the word but he also brings relief and education...

Love

Dallas

You know what?

I know that there are some very decent christians out there, good people, but sadly it is a faith that has been hijacked by the wicked for centuries and now I don't believe a word of the Bible, I know who wrote the Bible, and it wasn't God.
The Church I blame, the shell that has grown over the faith, squeezing God into the shape it wants...

 

[Magic Man]

Yes of course I had a part to play in it. Except you might think that i was playing the part of the oppressor, but instead i was playing the part of the oppressee.

And they loved it, as long as i considered myself 'below' them, they were fine with me. And when they were done with me, they tossed me away like a piece of trash. I didnt loose them all at once, but in the course of a month or two things started to get nasty. I know why, long story short, i was of no use to them anymore.

You dont have to believe my account. You certainly dont have to. The experience was intended to open my eyes of perception, and so god allowed me to learn more about life and people. And i wont doubt those scriptures about sexual perversion again!

Have you ever thought about coming out of the closet?

Heneni

Why would you imply that I might be gay? Because I fight against prejudice against them? I do not happen to be gay, but I don't take that as the insult it seems to imply.

It's not about me believing your account. It's the fact that I think it's only your perception of the events, which is clouded. I think you should look at it from a different point of view to get a more realistic account of what happened. I would love to hear your friends' version of the story, because I'm sure it differs greatly from yours.

Can you give examples of why you thought that they considered you "beneath" them? Also of what use you were to them when you were friends, and what gave you the impression that they felt you were no longer of use to them? Those are very important details in discovering the causes of the whole situation. Also, how did you meet them in the first place?

You might have very good reasons for thinking what yo do, and the situation might have played out exactly as you describe, but when you start off with the belief that all homosexuals are bad, immoral, and messed up in the head because you read it in a book, it makes it seem like that would very much cloud your judgement.

 

[doppelganger]

Have you ever thought about coming out of the closet?

Heneni

Time out.

Are you suggesting that anyone who disagrees with your imposition of your judgments on homosexual behavior must be homosexual?

 

[DallasApple]

You know what?

I know that there are some very decent christians out there, good people, but sadly it is a faith that has been hijacked by the wicked for centuries and now I don't believe a word of the Bible, I know who wrote the Bible, and it wasn't God.
The Church I blame, the shell that has grown over the faith, squeezing God into the shape it wants...

I try not to waste my time with the warped..I say how I feel...Then I move on..In -fighting amongst Christians is not how Jesus wanted it..IMHO...Its a distracting and quite frankly a waste of my time...Let the morally righteous sit in their ivory towers casting stones upon my head...My head has a fairly strong cranium...

If they get happy that that is "thier job'...then so be it..

Clashing gongs and cymbals never got through to me..Because Im a milk and honey kind of gal...

Love

Dallas

 

[doppelganger]

You know what?

I know that there are some very decent christians out there, good people, but sadly it is a faith that has been hijacked by the wicked for centuries and now I don't believe a word of the Bible, I know who wrote the Bible, and it wasn't God.
The Church I blame, the shell that has grown over the faith, squeezing God into the shape it wants...

And hearkening back to the point DallasApple made earlier, Paul in Romans "Chapter 2" not only goes on to explain that judging other people shows contempt for the riches of "God's" kindness, but further points out that "God" is blasphemed among the nations by such hypocrisy.

I understand why they do it, but the utterance of hateful and prejudicial things by "Christians" does nothing but stain the Gospel itself with their sin.

Perhaps this is why "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is unforgivable. To judge is to be judged. Those who attribute their own judgments upon others to the "Spirit of God" have thereby spit on God's grace.

 

[fantome profane]

To judge is to be judged. Those who attribute their own judgments upon others to the "Spirit of God" have thereby spit on God's grace.

There are not enough frubals!

 

[texan1]

Hello Dallas

It didnt harden my heart. It opened my windows of perception. So now when i encounter a homosexual, im informed, not ignorant, or surprised. Always give the next homosexual the benefit of the doubt. But never doubt the bible.

Hello Autodidact

There are? Im not surprised.

Heneni

It's probably pointless, but I get upset by threads like this and now I feel compelled to tell a different story.

I happen to live in a city that has a large gay & lesbian population. Which is great by the way - all of the coolest cities have higher than average gay populations. We have wonderful Arts & Entertainment, great shopping , restaurants and salons. Trust me - the gays have a lot to do with that! Lol!

Anyway, I have several friends that happen to be homosexual. My life is so much richer for it. I am talking about kind, funny, loyal, encouraging people. Their homosexuality in no way defines them and in all the years I've known them, we have never talked about their sex life. First and foremost they are great friends. They just happen to be homosexual.

One friend of mine in particular passed away recently due to cancer. He was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. He gave the very best of himself to everyone around him, and he looked for the best in everyone he knew. So giving....I could go on and on. He was often recognized by the city for his contributions to the community. He was an inspiration to me and I will never forget him. I tear up just writing this. When he died, there was a memorial held at a huge outdoor theatre. There wasn't room for everyone to fit in a church and I don't even know whether or not he belonged to one. It was incredible the amount of people who were there, from all walks of life. We were all brought together by this wonderful man. The impact he made, his love...it will be felt for many years to come. Why anyone would consider him to be less of a person, or "less moral" because of his sexual orientation is so beyond me.

Anyway, sorry to get all sappy and off subject here, but I just want to make the point that some individual jerks, or some drunk obnoxious people you might witness in a gay pride parade DO NOT represent all homosexuals. By the same token, I refuse to let any overly rightious, close-minded, judgemental religious people represent all of my wonderful Christian friends.

 

[Heneni]

Hello guys!

LOL...this is exactly what happens when you apparently go against homosexuality. And this is exactly the trend my 'homosexual ' friends followed. As long as you are for them, they will keep you around, as long as you have a problem with them, you are in for it. The problem could be ANY thing, not even about their sexuality...they dont take kindly to critisism.

When are you coming out of the closet mball? Of course you are telling me you are not gay..and i have to believe you...well then believe my story, the way i tell it...dont add a bit of paranoia to it.

Listen, just like you I have the right to make up my own mind about what i think. So thank you all for answers, but you and the homosexual community are so sensitive about their sexuality its not-normal and tiring. And the last time i checked, freedom of speech is still my constitutional right. If you get insulted because my homosexual friends DISSED ME! well then there is no real reason to believe you dont have a debased mind too.

Some homosexuals are bullies too...if you dont like them..they will bully you, vindictive and revengefull. Dont be angry with me, because i tell you what I experienced. Am I not allowed to talk about my experiences? Since when are homosexuals infringing on my right to speak my mind?

If anyone is offended im afraid you took offense without just cause.

The most common way for a homosexual to handle conflict is to gather a crowd, and trust me, the crowd is growing. All sorts of people come out of the closet when it comes to these things. And they throw tantrums until they have their way.

Now which one of you have never judged me on this forum? Hmmmm...Ill give you a break. Judge me all you like, no seriously dont hold back with me...its ok, and be verbal about it too. What doesnt kill me, will make me stronger. I wont use the 'judge not and you will not be judged' scripture as a cop out for being uncomfortably challenged. Do you think i should remember to keep quite about homosexuality since it has become a holy topic?. LOL, that is emotional blackmail! The first thing a homosexual and his friends will tell you when you 'go against' them, is that a christian should not judge. Ah, yes, but then i cant send you to hell, so then how am i really able to judge you? I am however allowed, to form an opinion, if that is alright with you?

If homosexuals really believe that what they are doing is right...why on earth do they always have to be so sensitive about it!

The homosexual community want you to feel sorry for them, for being different, or to acknowledge that it is ok for them to be different. Well for one and a half years it was ok for me that they are different...but what i did not appreciate was their lack of integrity. And please dont underestimate my intelligence. Im quite sure what I experienced.

I experienced emotional blacmail.

PS i have other friends too...so i could clearly notice the difference.

Whatever its worth, a homosexual cant make a point without getting emotional. They rely on uprisings, and controversy, and sympathy, and manipulation.

Now for the 99% of homosexuals out there which is not like this, i applogise and would you consider being my friend?

NO? Im not surprised. Perhaps its more like 9% then? And lets not forget, that if somebody else reads my view, it is their right to disagree. Its not your right to tell me to keep quite.


Heneni
(Anybody for lunch?)

 

[doppelganger]

Now which one of you have never judged me on this forum? Hmmmm...Ill give you a break. Judge me all you like, no seriously dont hold back with me...its ok, and be verbal about it too. What doesnt kill me, will make me stronger. I wont use the 'judge not and you will not be judged' scripture as a cop out for being uncomfortably challenged.

Eh . . .. I think people who fear and judge others see in them a reflection of what they hate in themselves. I don't judge you for that - it is what it is and you can't see things other than the way you see them.

What I hate I will become. What I love becomes me.

 

[Arrow]

I do not know if this argument has been brought to the table, so if it has discard it.

In respect to God and hating homosexuals, i do not see the connection, and feel that it is really off-base from Christian doctrine. Biblically speaking, homosexuality like many other things is held as a sin, but aslo biblically speaking, the predisposition for sinning is there for everyone. If sexual orientation is going to brought to the stand, then so must perpetual lying, stealing, and swearing. All of which are biological dispositions not to mention the sometimes held belief of man's fallen nature. Anyway, I have a hard time believing that God hates homosexuals but not anyone else especially since some of the most revered characters in the Bible did some pretty terrible things, yet God still loved them.

 

[Magic Man]

When are you coming out of the closet mball? Of course you are telling me you are not gay..and i have to believe you...well then believe my story, the way i tell it...dont add a bit of paranoia to it.

The difference is that you don't have to believe me, but my being gay or not being gay doesn't affect anyone else. Your view of homosexuals can have a hugely negative impact on a lot of people, especially considering it probably affects the way you treat them.

Listen, just like you I have the right to make up my own mind about what i think. So thank you all for answers, but you and the homosexual community are so sensitive about their sexuality its not-normal and tiring. And the last time i checked, freedom of speech is still my constitutional right. If you get insulted because my homosexual friends DISSED ME! well then there is no real reason to believe you dont have a debased mind too.

You do have the right to make up your mind. You also have the right to say what you want. I'm not trying to take away your freedom of speech. The problem is that mindsets like the one you've shown tend to harm others, either physically or mentally. It's that kind of mindset that leads to oppression, and there's no good reason for it.

If homosexuals really believe that what they are doing is right...why on earth do they always have to be so sensitive about it!

Maybe because they've been oppressed and treated like second-class citizens for so long because of mindsets like yours. Maybe because they'd like to be treated like regular people, and don't like people promoting prejudice against them, just like you don't like people promoting prejudice against Christians.

The homosexual community want you to feel sorry for them, for being different, or to acknowledge that it is ok for them to be different. Well for one and a half years it was ok for me that they are different...but what i did not appreciate was their lack of integrity. And please dont underestimate my intelligence. Im quite sure what I experienced.

I experienced emotional blacmail.

They don't want you to feel sorry for them. They want you to realize that they're no different from you.

PS i have other friends too...so i could clearly notice the difference.

Because you had a preconceived notion that there was a difference. You made your experiences fit this idea, rather than letting your idea fit your experiences.

Whatever its worth, a homosexual cant make a point without getting emotional. They rely on uprisings, and controversy, and sympathy, and manipulation.

It would help if you'd say "some homosexuals can't make a point..." The problem comes in when you assume it's true for the entire group.

Now for the 99% of homosexuals out there which is not like this, i applogise and would you consider being my friend?

NO? Im not surprised. Perhaps its more like 9% then? And lets not forget, that if somebody else reads my view, it is their right to disagree. Its not your right to tell me to keep quite.


Heneni
(Anybody for lunch?)

I didn't tell you to keep quiet. I'm trying to give you a different perspective. I think it's generally a good thing to take more than one perspective into account on most matters, and then form a tentative conclusion.

I like how you ask a question, then assume the answer, and form a conclusion based on the assumed answer rather than waiting for a real answer, and then proceeding.

 

[Heneni]

I like you doppelganger. I prefer to be myself.

Critisism is widely confused with judging. Having your own opinion is considered to be predujice.

Satan judges god everyday..he hates him..he isnt becoming like god.

This thread is about why does god hate homosexuals...what is the first thing you think when you read it? HOW dare he? HOW can HE? That isnt loving!!!! Or if you are a christian you might automatically want to appologise for god. You see the thread title is intented to discredit God, not to shed light on those he apparently hates. And it is that type of TWISTING that is otherwise known as lying. It could be that the OP wanted to cause a sensation in order to get a response, fair enough, all posters do that now and again. But clearly, the only thing that has come of this thread is more opposition from homosexuals and less willingness to examine WHY god actually says it leads to a debased mind.

 

[DallasApple]

I like you doppelganger. I prefer to be myself.

Critisism is widely confused with judging. Having your own opinion is considered to be predujice.

Satan judges god everyday..he hates him..he isnt becoming like god.

This thread is about why does god hate homosexuals...what is the first thing you think when you read it? HOW dare he? HOW can HE? That isnt loving!!!! Or if you are a christian you might automatically want to appologise for god. You see the thread title is intented to discredit God, not to shed light on those he apparently hates. And it is that type of TWISTING that is otherwise known as lying. It could be that the OP wanted to cause a sensation in order to get a response, fair enough, all posters do that now and again. But clearly, the only thing that has come of this thread is more opposition from homosexuals and less willingness to examine WHY god actually says it leads to a debased mind.

Do you have any thoughts on why God actually says it (homosexuality) leads to a debased mind?

Love

Dallas

 

[doppelganger]

Critisism is widely confused with judging. Having your own opinion is considered to be predujice.

Indeed. But sometimes "hating" is justified as "criticism." While, one is certainly entitled to speak and think whatever they want, it is also the case that such fear and hatred results in genuine hurt, and a lack of communication and understanding.

Satan judges god everyday..he hates him..he isnt becoming like god.

Unless you're "Satan" you don't know that.

This thread is about why does god hate homosexuals...what is the first thing you think when you read it? HOW dare he? HOW can HE? That isnt loving!!!!

I agree, it isn't loving. Love happens beyond good and evil.

Or if you are a christian you might automatically want to appologise for god. You see the thread title is intented to discredit God, not to shed light on those he apparently hates.

Lots of images of "God" are vehicles for hatred and violence. If I want to represent that my image of "God" is not the same as that presented by those who spread hurt and dissension, then yes, I'd have to do some apologizing.

In any case, the way I see it, "God" is the one that needs redeeming.

I think you mean well, Heneni. It's easy to forget in moments of self-righteousness, guided by certainty in holy texts and revelations, that those who I am condemning and insulting are also people with dreams, beliefs and feelings of their own.

 

[Wandered Off]

But clearly, the only thing that has come of this thread is more opposition from homosexuals and less willingness to examine WHY god actually says it leads to a debased mind.

Or perhaps whether.

 

[Heneni]

Yes it leads to self-hatred, selfishness and insecurity.

You know what is the main thought my homosexual friends struggled with? Why am I like this? The next main thought was Why dont others accept me?

In a nutshell...they said 'I dont know why I am like this'...and most of them said they wish they werent, and then in the same conversation they required the accceptance of their fellow humans, when they themselves were not accepting themselves. And this is a debased mind. I dont like myself really, but you should, and while I wish i was different I wont accept you if you dont like me. Emotional blackmail. All the way.

Then there are those that do love themselves. Who like who they are and feel nothing is wrong with them. They are the ones that are the most insecure.

Homosexuals suffer greatly. Not so much from the non-homosexuals but by the torture of their own minds.

What i am saying, is that homosexuals bring their sexuality into every aspect of their lives. It becomes such a big deal that nothing else seems to matter. That is the problem. Why start a church for homosexuals? Why does sexuality have to be a reason to start a church? Why start a gay business, why does that have to be necessary? Why start a gay parade? Why is it necessary to flaunt what should be natural to them?

Homosexuals tend to make everything about their sexuality.

And while they are caught up in this cylce, there is no way of being free from an endless cylce of defeat.

It was never gods intention to find sexual fullfillment with the same sex and if you do, you will have to go to extreme lengths to cope with those feelings. Such extremese that it shuts out most things that are actually more important.

Then there is the uniting of two people when they have sexual intercourse. We might not believe it, but what you take into yourself when you have sex is some of the characteristics of the other partner. Hence many sexually abused children become abusers. Or rapists. We have to listen to god, when he says that two people become one when they have intercourse he means it.

Women that are raped feel dirty. The unclean spirit of the man that raped her becomes part of her, and she wants to take serveral baths after the event. A man that sodomises a boy child feels young again, feels free and innocent. The boy grows up way before his time. Becomes an adult long before it was meant to be his time.

Having sex with another man, if you are a man, makes you feel like a man, but makes you act like a women. Its all deception, and god isnt trying to spoil our fun, he is trying to help us.

Heneni