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Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?
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Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
Israel's been looking for a conflict for a while, anyway. Let's not forget that it's not only Palestine it's attacked. It has also attacked Lebanon, Sudan and Syria killing, conveniently, mostly die-hard Muslsims in 'believed to be' attacks.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The UN does not have an opinion on anything
The UN is a forum for expressing its members views and presenting their evidence.
Its resolutions are the result of a consensus and a free vote.
To claim that the UN is anti-Israel or anti-Jew is to claim that the nations of the world are anti-Jew.
The truth of the matter is, that collectively it is impartial.
At one time or another its resolutions have condemned all countries that have bridged its charters or committed other international crimes. Israel has not been immune from this process nor should it be.
You have a curious definition of truth.
More antisemitic drivel.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I was not aware that I have defined truth.
I only stated some thing that is logically true.
That is unless you were to hold the belief that a large majority of the countries in the world are ganging up against israel
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
More antisemitic drivel.
Why do you always punctuate lost arguments by claims of antisetism.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Apparently your teachers failed at teaching you about something called "cause and effect". And common sense would suggest that Israel wouldn't be 'looking for a conflict" whereas doing as such is too costly in both lives and economics for all sides involved. None of the above conflicts was caused by Israel, so congrats on winning the Revisionist History Award.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
More antisemitic drivel.
Right. Keep playing that anti-semetic card, you sad little man. It wont prevent my critcism of Israel.
Gaza has a population density of over five thousand people per square kilometer.
I'm no expert, but I assume it is all but impossible to build a military site with no civilians around.
Nor would there be a point in attempting to build one. After all, the IDF would simply destroy it before it was even finished.
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but that is how it seems to me.
I'm no expert, but I assume it is all but impossible to build a military site with no civilians around.
Nor would there be a point in attempting to build one. After all, the IDF would simply destroy it before it was even finished.
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but that is how it seems to me.
Levite
Higher and Higher
I didn't see any lost arguments, I saw a correct identification of anti-Semitism. You may not have recognized it, since you seem to be of the opinion that anti-Semitism doesn't exist anymore.
If the roles were reverses, Israel would not be launching rockets from the kinds of civilian sites that Hamas is. I hope we can at the very least establish that Hamas uses human shields, especially given that they say they do?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There are open areas but obviously Hamas doesn't generally launch larger missiles from there when fighting Israel because the launchers are mobile but take some time to assemble and tear down. They store their weapons even in peaceful conditions in tunnels, schools, mosques, houses, and supposedly the main headquarters right now is in the basement of a large hospital in Gaza City.
In theory you're correct. In principle the UN has been manipulated, distorted, and blackmailed.
To what end? You think Israel is striving for world domination like ISIS is?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
By whom?
over recent years it has found aginst
the Uk
USA
Russia
china
many African states
Most Arabic and north African states
most south American states
many far Eastern states
both Israel and the palastinians
THE UN is clearly not prejudiced against any particular country or race
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Anti semitism certainy exists
however it is very often misused when referring to any critism against Israel.
It is in this context that it has become devalued and meaningless.
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Bravo :clap
We should probably discuss what anti-semitism actually is.
It seems to me that it is indeed over-used as an accusation.
Even allowing for the peculiar circunstances of Israel, Judaism and the Jewish People, anti-semitism seems to be some (probably variable) combination of these elements.
1. Rejection and/or mistrust of the Jewish People and its values and goals.
2. Rejection and/or mistrust of Israel as a nation and sovereign state (by itself, anti-zionism)
3. Rejection and/or mistrust of Judaism as a faith and a source of values.
Undesirable as those elements all are, they are not inherently shameful. They are just specific stances of prejudice and racism. Not inherently much different or any worse than prejudice and racism against (or for) say, Arabs, Latinos, people of Asian or African ascendency, Native Americans, French or North-Americans. All of those exist aplenty. It became fashionable in the USA to ridicule France some ten years ago, if you will recall.
If anti-semitism is remarkable among other such examples, it is mostly because it has been going for so long and made so many victims while other forms of prejudice and racism often end up forgotten, not rarely because the targets became extinct.
Still, I fail to see the point of accusing someone of anti-semitism except as a claim of unfairness and partiality - which means little in and of itself and should be expected to be freely ignored - or as an invitation to learn more about Israel / Judaism / the Jewish People before deciding to judge them - and that, too, should be seen as an appeal instead of as a duty.
For good or worse, racism and prejudice exist in many forms and can only be solved by extermination of their targets, by distancing oneself from them, or by learning better about them.
But the problem is not so much that they exist as it is that they are often used to justify actions and choices that should not be.
It seems to me that it is indeed over-used as an accusation.
Even allowing for the peculiar circunstances of Israel, Judaism and the Jewish People, anti-semitism seems to be some (probably variable) combination of these elements.
1. Rejection and/or mistrust of the Jewish People and its values and goals.
2. Rejection and/or mistrust of Israel as a nation and sovereign state (by itself, anti-zionism)
3. Rejection and/or mistrust of Judaism as a faith and a source of values.
Undesirable as those elements all are, they are not inherently shameful. They are just specific stances of prejudice and racism. Not inherently much different or any worse than prejudice and racism against (or for) say, Arabs, Latinos, people of Asian or African ascendency, Native Americans, French or North-Americans. All of those exist aplenty. It became fashionable in the USA to ridicule France some ten years ago, if you will recall.
If anti-semitism is remarkable among other such examples, it is mostly because it has been going for so long and made so many victims while other forms of prejudice and racism often end up forgotten, not rarely because the targets became extinct.
Still, I fail to see the point of accusing someone of anti-semitism except as a claim of unfairness and partiality - which means little in and of itself and should be expected to be freely ignored - or as an invitation to learn more about Israel / Judaism / the Jewish People before deciding to judge them - and that, too, should be seen as an appeal instead of as a duty.
For good or worse, racism and prejudice exist in many forms and can only be solved by extermination of their targets, by distancing oneself from them, or by learning better about them.
But the problem is not so much that they exist as it is that they are often used to justify actions and choices that should not be.