Why does my God allow children to die? Is he evil?

[psychoslice]

God makes all people die. Its called the curses of Adam.

Is this going to stop death because you are angry with God?

Or purhaps you are angry with religion; will this stop death?

To you death is the end. To God death is a process

To me there is no death, only the body dies, there is no god also, so how can I be angry towards something that doesn't exist ?.

 

[Benoni]

To me there is no death, only the body dies, there is no god also, so how can I be angry towards something that doesn't exist ?.

Well at least that makes since
So many non believers are mad at the religious god, as if that will change anything

 

[adi2d]

Well at least that makes since
So many non believers are mad at the religious god, as if that will change anything

Many non believers are mad at something they don't believe exists? How does that make any sense?

 

[Benoni]

Many non believers are mad at something they don't believe exists? How does that make any sense?

It doesn't but it happens????

 

[adi2d]

It doesn't but it happens????

Not that I don't believe you but could you give a post # where someone has said something like that

 

[psychoslice]

I think non believers are mad at people who can believe in such things, and what those beliefs can do to our world.

 

[Benoni]

My belief is hurting no one accept maybe in a forum like this. here is a good place to step on beliefs that hurt people because they are wrong.

 

[1robin]

To me there is no death, only the body dies, there is no god also, so how can I be angry towards something that doesn't exist ?.

And how can you be satisfied with the cosmic blink of a life span you have is if there is nothing after. You may claim it does not bother you but death is the most feared concept in humanity.

 

[psychoslice]

My belief is hurting no one accept maybe in a forum like this. here is a good place to step on beliefs that hurt people because they are wrong.

if your wrong your wrong, what's the big deal ?.

 

[psychoslice]

And how can you be satisfied with the cosmic blink of a life span you have is if there is nothing after. You may claim it does not bother you but death is the most feared concept in humanity.

Death may be frightening to you but not to me, your just being greedy and want to live forever, but you will never live forever, so get over it.

 

[CG Didymus]

And how can you be satisfied with the cosmic blink of a life span you have is if there is nothing after. You may claim it does not bother you but death is the most feared concept in humanity.

Do all living things live on or only humans? Like let's say a dog or a cat or a horse, they are all a cosmic blink, then nothing? Do they just live, die and are gone? But what about some people? There is never a good answer for what happens to the native person that never heard of the Christian God. Like let's say the Aztecs before the Europeans came. I think you said their religion was pretty gruesome. So they lived, died and worshiped something, who knows what, the Sun, the sky, I don't know, but whatever it was, Christians would definitely call it false. So what was their reason for living? Why were they created? If Christianity is true, then somehow they descended from Noah, ended up thousands of miles away on another continent and didn't remember a thing about the true God? So what happens to them after they die? Are they judged on how righteous they tried to be considering their religion? Or, were they all doomed to hell? Or, did God just let them die and be gone forever?

But then wait, the Europeans did come and teach them the "truth." The Spanish eventually brought priests and monks over to convert the poor natives. They taught them about Mary and the Sacraments and something about Jesus, but not about the Protestant born-again Jesus. So what happens to them now? How does God judge them? They're no longer following their old false religion, but did Catholics teach them about the true Jesus? So for thousands of years the Aztecs, no matter how good or bad, were following a religion that Christians would call false. So, automatically, do they get sent to hell or obliterated? Then for a few hundred years, they worship as Catholics, thinking they now have the true religion, was it? Was what Catholics monks taught them enough to get them saved? If they did good deeds, confessed to priests and said their Hail Mary's would God overlook a little bit of bad doctrine and let them into heaven? But, you know, Christians can't be too strict in their interpretation of how one gets saved or their hell is going to be one crowded place. Or, maybe their interpretation is too strict and maybe God isn't as evil as their Bible makes him out to be. Maybe, the religious leaders only worded the Bible that way to scare people into doing right. After all, if God really wasn't as vengeful and full of wrath as he is made out to be, who would listen to him and obey his rules?

 

[psychoslice]

My belief is hurting no one accept maybe in a forum like this. here is a good place to step on beliefs that hurt people because they are wrong.

You only say that because you beliefs are being questioned.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And how can you be satisfied with the cosmic blink of a life span you have is if there is nothing after. You may claim it does not bother you but death is the most feared concept in humanity.

Because I have to be. And so I make the best of it. Such is life.

 

[Benoni]

You only say that because you beliefs are being questioned.

I hope they are being questioned. Thats what makes it so much fun.

 

[1robin]

Death may be frightening to you but not to me, your just being greedy and want to live forever, but you will never live forever, so get over it.

I did not mention anything about fear. I grew up one of the most reckless people around and acted as if death had no power over me. However the only people who are unafraid of death are not actually face to faith with it. I have seen the strongest people I have known turn white as ghosts in the military when in life and death situations. But that was not my claim.

I said how can this life still have the same hope and purpose if our allotted cosmic microsecond is all there is. Atheism is a net loss, and what is lost are the most profound issues in man's history of the search for meaning and purpose. I believe and it is a virtually universal intuitive notion that we are made for more than this life. My point was how can you be satisfied with a world view where potential eternal hope is absent and impossible. It is depressing. That is not why I have faith but it is certainly a great motivation for searching for the truth of faith claims.

This self appeasing ascribing the fear of death to anyone with faith is a cop out meant to justify your dismissal of their motives.

 

[1robin]

Do all living things live on or only humans? Like let's say a dog or a cat or a horse, they are all a cosmic blink, then nothing? Do they just live, die and are gone? But what about some people? There is never a good answer for what happens to the native person that never heard of the Christian God. Like let's say the Aztecs before the Europeans came. I think you said their religion was pretty gruesome. So they lived, died and worshiped something, who knows what, the Sun, the sky, I don't know, but whatever it was, Christians would definitely call it false. So what was their reason for living? Why were they created? If Christianity is true, then somehow they descended from Noah, ended up thousands of miles away on another continent and didn't remember a thing about the true God? So what happens to them after they die? Are they judged on how righteous they tried to be considering their religion? Or, were they all doomed to hell? Or, did God just let them die and be gone forever?

How can I answer 2 dozen questions per paragraph?

1. I believe heaven was built for humans and humans alone.
2. If you wish an very scholarly dissertation on those who have never heard the Gospels. See Craig's "The problem of the evangelized"
3. The chain of events that led to the Aztecs in far too involved for a forum. Let me substitute an analogy. If was an omni max being and created one family and built them a perfect house that I would promise to maintain as long as they had faith in me. They all gave up faith and I withdrew my promise to maintain the house and left them to their own devices. Generation later the house is a run down hulk and a couple of he descendants had a meth lab in the ruins. There is not exactly a purpose for what they are doing but it is the result of rebellion against their creator that doomed them. This is easily illustrated but takes a long long time to set it all up. I tried to take the quick way out but if necessary I can elaborate exhaustively.
4. God did not forget about the Aztecs even though that is what they deserved. He sent Cortez and the Church (even with it faults) to facilitate their repentance and return to sanity.
5. God not not make anyone a human sacrificing Aztec, they did that themselves.
6. Read Craig's book on the evangelized for the Aztecs future. But I can say that even if they all are excluded from heaven God was perfectly just in that decision.

If you want to pick a single questions instead of a shotgun drive by approach I can do more than scratch the surface because these are complex issues that require some serious dialogue to resolve.

But then wait, the Europeans did come and teach them the "truth." The Spanish eventually brought priests and monks over to convert the poor natives. They taught them about Mary and the Sacraments and something about Jesus, but not about the Protestant born-again Jesus.

They taught them about he born again Jesus, Catholics consider that doctrine essential. Their problem is they add stuff to it but if a person is born again even Catholic distortions of the Gospel will not keep them from heaven. It is as if both protestants and Catholics give polio vaccines but the Catholics adds a bunch of meaningless additional treatments that do not work. However that shot will still work.

So what happens to them now? How does God judge them? They're no longer following their old false religion, but did Catholics teach them about the true Jesus? So for thousands of years the Aztecs, no matter how good or bad, were following a religion that Christians would call false. So, automatically, do they get sent to hell or obliterated? Then for a few hundred years, they worship as Catholics, thinking they now have the true religion, was it? Was what Catholics monks taught them enough to get them saved? If they did good deeds, confessed to priests and said their Hail Mary's would God overlook a little bit of bad doctrine and let them into heaven? But, you know, Christians can't be too strict in their interpretation of how one gets saved or their hell is going to be one crowded place. Or, maybe their interpretation is too strict and maybe God isn't as evil as their Bible makes him out to be. Maybe, the religious leaders only worded the Bible that way to scare people into doing right. After all, if God really wasn't as vengeful and full of wrath as he is made out to be, who would listen to him and obey his rules?

I got a little lost here. Let me state what I know about these issues and maybe I can get lucky a solve your contentions.

The Catholics that taught he Aztecs were very dedicated and very greedy. My point is that as long as they taught salvation through Christ whatever Aztec believed in it was forever more saved. I do not care if the Catholics got every other doctrine wrong and did many despicable things in other ways those Aztecs that believed will be in heaven despite them.


Cortez and the Aztecs are the most extraordinary military conquest in history and in many way it was a legitimate effort to tear down the towers to idolatry where thousands of hearts were cut out of slaves almost daily and instead set up a cross and concert the natives. He at first tried to do so by force but his abbot told him that is not what God desired and he quit doing so. It was no perfect evangelistic effort for sure but many of it theological aspects were extraordinary and the military accomplishments have no parallel in history. I have no idea if true but it looks as if God used Cortez to do what occurred in general. You can pick any question you asked or Cortez and we can get detailed enough to be meaningful if you wish.

 

[1robin]

Because I have to be. And so I make the best of it. Such is life.

That was certainly an honest and candid response and I appreciate it. My point was atheism only results in a net loss. And what is lost is what man has tradition thought of as the greatest questions there are. I would find it very depressing to think my life had no transcendent reason, purpose, or meaning. That I will be bone dust and have no awareness is some how intuitively and universally believed to be wrong. However your honesty is about all that can be expected (even though all Christians consider it a tragedy) so good job.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I did not mention anything about fear. I grew up one of the most reckless people around and acted as if death had no power over me. However the only people who are unafraid of death are not actually face to faith with it. I have seen the strongest people I have known turn white as ghosts in the military when in life and death situations. But that was not my claim.

I said how can this life still have the same hope and purpose if our allotted cosmic microsecond is all there is. Atheism is a net loss, and what is lost are the most profound issues in man's history of the search for meaning and purpose. I believe and it is a virtually universal intuitive notion that we are made for more than this life. My point was how can you be satisfied with a world view where potential eternal hope is absent and impossible. It is depressing. That is not why I have faith but it is certainly a great motivation for searching for the truth of faith claims.

This self appeasing ascribing the fear of death to anyone with faith is a cop out meant to justify your dismissal of their motives.

Do you not read or remember your own posts? You did actually say something about fear:

And how can you be satisfied with the cosmic blink of a life span you have is if there is nothing after. You may claim it does not bother you but death is the most feared concept in humanity.

The stuff about atheism is nonsensical religious bias.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That was certainly an honest and candid response and I appreciate it. My point was atheism only results in a net loss. And what is lost is what man has tradition thought of as the greatest questions there are. I would find it very depressing to think my life had no transcendent reason, purpose, or meaning. That I will be bone dust and have no awareness is some how intuitively and universally believed to be wrong. However your honesty is about all that can be expected (even though all Christians consider it a tragedy) so good job.

Thank you.

Lack of belief in something is a net loss? What do we lose by not believing in fairies then? Do I lose some sense of magic or something?

Do you mean to tell me I can't determine my own meaning to life? That if I don't reach the same conclusions that you do about the supposed existence of your god that I can't possibly be happy? Because I don't agree with that at all, obviously.

And there actually is at least some level of transcendence from where I'm standing. I came from star dust and when I am gone I will return from where I came. I can deal with that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How can I answer 2 dozen questions per paragraph?

1. I believe heaven was built for humans and humans alone.
2. If you wish an very scholarly dissertation on those who have never heard the Gospels. See Craig's "The problem of the evangelized"
3. The chain of events that led to the Aztecs in far too involved for a forum. Let me substitute an analogy. If was an omni max being and created one family and built them a perfect house that I would promise to maintain as long as they had faith in me. They all gave up faith and I withdrew my promise to maintain the house and left them to their own devices. Generation later the house is a run down hulk and a couple of he descendants had a meth lab in the ruins. There is not exactly a purpose for what they are doing but it is the result of rebellion against their creator that doomed them. This is easily illustrated but takes a long long time to set it all up. I tried to take the quick way out but if necessary I can elaborate exhaustively.
4. God did not forget about the Aztecs even though that is what they deserved. He sent Cortez and the Church (even with it faults) to facilitate their repentance and return to sanity.
5. God not not make anyone a human sacrificing Aztec, they did that themselves.
6. Read Craig's book on the evangelized for the Aztecs future. But I can say that even if they all are excluded from heaven God was perfectly just in that decision.

Wait a minute … so your god sent Cortez to massacre thousands of unarmed natives in some supposed attempt to facilitate their redemption and “return to sanity?” And you think that was a good thing? Or a sane thing? Don’t you think it’s odd that your supposedly loving and moral good seems to love violence and slaughter so much? God couldn’t think of a better way to save their souls than to have them murdered?