Why does god rely so heavily on faith?

[Corkscrew]

Pointless...well, it does seem that way. Is it pointless because you can't see where life is going? If so, then ask yourself if you know where life should go. Ask yourself if you every knew that.
If the answer is no (which it should be), then how can life be pointless just because you don't know where it is going?[/quote]

To me, life is an adventure; according to quantum theory, chance and uncertainty is woven into the fabric of our reality. So to a certain degree, we don’t control our own destiny; a plane crash is a prime example. But I do believe that we control our destiny to a very large degree. If I didn’t believe that, I wouldn’t bother fixing the brakes on my car.
If you are asking me if I can predict what tomorrow will bring, the answer is no. But, I also believe that what I do today will have a big impact on what is in store for me tomorrow. I do not believe that my destiny is completely out of my hands. And I certainly do not believe that whether or not I believe in God will depend on whether or not I have control over my destiny.

 

[strikeviperMKII]

To me, life is an adventure; according to quantum theory, chance and uncertainty is woven into the fabric of our reality. So to a certain degree, we don’t control our own destiny; a plane crash is a prime example. But I do believe that we control our destiny to a very large degree. If I didn’t believe that, I wouldn’t bother fixing the brakes on my car.
If you are asking me if I can predict what tomorrow will bring, the answer is no. But, I also believe that what I do today will have a big impact on what is in store for me tomorrow. I do not believe that my destiny is completely out of my hands. And I certainly do not believe that whether or not I believe in God will depend on whether or not I have control over my destiny.

Yes, it is good to have control isn't it? No we can't really see what tomorrow has, but we can handle it on our own. We don't need God, we don't even need to believe he's there. Yeah, I used to think that.
Faith goes against this way of thinking. It's not wrong to think this way, its just so much better if you have faith, and you have faith properly. In order to get that better life, you must give up control. That's the whole point.

 

[Corkscrew]

Yes, it is good to have control isn't it? No we can't really see what tomorrow has, but we can handle it on our own. We don't need God, we don't even need to believe he's there. Yeah, I used to think that.
Faith goes against this way of thinking. It's not wrong to think this way, its just so much better if you have faith, and you have faith properly. In order to get that better life, you must give up control. That's the whole point.

If this works for you, I say go with it.

 

[strikeviperMKII]

If this works for you, I say go with it.

Well thanks.

 

[Evandr]

The Bible states that he parted the Red Sea and did all sorts of other miraculous things. The people who witnessed these events never had to rely on faith; they had the benefit of having his powers demonstrated to them first hand. If I were to witness the same things that these people saw, I too would be onboard with the whole thing.

I doubt it; those who witnessed these great miracles still cast up gold idols and worshipped false Gods at the foot of Mt Sinai. Witnessing signs has never made a big difference to mankind; however, they do love to use the lack of signs as a reason for not getting on board with the whole thing.

 

[Jacksnyte]

I doubt it; those who witnessed these great miracles still cast up gold idols and worshipped false Gods at the foot of Mt Sinai. Witnessing signs has never made a big difference to mankind; however, they do love to use the lack of signs as a reason for not getting on board with the whole thing.

If a divine miracle-working savior were to appear today, they would have a smattering of followers, and everyone else would consider them a charlatan, and either ignore them, or do nasty things to them. Most people don't really want actual proof of their faith, they want to look forward to seeing it one day, but they don't want it standing in front of them!

 

[jojo50]

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God doesn’t need to have faith in man,he already believes in them/us ,because he created us. He knows without a doubt we’re real. You’re RIGHT.. It’s humans who need to have faith. Also you have to understand this…Adam and eve were Perfect,until they sinned against Jehovah God. Which cause all humans after them to be imperct.

Still…those men of old… Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Noah, etc., were closer to perfection then we are today. We’re living at then end of this system. We just don’t know when that end will come. God does many things for a reason. With the Israelies, you have to understand, they were being taking away from a government that though controlled them, also feed and housed them.

even Thought they worship this unseen God,they didn’t know of his power or if he could protect them from pharaoh. therefore God showed many signs,to let them know I’m real and here with you.God has much proof to show he’s real…for those who’s seeking. Many said the flood wasn’t real, neither the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah,even saying Jesus wasn’t real. Yet there are archaeologists who proved them true. I’ve heard many ask for proof, as I said time and time again…WE don’t have the physical
Proof that’ll make someone who either feels the need to have that proof. Or for those who really don’t care to know, but just wants to test another, satisfied. God had enough proof of his existence. for those who seeking, to know he’s real.

Think about this… many have seen,and talk to “ghost”,( though they’re not dead people as many want to believe). But demons pretending to be dead loved ones,(but that’s another whole topic). Some will say..it’s all in ones head,or they might have been dreaming. Well I’m hear to tell you, i NOT only witness an entity. But my sister who was with me also seen it. so i wasn't dreaming and it wasn't in my head.

We both were so afraid ,(we were teens by the way), we were screaming and crying.and I’ll tell you what….it stood there for about what seem like hours. But I had to been at least 30 seconds before it faded away. It just stood there staring in my direction, my sister was on the other side of our bedroom. NOW for ME…
Even if I was to believe the world wasn’t created by a God,but by some big bang theory.

That still wouldn’t explain to me,why we saw what we did. And even if it WAS a dead human.,how did it come to do what it did. My thought was…there’s something out there I didn’t know about. Simply put, if I can believe what I seen,then I can believe there’s a Grand creator,someone i CAN'T SEE, peace.

 

[Corkscrew]

I doubt it; those who witnessed these great miracles still cast up gold idols and worshipped false Gods at the foot of Mt Sinai. Witnessing signs has never made a big difference to mankind; however, they do love to use the lack of signs as a reason for not getting on board with the whole thing.

The point I’m trying to make is that without the benefit of any evidence, why on Earth would I conclude that man’s Bible, or any other religious belief for that matter, is correct? I cannot force myself to believe something based solely on the fact that someone else believes it. I find it hard to believe that a creator would be upset with me for not believing something that someone else believes.

 

[Rainy]

For me, the principle matter of faith is confidence. Acting in confidence is superior to reacting in fear. I learned that from life experiences.

Confidence is acquired. God expects us to earn our own.

 

[Corkscrew]

For me, the principle matter of faith is confidence. Acting in confidence is superior to reacting in fear. I learned that from life experiences.

Confidence is acquired. God expects us to earn our own.

I agree, and I have confidence that man has religion completely wrong.

 

[Corkscrew]

God doesn’t need to have faith in man,he already believes in them/us ,because he created us. He knows without a doubt we’re real. You’re RIGHT.. It’s humans who need to have faith. Also you have to understand this…Adam and eve were Perfect,until they sinned against Jehovah God. Which cause all humans after them to be imperct.

Still…those men of old… Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Noah, etc., were closer to perfection then we are today. We’re living at then end of this system. We just don’t know when that end will come. God does many things for a reason. With the Israelies, you have to understand, they were being taking away from a government that though controlled them, also feed and housed them.

even Thought they worship this unseen God,they didn’t know of his power or if he could protect them from pharaoh. therefore God showed many signs,to let them know I’m real and here with you.God has much proof to show he’s real…for those who’s seeking. Many said the flood wasn’t real, neither the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah,even saying Jesus wasn’t real. Yet there are archaeologists who proved them true. I’ve heard many ask for proof, as I said time and time again…WE don’t have the physical
Proof that’ll make someone who either feels the need to have that proof. Or for those who really don’t care to know, but just wants to test another, satisfied. God had enough proof of his existence. for those who seeking, to know he’s real.

Think about this… many have seen,and talk to “ghost”,( though they’re not dead people as many want to believe). But demons pretending to be dead loved ones,(but that’s another whole topic). Some will say..it’s all in ones head,or they might have been dreaming. Well I’m hear to tell you, i NOT only witness an entity. But my sister who was with me also seen it. so i wasn't dreaming and it wasn't in my head.

We both were so afraid ,(we were teens by the way), we were screaming and crying.and I’ll tell you what….it stood there for about what seem like hours. But I had to been at least 30 seconds before it faded away. It just stood there staring in my direction, my sister was on the other side of our bedroom. NOW for ME…
Even if I was to believe the world wasn’t created by a God,but by some big bang theory.

That still wouldn’t explain to me,why we saw what we did. And even if it WAS a dead human.,how did it come to do what it did. My thought was…there’s something out there I didn’t know about. Simply put, if I can believe what I seen,then I can believe there’s a Grand creator,someone i CAN'T SEE, peace.

Jo Jo, do you take acid?

 

[Flux]

Jo Jo, do you take acid?

sounds more like dartura...

 

[Corkscrew]

sounds more like dartura...

Or maybe she left her home in Tucson, Arizona, for some California grass. Get back Jojo.

 

[AllanV]

Faith is required to make a transformation from something that is familiar to something that is unfamiliar and cant be comprehended from the present viewpoint.
Humans have a fixed consciousness. We need to explore good and evil in an experiential way. There are many shades to this. When people are observed we see do gooders, nasties, they all tend to want to project a deep seated image that is their reality and belief at work. Every human does this.

There is another consciousness that is said to lead to immortality. The nature and mind of Jesus Christ was acceptable and perfect. At 33 years old he resisted the normal human consciousness all the way to being murdered by the religious authorities of the time.

There is no way the human mind can accept or fathom this other mind and consciousness, we are hard wired to this experience we enjoy or at least learn to accept.
Certain steps can be taken to unravel one consciousness, a rather unnerving, almost frightening experience and then in an act of faith experiencing the other one. Faith is required because the other consciousness may not be there, it is necessary to hope and believe the mind will survive because that is where we learn to be safe. We learn to be safe in our own familiar mind that is really under peer, and social pressure. You do not want to be thought of as insane.

Science is discovering a lot about aging and there is a statement by someone that says "live longer and live for ever". What is being said is, the time is coming when death could be beaten by science. But would the human mind be able to really cope. The way things are now and where they could be leading, resource shortages and violence, would mean hardship.

But the Bible seems to have preempted what was going to be discovered at this time in history.
The answer to the whole question is all through the scriptures.

 

[outhouse]

Why does god rely so heavily on faith?

because without faith he does not exist at all.

Most of all scripture were fables written about allegorical tales of the past. There were no eyewitnesses to any event in the bible as most ever author is unknown.

without faith the ancient hebrew god fails

 

[AllanV]

because without faith he does not exist at all.[end]

God does exist but is hidden until some faith is exercised.

God is removed from sight, but God is close at hand and not far off.

It is own mind power that hides god. Where does all human behavior come from, out of the mind. Human mind power leads all mankind into all behavior that is seen. Even people who live a relatively good life and are not bad, construct their life using own mind power. But most are manipulated and controlled by another persons power in a pecking order of life situations.

 

[Evandr]

The point I’m trying to make is that without the benefit of any evidence, why on Earth would I conclude that man’s Bible, or any other religious belief for that matter, is correct? I cannot force myself to believe something based solely on the fact that someone else believes it. I find it hard to believe that a creator would be upset with me for not believing something that someone else believes.

That is reasonable; Nothing of this earth can convert you, only the spirit of God communicating with your spirit can do that, however, fertile ground and real desire must be manifest. A little more work needs to be done than to sit in a Church and say "let me have it Lord - it's now or never; come on God, do your thing and make me believe". If our Heavenly father were to do things that way then your spirituality would be built on a foundation of sand; there would be no strength in it because there was no real effort in gaining a testimony.

The Lord made the challenge by equating it to a seed; plant the seed and if it is a good seed then what begins to grow (assuming it is planted in fertile ground) will feel good and then, line upon lined and precept upon precept, your knowledge will grow and your faith will grow accordingly but it takes work and the humility to recognize it for what it is the same as literally billions have heretofore done. It's called being reborn from the carnal to the spiritual and I can attest that it can be done, it happens all the time to a lot of people and it has nothing to do with being in the limelight of someone else; if you are to gain the benefit you have to do the work yourself and be willing to be led by the spirit; that is the catch - who you are in your heart will determine how easy or hard that is for you; determining that is why we are all here in the first place.

 

[Corkscrew]

That is reasonable; Nothing of this earth can convert you, only the spirit of God communicating with your spirit can do that, however, fertile ground and real desire must be manifest. A little more work needs to be done than to sit in a Church and say "let me have it Lord - it's now or never; come on God, do your thing and make me believe". If our Heavenly father were to do things that way then your spirituality would be built on a foundation of sand; there would be no strength in it because there was no real effort in gaining a testimony.

The Lord made the challenge by equating it to a seed; plant the seed and if it is a good seed then what begins to grow (assuming it is planted in fertile ground) will feel good and then, line upon lined and precept upon precept, your knowledge will grow and your faith will grow accordingly but it takes work and the humility to recognize it for what it is the same as literally billions have heretofore done. It's called being reborn from the carnal to the spiritual and I can attest that it can be done, it happens all the time to a lot of people and it has nothing to do with being in the limelight of someone else; if you are to gain the benefit you have to do the work yourself and be willing to be led by the spirit; that is the catch - who you are in your heart will determine how easy or hard that is for you; determining that is why we are all here in the first place.

You say “my faith will grow”; well I just have to ask, my faith in what? I hate to sound like a kill-joy, but you are giving me instructions based on your religious beliefs. How do I know your instructions are correct? There are many religious beliefs on this planet and they don’t all agree. How do I know which one is correct, or even if any of them are correct (which I highly doubt)? Will the creator punish me for not choosing the correct religion?

When it comes to religious belief, numbers don’t impress me. I really don’t care if every single person on the face of this planet believes in one particular religion; that does not make it true. One thing about religion is that no one knows more than anyone else about it. There may be experts on particular religious beliefs, but there are no experts on what the actual truth is. You are free to conclude whatever you want and no one can prove you right or wrong.

 

[outhouse]

God does exist but is hidden until some faith is exercised.

so he acts like a spooked cat,,,,, just wonderful

God is removed from sight, but God is close at hand and not far off.

so you know more about this mythological deity then anyone else alive???????

It is own mind power that hides god.

so thinking hides god [facepalm]

 

[waitasec]

because without faith he does not exist at all.[end]

God does exist but is hidden until some faith is exercised.

God is removed from sight, but God is close at hand and not far off.

It is own mind power that hides god. Where does all human behavior come from, out of the mind. Human mind power leads all mankind into all behavior that is seen. Even people who live a relatively good life and are not bad, construct their life using own mind power. But most are manipulated and controlled by another persons power in a pecking order of life situations.

but wouldn't you say that human mind power created this image of god via a defense mechanism to find strength and courage in the comfort of being loved unconditionally, even though it may be undeserved?

lets see what is more probable...

an uncaused cause which is indifferent to sentience
or
an uncaused cause who cares if you're believer in it