Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?

[oldbadger]

Long term political support for Israel is uncertain at best.

.... at best...?
Nonsense.

Pew Research poll: US public support for Israel at near ...
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The Jerusalem Post
Jul 17, 2014 - The US public's support for Israel is at near-record levels, according to a Pew Research Center poll, despite the current violence and images of .

 

[InChrist]

I think many people, who are not themselves antisemitic, are appalled by the images of civilian causalities coming out of Gaza. But having said that, I don't think there can be any substantial doubt that actual antisemitism is on the rise, especially in Europe.

This is the goal which groups such as Hamas are attempting to reach and they are doing a good job. If they cannot defeat Israel militarily, which they can't, they will do all they can to make Israel appear to be the the bad guy, even when it means the death of their own people to gain world sympathy for their agenda and incite world hatred against Israel.

 

[Alceste]

Is that because human nature, being what it is, has at last progressed beyond tribalism, scapegoating, us versus them thinking, bigotry, and so forth? If so, good to hear.

If only! IMO, it's a very predictable consequence of rising economic hardship in the middle class, globally. The scapegoat of nationalists varies depending on the demographic make-up of any community. In my city, nationalists generally hate Chinese and Indian immigrants and couldn't care less about Jews. In the UK and Ireland, they had it in for the Polish. In much of the English speaking world, a great deal of nationalistic vitriol is reserved for Muslims. The lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe also has it in for the Jews, but I've seen more of that in the US than elsewhere.

Just sharing my own opinion and conclusions of course. I tend to follow meta-trends and commonalities and contemplate how the headlines fit into the big picture rather than putting every issue in a box and considering it in isolation.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Your post skirts the issue of rising antisemitism. The fact that people are willing to look the other way when antisemitism is mentioned is a large part of the problem.

I would say that what has changed, is that those strongly against israel's actions are no longer seen as anti-semitic.
That change can only be good for healthy discussion.

In the recent past even their greatest sins were seen as redeemed by their past and very real sufferings.
Now their actions are judged on their merits.
That is a political and social step change.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

.... at best...?
Nonsense.

Pew Research poll: US public support for Israel at near ...
Jpost - The Jerusalem Post | Israel news, Middle East & Judaism...
The Jerusalem Post
Jul 17, 2014 - The US public's support for Israel is at near-record levels, according to a Pew Research Center poll, despite the current violence and images of .

The USA has always been politically and financially tied to Israel.

the Rest of the world sees them with out rose tinted glasses.

 

[Sunstone]

The USA has always been politically and financially tied to Israel.

the Rest of the world sees them with out rose tinted glasses.

The rest of the world has more Jewish blood on its hands than America. It's easier to put on rose tinted glasses if you aren't already wearing brown tinted ones.

 

[CMike]

I would say that what has changed, is that those strongly against israel's actions are no longer seen as anti-semitic.
That change can only be good for healthy discussion.

In the recent past even their greatest sins were seen as redeemed by their past and very real sufferings.
Now their actions are judged on their merits.
That is a political and social step change.

They are not judged on their merits at all.

They are condemned no matter what they do because anti Semites wish to condemn them.

 

[InChrist]

The whole picture is rather more complex and genuinely uglier than you seem to imagine. There is plenty of wrong on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides. The Israelis, for instance, turned Gaza into something like a huge penal camp, limiting its supplies of necessities and so forth. Again, there is a legitimate cause for concern that the Israelis are not doing everything they reasonably can to avoid civilian casualties.

I really think that when the facts are investigated it becomes clear that Gaza has certainly not been turned into anything like a penal camp by Israel who consistently allows supplies to be delivered and Palestinians to live, work, and travel in Israel. On the contrary, it is the terrorists groups as Hamas which have brought more restrictions and made life more difficult for the Palestinian people.



CAMERA: On Separation Between Israel, West Bank Palestinians, NPR Deceives

CAMERA: Top Nine Gaza Media Myths

 

[InChrist]

They are not judged on their merits at all.

They are condemned no matter what they do because anti Semites wish to condemn them.

I think anti-Israel sentiments so prevalent at this present time around the world are simply just a new, more sophisticated, politically correct form of the old, ever lingering hatred of the Jews.

 

[Mycroft]

I think anti-Israel sentiments so prevalent at this present time around the world are simply just a new, more sophisticated, politically correct form of the old, ever lingering hatred of the Jews.

Woe unto those poor, denigrated, hated Jews. Oh woe! If only we could clone Hitler! I can't believe jews still beat the 'we are hated' drum.

 

[InChrist]

Woe unto those poor, denigrated, hated Jews. Oh woe! If only we could clone Hitler! I can't believe jews still beat the 'we are hated' drum.

It's not about beating an old drum, it's about awareness and reality in the here and now.

 

[Mycroft]

It's not about beating an old drum, it's about awareness and reality in the here and now.

And that reality is that more Palestinians are dying than Israelis.

I don't know how you can Woe unto the House of Jews when the number of Jewish dead is extraordinarily low compared to that of the Palestinians?

 

[InChrist]

And that reality is that more Palestinians are dying than Israelis.

I don't know how you can Woe unto the House of Jews when the number of Jewish dead is extraordinarily low compared to that of the Palestinians?

How do you know that your evaluation of the number of deaths is accurate? And have you considered "why" more Palestinians may be dying or "who" is actually responsible?

CAMERA: Analyzing Casualty Numbers, NYT Ignores Hamas Call for Duplicity

CAMERA: The Murkiness of Gaza Casualty Figures: One Case Study

CAMERA: Fool Me Twice: CNN Falls for False Casualty Numbers

 

[Mycroft]

How do you know that your evaluation of the number of deaths is accurate? And have you considered "why" more Palestinians may be dying or "who" is actually responsible?

CAMERA: Analyzing Casualty Numbers, NYT Ignores Hamas Call for Duplicity

CAMERA: The Murkiness of Gaza Casualty Figures: One Case Study

CAMERA: Fool Me Twice: CNN Falls for False Casualty Numbers

Because I trust the UN's numbers more than CAMERA's.

 

[Alceste]

Because I trust the UN's numbers more than CAMERA's.

I had a good giggle at the fact all the citations link to a source that is banned from Wikipedia for trying to fill it with Israeli propaganda under a number of false accounts.

 

[Mycroft]

I had a good giggle at the fact all the citations link to a source that is banned from Wikipedia for trying to fill it with Israeli propaganda under a number of false accounts.

Oh I'd forgotten about that part!

 

[Alceste]

Oh I'd forgotten about that part!

And to think people complain that "anyone can post anything " on Wikipedia.

 

[Godobeyer]

The USA has always been politically and financially tied to Israel.

the Rest of the world sees them with out rose tinted glasses.

AIPAC is parasiting USA , and I read an article said " Israel became the 30 richest country in the world grace to AIPAC "

IF USA spent their efforts in make real peace (Israel/Palestine) , AIPAC would had no reason to exist , so the parasiting would stop .

 

[esmith]

And that reality is that more Palestinians are dying than Israelis.

I don't know how you can Woe unto the House of Jews when the number of Jewish dead is extraordinarily low compared to that of the Palestinians?

Maybe the Palestinians should have thought about the consequences before they allowed Hamas to become a part of their government. Hamas could care less about Palestinians other than the dead make excellent propaganda material.

 

[InChrist]

Because I trust the UN's numbers more than CAMERA's.

The blatant hypocrisy and anti-Israel sentiments of the U.N are so obvious that one must be truly blind or in agreement with such sentiments to not see or acknowledge them...

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