Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?

[Levite]

FWIW, I don't think any of us, when we point out something is anti-Semitic, believe we are going to change the mind of the one who said it, or evince from them any showing of remorse. When we point out the anti-Semitism, it is partially for the benefit of third parties, to provide context and clarity of our disagreement; and partially it is to call people on the use of a bigoted idea-- especially as these days with the rise of the "I don't have a problem with Jews, I just hate Israel" excuse becomes more and more prevalent, and sometimes people may not even realize what they are saying is anti-Semitic. Or, as we see here, having learned it, they simply don't care: they keep repeating the same anti-Semitic things, just with the caveat that they "are not anti-Semites." But even so, there is a value to pointing out bigotry even when nothing changes.

 

[LuisDantas]

Fair enough.

 

[Godobeyer]

FWIW, I don't think any of us, when we point out something is anti-Semitic, believe we are going to change the mind of the one who said it, or evince from them any showing of remorse. When we point out the anti-Semitism, it is partially for the benefit of third parties, to provide context and clarity of our disagreement; and partially it is to call people on the use of a bigoted idea-- especially as these days with the rise of the "I don't have a problem with Jews, I just hate Israel" excuse becomes more and more prevalent, and sometimes people may not even realize what they are saying is anti-Semitic. Or, as we see here, having learned it, they simply don't care: they keep repeating the same anti-Semitic things, just with the caveat that they "are not anti-Semites." But even so, there is a value to pointing out bigotry even when nothing changes.

I just want to know what is anti-semitic for you :


I don't hate ALL the jews , I have the just racist Jews , is this anti-semitic for you

I don't hate ALL the Jews , I hate Israeli regime , I want Israel regime to stop beieing racist/abuse and distingue with Muslims inside Israel, when Israeli-Jew=Israeli-Muslim, i would stop hate Israel . is this anti-semitic .

I don't hate ALL the jews , I hate the Israeli soldiers whom killed innocents in Gaza , is this anti-semitic .

this thread would make understand (the opposed opinion) why we hate Israel regime .

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...0-did-you-ever-suffered-racist-occupated.html

 

[Godobeyer]

Levite
BTW is that thread is anti-semitic for you opinion ?

 

[metis]

I just want to know what is anti-semitic for you :


I don't hate ALL the jews , I have the just racist Jews , is this anti-semitic for you

I don't hate ALL the Jews , I hate Israeli regime , I want Israel regime to stop beieing racist/abuse and distingue with Muslims inside Israel, when Israeli-Jew=Israeli-Muslim, i would stop hate Israel . is this anti-semitic .

I don't hate ALL the jews , I hate the Israeli soldiers whom killed innocents in Gaza , is this anti-semitic .

this thread would make understand (the opposed opinion) why we hate Israel regime .

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...0-did-you-ever-suffered-racist-occupated.html

But it comes off as anti-Semitic when the blame is always against Israel and never against a group like Hamas, as we see with a small handful of people here.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That is unless you were to hold the belief that a large majority of the countries in the world are ganging up against israel ...

Nah … that could never happen. My mistake.

 

[Godobeyer]

But it comes off as anti-Semitic when the blame is always against Israel and never against a group like Hamas, as we see with a small handful of people here.

this ain't fair reply .

I always said , I blame both sides , and i am against Hamas Rocket and I said Hamas should change it's charter.

why i blamed Israel more than Hamas that's what i explained it many times .

 

[Matemkar]

Oh brother, every thread is filled with "nazism" and "anti-semitism" card. Whereas zionists are new Nazis.

And as for the "launching rockets from where" question and "human shield" suppositions, please see:

Where Does Hamas Get Its Rockets? - Occupied Palestine and the Uprising - ShiaChat.com

 

[metis]

Oh brother, every thread is filled with "nazism" and "anti-semitism" card. Whereas zionists are new Nazis.

And you can't even see your own hypocrisy with the above statement.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't hate ALL the jews , I have the just racist Jews , is this anti-semitic for you ...

Great. How do you feel about racist atheists or Christians or Muslims? Specifically, how do you feel about Hamas spokesman Hamdan promoting blood libel?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And you can't even see your own hypocrisy with the above statement.

Blind hatred is, first and foremost, blind.

 

[Godobeyer]

Great. How do you feel about racist atheists or Christians or Muslims? Specifically, how do you feel about Hamas spokesman Hamdan promoting blood libel?

look my friend

I am against any racist statement , whatever the spoker .



I don't know about what you just said , If he mean ALL the jews , i would condemned that .

If he mean just the criminal and racist jews ,i would agree with him .

can you plz post the speech of Hamas spokesman ?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Great. How do you feel about racist atheists or Christians or Muslims? Specifically, how do you feel about Hamas spokesman Hamdan promoting blood libel?

look my friend

I am against any racist statement , whatever the spoker .

Excellent. Then, just to be clear, do you hate racist Hamas representatives like Osama Hamdan?

 

[Godobeyer]

Excellent. Then, just to be clear, do you hate racist Hamas representatives like Osama Hamdan?

if he did of course i will hate his speech, can you post the link please of his speech , just for make sure ?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

FWIW, I don't think any of us, when we point out something is anti-Semitic, believe we are going to change the mind of the one who said it, or evince from them any showing of remorse. When we point out the anti-Semitism, it is partially for the benefit of third parties, to provide context and clarity of our disagreement; and partially it is to call people on the use of a bigoted idea-- especially as these days with the rise of the "I don't have a problem with Jews, I just hate Israel" excuse becomes more and more prevalent, and sometimes people may not even realize what they are saying is anti-Semitic. Or, as we see here, having learned it, they simply don't care: they keep repeating the same anti-Semitic things, just with the caveat that they "are not anti-Semites." But even so, there is a value to pointing out bigotry even when nothing changes.

I find it difficult to get to the gist of what you are trying to say.
it is fairly clear that what you class as antisemitic, I and others would not.

I would class something or attitude as antisemitic if it was dependant on the race, religion or culture or Jewishness.

I would condemn equally any despicable act committed by any one or state. The condemnation is for the action not the identity of the perpetrator.
To condemn the act of a Jew bacaue he is a Jew would be racist.
To condem the same act because it was wrong would not be racist.

I apply the same logic to actions by the state of Israel.

I do not subscribe to the view that Jews are in some way entitled to special consideration because of past atrocities against them.

We are all responsible for our own actions and sins. They can not be transferred or varied because of our race.

 

[Matemkar]

Blind hatred is, first and foremost, blind.

I see things clearly which naturally causes hatred for invaders, oppressors, settlers, killers.

 

[Alceste]

But it comes off as anti-Semitic when the blame is always against Israel and never against a group like Hamas, as we see with a small handful of people here.

You are asking that we blame Hamas not only for the casualties of their own violence, but also for the casualties of violence instigated against them by Israel. I am not capable of such hypocrisy. I blame Hamas for the handful of civilian deaths their actions have caused, and I blame Israel for the thousands of civilian deaths their actions have caused.

 

[Mycroft]

Blind hatred is, first and foremost, blind.

 

[metis]

You are asking that we blame Hamas not only for the casualties of their own violence, but also for the casualties of violence instigated against them by Israel. I am not capable of such hypocrisy. I blame Hamas for the handful of civilian deaths their actions have caused, and I blame Israel for the thousands of civilian deaths their actions have caused.

:clap

So, it's only numbers that matter-- not any cause-and-effect? not any methodology of how a people may wage war? not any responsibility of how a sovereign body may put their own people at risk? Please tell us in which war was it somehow fought whereas the numbers of dead must be be more even? Should the U.S. during WWII purposely allow more of its own people to be killed so as to more even up the score with the Germans and Japanese?

Me thinks you play too many video games.

 

[LuisDantas]

:clap

So, it's only numbers that matter-- not any cause-and-effect? not any methodology of how a people may wage war? not any responsibility of how a sovereign body may put their own people at risk? Please tell us in which war was it somehow fought whereas the numbers of dead must be be more even? Should the U.S. during WWII purposely allow more of its own people to be killed so as to more even up the score with the Germans and Japanese?

Me thinks you play too many video games.

I'm not following you. Your conclusion seems to be at odds with your own arguments.