Why Don’t You Believe Jesus Rose From The Grave?

[Subduction Zone]

However, as I have told Christians many times, I don't see any logical connection between Jesus rising from the dead and them rising from the dead. I mean even if Jesus did rise from the dead that does not mean they will also rise from the dead.
Where in the Bible does it say that?

Various New Testament verses do support it. Here is an article on some of them:

10 Key Bible Verses on Death and Resurrection

God’s Word paints a picture of a future when death will be swallowed up in Christ’s victory on the cross and where believers will live eternally with him.

www.crossway.org

 

[Feedmysheep]

I do not believe that Jesus rose from the grave because there is no reason to believe that ever happened.
Anyone can write stories, but there is no reason to believe that those stories are true.

I think a better question is why people believe the resurrection stories?

As for your "better question" people believe the Gospel because to their
amazement they find out that Jesus is indeed mysteriously available for them to know personally.

One such person Saul of Tarsus was seethingly obsessed with wiping out the Christian "sect".
He instead ended up writing some 13 of the New Testament's 27 books.

A better question than yours - Why do some people want so much that Christ is not resurrected from
the dead? Like you.

Of all men victory over death is consistent with the power of His life, deeds, and words.
Who else in history qualifies for a powerful vindication besides Jesus? I say, no one as much is a candidate
for God's vindication of His message.

 

[Feedmysheep]

If Jesus Christ is just another of a long list of copycat religious figures raised from the dead fiction -
why does all the deniers spend so far more time and energy arguing against Jesus than
any other person?

Google up how many rebuttals to Attis or Krishna there are compared to the voluminous
articles trying to debunk Jesus Christ. Why such lopsid time and energy to deny the life of Jesus?

 

[Trailblazer]

As for your "better question" people believe the Gospel because to their
amazement they find out that Jesus is indeed mysteriously available for them to know personally.

Can you explain how Jesus is available to know personally? Do you mean that through the Gospel you can know Jesus personally?

One such person Saul of Tarsus was seethingly obsessed with wiping out the Christian "sect".
He instead ended up writing some 13 of the New Testament's 27 books.

How did Paul know Jesus personally? According to my understanding Paul never met Jesus in person.

A better question than yours - Why do some people want so much that Christ is not resurrected from
the dead? Like you.

It does not matter to me one way or another whether Jesus was resurrected from the dead.
All I ever said is that there would be no way to prove that because the Gospel stories are not proof

Of all men victory over death is consistent with the power of His life, deeds, and words.

Victory over physical death has absolutely no significance whatsoever, because even if Jesus rose from the dead his physical body would have died eventually. When Jesus ascended to heaven he took on a spiritual body. There are no physical bodies in heaven.

What Jesus offered humanity was a victory over spiritual death consistent with the power of His life, deeds, and words.
Then Christians made this all about physical death.

All these verses refer to spiritual life, not life of the physical body.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jesus makes it very clear that the physical body is not important, only spiritual life is important.
By placing so much importance on the bodily resurrection of Jesus that runs counter to what Jesus taught.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Who else in history qualifies for a powerful vindication besides Jesus? I say, no one as much is a candidate
for God's vindication of His message.

I would say that no one else in history ever offered the powerful vindication that Jesus offered, but other messengers of God have offered messages from God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If Jesus Christ is just another of a long list of copycat religious figures raised from the dead fiction -
why does all the deniers spend so far more time and energy arguing against Jesus than
any other person?

Google up how many rebuttals to Attis or Krishna there are compared to the voluminous
articles trying to debunk Jesus Christ. Why such lopsid time and energy to deny the life of Jesus?

Because in the US at least far too many Christians try to force others to follow their often immoral rules.

 

[Feedmysheep]

Probably because the thought of death is unbearable to many.

People come to believe in a risen and available Christ for many reasons.
Stereo typing them all to do so because of unbearable fear of death isn't the case.

I knew a successful lawyer who was going through a bad divorce. He never had
any interest in Jesus. He told me of the night he spent in a motel in pain through the divorce.
He said there was a Bible on the table accross the room. He said he didn't open it or read it.
He said he just sat there staring at it. That was the beginning of his getting to know Jesus.

If you read the various testimonies of Christians how they came to know Jesus you'll
find a great deal of variety. I myself came to Christ having to do with the agony of
such introspection of my thoughts that I feared going mad. No thought of death concerned me.
But the hell of unrest of a obsessive inward looking psychology and philosophy which led to
a hellish restlessness. Of course drugs I was experimenting with aggrevated the matter terribly. Christ entered my life as one calming the raging waves and wind sinking "my boat."

I could give many accounts of people coming to know the living and available Christ apart
from fear of death. You can't blame Christ if death ALSO He has an answer to as an added bonus.

God hates death probably more than He hates sin. Death is called "the last enemy."

 

[Feedmysheep]

Can you explain how Jesus is available to know personally? Do you mean that through the Gospel you can know Jesus personally?

I tend to be verbose. And I will not in one manageable size post try to answer this.
But I will say that we have within us a comatose and damaged "organ" which is like a radio antenna.
As the non-functioning antenna cannot validate the reality of radio waves so a deadened and damaged
human spirit needs to be healed through being born again. When the human spirit is raised from its
comatose and deadened state there is no problem in picking up the "radio waves" of the avaliable
and alive Son of God.

The thing which has caused the deadening of the human spirit is sin. The barrier between a man
being able to substantiate the realness of God is sin. The sin is the obstacle. When the barrier of sin
is taken care of the Lord Jesus in His pneumatic form JOINS in an organic union with a man's innermost
being. And one part of his being - his spirit blends in life with Jesus Christ.

Life in the sentence below is the divine ZOE life of God in the Greek not the BIOS or PSUCHE which also
are translated to the English word "life" in the New Testament or sometimes "self" or "soul".

The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God. (Rom. 8:16)
The eternal Spirit stands behind the name of Jesus the man to bear witness within us that
we have touched God Himself.

But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the [human] spirit is life because of righteousness. (Rom. 8:10)
The perfect righteousness of Christ justifies a man reconciling Him to the PERFECT. The barrier of
real guilt being abliterated the human spirit becomes ZOE life. And the man is aware of the reality
of the available God in Jesus Christ.

In a definite sense, his past becomes Jesus Christ rather than his sinful legacy.
His history becomes what occurred for him on Calvary. And his unrighteousness which
seperated him from fellowship with God was not overlooked. It was judged on the cross of Christ
at Calvary. The barrier is removed and free fellowship with Christ as the Holy Spirit flows through his
heart and consciousness.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit. (1 Cor. 6:17)
Regeneration not only removes the seperating sinful chasm between a man and the perfect holy
uncreated Life. It causes part of the man to be organically joined to the Lord Jesus.
The human spirit and the Lord Spirit become one mingled, interwoven, united spirit - "one spirit."
The man now knows God. And knows that he knows.

How did Paul know Jesus personally? According to my understanding Paul never met Jesus in person.

Have you not read the man's testimony in his own words?
Spend time to read his own account - Acts 22:6-21; Acts 2:1-32; plus Luke's (his travleing companion)
explanation record of Pauls' conversion - Acts 9:1-30.

Christ not only revealed Himself in His resurrected and glorified state to Paul.
He entered into Paul as "a life giving Spirit" and revealed Himself IN Paul.
"[T]he last Adam [Christ] became a life giving Spirit." (1 Cor. 15:45)
In his own words:

But when it pleased God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, To reveal His Son in me that I might announce Him as the gospel among the Gentiles, immediately I did not confer with flesh and blood, (Gal. 1:15,1)

In another post I will continue. One must examine the explanation of Christ in John 14-16
as to how He would manifest Himself to men after His resurrection. And I'll respond to
other comments I have no time to address right now.

 

[Trailblazer]

God hates death probably more than He hates sin. Death is called "the last enemy."

Spiritual death is the enemy. Physical death is not the enemy.

If God hated physical death why would God have created humans with mortal bodies?
There is no avoiding physical death. It will come to all of us eventually, and when it does we will all cross over to the spiritual world continue to live in a spiritual body. Some people will gain eternal life whereas others will not.

Jesus defined eternal life, so you can figure out who will gain it and who won't.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

People come to believe in a risen and available Christ for many reasons.
Stereo typing them all to do so because of unbearable fear of death isn't the case.

I knew a successful lawyer who was going through a bad divorce. He never had
any interest in Jesus. He told me of the night he spent in a motel in pain through the divorce.
He said there was a Bible on the table accross the room. He said he didn't open it or read it.
He said he just sat there staring at it. That was the beginning of his getting to know Jesus.

If you read the various testimonies of Christians how they came to know Jesus you'll
find a great deal of variety. I myself came to Christ having to do with the agony of
such introspection of my thoughts that I feared going mad. No thought of death concerned me.
But the hell of unrest of a obsessive inward looking psychology and philosophy which led to
a hellish restlessness. Of course drugs I was experimenting with aggrevated the matter terribly. Christ entered my life as one calming the raging waves and wind sinking "my boat."

I could give many accounts of people coming to know the living and available Christ apart
from fear of death. You can't blame Christ is death ALSO He has an answer to as an added bonus.

God hates death probably more than He hates sin. Death is called "the last enemy."

And for every story there is of someone "finding Jesus" there are probably ten of people finding out there he was not real. At least as the Bible tells about him. I do not deny that some people have been helped by the concept but you really should admit that many have been harmed by that belief as well.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

And for every story there is of someone "finding Jesus" there are probably ten of people finding out there he was not real. At least as the Bible tells about him. I do not deny that some people have been helped by the concept but you really should admit that many have been harmed by that belief as well.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Feedmysheep]

Because in the US at least far too many Christians try to force others to follow their often immoral rules.

Nothing new. In all walks of life there are those who seek to gain followings for questionable agendas.
That includes white clothed "objective" scientific types who advertise as detached and objectively curious and no more.

Using "those hypocrits" as an excuse to not to open my being to Christ only goes so far.

 

[Feedmysheep]

And for every story there is of someone "finding Jesus" there are probably ten of people finding out there he was not real. At least as the Bible tells about him. I do not deny that some people have been helped by the concept but you really should admit that many have been harmed by that belief as well.

Who said I denied it?
What worked for me is to ask God to lead me to people who would encourage my faith rather than
discourage my faith. He was entirely faithful on that score.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

 

[Frank Buffalo]

I don't believe Jesus rose from the dead, and I see it partly as a matter of questionable documentation. My understanding is that all four gospels were written at least a generation or two after Jesus' death, mostly in response to the realization that Jesus' imminently promised new kingdom on earth simply hadn't happened. The early Christians wanted to remember Jesus in ways they preferred to remember him, and that's always a red flag when it comes to trusting texts written by believers that present as accurately historical. The only outside, non-gospel sources I'm aware of that indicate Jesus actually existed at all are the Jewish historian Josephus, and a brief mention by the historian Tacitus. Neither gives credence to the idea that Jesus rose from the dead.

On another front, as a former medical writer, looking at clinical information about humans being born, growing up, developing diseases and dying, I have a very hard time believing anyone can rise from death except under exceptional medical settings. There are well-documented near-death experiences, but nothing reliable about someone being dead for a couple of days and then coming back to life.

 

[Feedmysheep]

It does not matter to me one way or another whether Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

That has an detached objective sound to it.
As I read on I notice that His resurrection is also guarantee that all mankind will face Him in judgment.

A man who was raised will also raise each one of us.
Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, God now charges all men everywhere to repent,
Because He has set a day in which He is to judge the world in righteousness by the man whom He has designated, having furnished proof to all by raising Him from the dead. (Acts 17:30-31)

For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wills.
For neither does the Father judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, (John 5:21,22)

We all in the realm of death will hear His voice and come forth.

And He gave Him authority to execute judgment because He is the Son of Man.
Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice

And will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (vs. 27-29)

All I ever said is that there would be no way to prove that because the Gospel stories are not proof

There is such a thing as being assured one is on the right track.
I cannot prove that the earth is not standing perfectly still while everything else moves.
This cannot be proved.

But I think we are on the right track to believe it rotates, revolves, and moves through the galaxy which
itself rotates and moves. Absolute proof this though in impossible.

When Christ begins to do things in a man that he knows he could not do himself even if he wanted to
he comes to believe he is on the right track. Jesus is alive as He promised He would be.

I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you.
Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live.

In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. (John 14:18-20)

Victory over physical death has absolutely no significance whatsoever,

Resurrection was the catalyst which turned a bunch of terrified Galilean fisherman and women into
a unconquerable witnessing group. Many of them gave thier comfort and lives to tell the world.
There is such a thing as "This is big. This is real big. We need to tell the world what we know."

In Jerusalem within a few weeks what is your alternative explanation for why a thousand years old
tradition of having the 7th day of the week suddenly shifted with thousands to regard the next day, the 8th day as the most important day.

What suddenly caused thousands of Jerusalem Jews to shift their most important day from "Saturday" Sabbath to "the Lord's day" the first day of a new week?

because even if Jesus rose from the dead his physical body would have died eventually.

That's an agnostic's daydream.
The four gospels are quite balanced in this to present both sides of the truth.
Luke and Mark record Christ ascending to heaven in a resurrected body.
Matthew and John close as if Christ never left and never went anywhere.

Finding the corpse of Jesus would of course render the entire Gospel message a hoax.
Why didn't the Jews or the Romans simply quell the new movement by merely producing the corpse
of Jesus?

Don't wait for some fake archeology to tell you "Hey, we finally found the burial place of Jesus, DNA in all."

Its harder work to bring myself to believe the multiple conspiracy theories than to just believe the Gospel.

 

[Feedmysheep]

When Jesus ascended to heaven he took on a spiritual body. There are no physical bodies in heaven.

He took what we would call a glorified body. He ate fish to demonstrate that it was a physical body.

And He said to them, Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your heart?
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you behold Me having.

And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
And while they still did not believe for joy and were marveling, He said to them, Do you have anything here to eat?

And they handed Him a piece of broiled fish;
And He took it and ate before them. (Luke 24:38-43)

So aside from miraculously appearing in a locked room He also
presented Himself with many "infallible proofs" that He was bodily resurrected.

The word of God says that God's feet will stand upon the Mount of Olives in Christ's
second coming.

Then Jehovah will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights in a day of battle.
And His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, (Zech. 14:3,4a)

But I agree that I find no other people in heaven now until the resurrection / transfiguration, rapture to the thirds heavens of believers towards the end of this age.

And I have said that aside from physical resurrection He also transfigured Himself into a pneumatic form
in which He can enter into the innermost spiritual kernal of a human being.

[T]he last Adam became a life giving Spirit. (1 Cor. 15:45)
And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. (2 Cor. 3:17)

Are you someone who was once influenced by Watchtower theology of the Jehovah's Witness?
Typically they argue that Jesus did not raise physically from the dead.

What Jesus offered humanity was a victory over spiritual death consistent with the power of His life, deeds, and words.
Then Christians made this all about physical death.

The victory of Christ's salvation is ALL-ENCOMPASING. It involves the spirit of man, the soul of man, the body of man, and eventually the total environment of man. It is complete and extensive covering every realm important to mankind.

And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faithful is He who calls you, who also will do it. (1 Thess. 5:23,24)

That goes for the totality of man's being from the center to the cicumference.
Included is man's envirnoment - the whole earth and cosmos, the universe eagerly awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God.

For the anxious watching of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
For the creation was made subject to vanity, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it,

In hope that the creation itself will also be freed from the slavery of corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails in pain together until now.

And not only so, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan in ourselves, eagerly awaiting sonship, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:19-23)

All these verses refer to spiritual life, not life of the physical body.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

That refers to the physical as well. Martha expected her brother to physically arise in the last day.
Jesus did not contradict her. He pointed instead to Himself saying He was the power of resurrection in every way. Ie. "Martha, you're looking at the resurrection. I AM the resurrection and the life."

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

You're trying to establish a false dichotomy. You are aiming for a EITHER spiritual OR physical.
I have shown you His salvation is complete (1 Thess. 5:23) - "spirit and soul and body".

I am not believing something extra. You're not believing enough.
You're going through the pages of the Bible to pick and choose what you want.

It's far better to take everything end and not sift out according to some preconceived prejudice.
The best way to read the Bible is to do so without partiality to your desired philosophy.

I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels that you keep these things without prejudice, doing nothing by way of partiality. (1 Tim. 5:21)

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

This does no prove eternal life has no effect on our body. It only highlights that eternal life works its way
from the center of our being out to the outermost part of our being "spirit and soul and body".

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

This is explained above. Yes there are two verses in John five speaking of the dead being enlivened.
The first means the dead who are deadened in their innermost spirit. They will hear the voice of the Son of God and eternal life is dispensed into their innermost spiritual being.

Truly, truly, I say to you, An hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. (John 5:25)

Then Jesus extends it to the physically dead in the tombs in His reiteration.

Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice
And will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (vs. 28,29)

So BOTH the spiritually dead will be made alive.
And the physically dead "in the tombs" will be resurrected.

 

[Feedmysheep]

Jesus makes it very clear that the physical body is not important, only spiritual life is important.
By placing so much importance on the bodily resurrection of Jesus that runs counter to what Jesus taught.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

But in that passage the physically alive who he calls dead should follow Him to be made spiritually alive. Those who are more concerned for their dead relatives so as to neglect Christ are the dead who should
be left bury their dead.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

That which is born of the Holy Spirit is the human spirit.
This also only means the eternal life which is Christ Himself starts from the center and
works His way out to the circumference.

Satan works from the outside inward trying to totally corrupt man to his core.
The triune God works from the innermost outward to completely sanctify us "spirit and soul and body." (1 Thess. 5:23)

This outermost salvation is called the transfiguration of our body.

For our commonwealth exists in the heavens, from which also we eagerly await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who will transfigure the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of His glory, according to His operation by which He is able even to subject all things to Himself. (Phil. 3:20,21)

And again it is also called "the redemption of our body".

And not only so, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan in ourselves, eagerly awaiting sonship, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:23)

The Christian has within the guarantee, the foretaste of this final destiny.
The Holy Spirit as a seal and a pledge is the appetizer of the fullest taste of eternal life to come.

He who has also sealed us and given the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge. (2 Cor. 1:22)
. . . in Him also believing, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise, (Eph. 1:13b)
And yet again -
in Him also believing, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise, (Eph. 4:30)

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

This again only demonstrates that eternal life is imparted into the center of the man to work its way
outward. And God's living word acts to dispense divine life into our innermost being.

The life is Christ Himself. And He not only springs up from within as rivers of living water.
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall by no means thirst forever; but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into eternal life. (John 4:14)

But He also will "swallow" us up in Himself from without - our transfigured body.
For also, we who are in this tabernacle groan, being burdened, in that we do not desire to be unclothed, but clothed upon, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. (2 Cor. 5:4)

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
And when this corruptible will put on incorruption and this mortal will put on immortality, then the word which is written will come to pass, “Death has been swallowed up unto victory.” (1 Cor. 15:52,54)

Enjoy a song I wrote about this verse.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Spiritual death is the enemy. Physical death is not the enemy.
If God hated physical death why would God have created humans with mortal bodies?
There is no avoiding physical death. It will come to all of us eventually, and when it does we will all cross over to the spiritual world continue to live in a spiritual body. Some people will gain eternal life whereas others will not.
Jesus defined eternal life, so you can figure out who will gain it and who won't.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

A mortal body would show God and everyone else a love for God and His standards or not
God forces No one to love and obey Him. A mortal body shows one's own choice to serve or not serve God
1st Corinthians 15:26 is about physical death being an enemy - Isaiah 25:8
Mortal Adam could have avoided physical death by Not breaking God's Law - Gen 2:17
Since we are innocent of what fallen-father Adam did is why God sent Jesus to Earth to undo the death damage Satan & Adam created

 

[Trailblazer]

I tend to be verbose. And I will not in one manageable size post try to answer this.

Yes you do tend to be verbose and since I see that there are more posts from you after this one I am going to have to try to answer in brief.

But I will say that we have within us a comatose and damaged "organ" which is like a radio antenna.
As the non-functioning antenna cannot validate the reality of radio waves so a deadened and damaged
human spirit needs to be healed through being born again. When the human spirit is raised from its
comatose and deadened state there is no problem in picking up the "radio waves" of the avaliable
and alive Son of God.

I cannot argue with the need to be born again since the same concept exists in my religion.

John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

“Incline your ears to the sweet melody of this Prisoner. Arise, and lift up your voices, that haply they that are fast asleep may be awakened. Say: O ye who are as dead! The Hand of Divine bounty proffereth unto you the Water of Life. Hasten and drink your fill. Whoso hath been re-born in this Day, shall never die; whoso remaineth dead, shall never live.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Page 213

“O My servants! Whoso hath tasted of this Fountain hath attained unto everlasting Life, and whoso hath refused to drink therefrom is even as the dead.”
(Gleanings, p.169)

The thing which has caused the deadening of the human spirit is sin. The barrier between a man
being able to substantiate the realness of God is sin. The sin is the obstacle. When the barrier of sin
is taken care of the Lord Jesus in His pneumatic form JOINS in an organic union with a man's innermost
being. And one part of his being - his spirit blends in life with Jesus Christ.

I agree that sin creates a barrier between man and God

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The Baháʼí Faith teaches that sin is disobeying God and that it separates a person from God. Some examples of sins in the Baháʼí Faith include: Anger, Jealousy, Hypocrisy, Prejudice, and Not following Baháʼí laws.

I believe that the way to avoid sin is by obeying God's teachings and laws.

 

[Trailblazer]

That has an detached objective sound to it.
As I read on I notice that His resurrection is also guarantee that all mankind will face Him in judgment.

God is our only judge. Jesus is not the judge.
The boldly resurrection of Jesus has nothing to do with mankind facing God in judgment.

A man who was raised will also raise each one of us.
Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, God now charges all men everywhere to repent,
Because He has set a day in which He is to judge the world in righteousness by the man whom He has designated, having furnished proof to all by raising Him from the dead. (Acts 17:30-31)

For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wills.
For neither does the Father judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, (John 5:21,22)

We all in the realm of death will hear His voice and come forth.

And He gave Him authority to execute judgment because He is the Son of Man.
Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice

And will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (vs. 27-29)

Nobody is ever going to be physically raised from their grave.
All the verses about resurrection are about a spiritual resurrection back to life.
All the verses about being raised from the death to life are about being raised from spiritual death to spiritual life.

When Jesus referred to eternal life, He was not referring to physical life of the body. He was referring a quality of life, spiritual life, loving God and being close to God.

The soul is eternal, the body perishes. That is why Jesus said:
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

All the verses below refer to eternal life of the soul, not life of the physical body.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All souls will continue to exist in the spiritual world after the body dies but not all souls will have eternal life (everlasting life).
Eternal life refers to a “quality” of life, nearness to God which, according to Jesus, comes from believing in Him.

Jesus is alive as He promised He would be.

I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you.
Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live.

In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. (John 14:18-20)

Jesus is alive in heaven, but Jesus is never coming back to earth.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

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John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

I believe that Jesus was a Comforter and that another Comforter who was also the Spirit of truth was the return of Christ in another person.

Resurrection was the catalyst which turned a bunch of terrified Galilean fisherman and women into
a unconquerable witnessing group. Many of them gave thier comfort and lives to tell the world.
There is such a thing as "This is big. This is real big. We need to tell the world what we know."

In Jerusalem within a few weeks what is your alternative explanation for why a thousand years old
tradition of having the 7th day of the week suddenly shifted with thousands to regard the next day, the 8th day as the most important day.

What suddenly caused thousands of Jerusalem Jews to shift their most important day from "Saturday" Sabbath to "the Lord's day" the first day of a new week?

Sorry, I do not know anything about this, but just because people believed that Jesus rose from the dead that does not mean it really happened.

That's an agnostic's daydream.
The four gospels are quite balanced in this to present both sides of the truth.
Luke and Mark record Christ ascending to heaven in a resurrected body.
Matthew and John close as if Christ never left and never went anywhere.

If Jesus ascended to heaven in a body, it was not a physical body, it was a spiritual body, because there are no physical bodies in heaven.

Finding the corpse of Jesus would of course render the entire Gospel message a hoax.
Why didn't the Jews or the Romans simply quell the new movement by merely producing the corpse
of Jesus?

Because for whatever reason they could not find his corpse, but a missing corpse does not mean that Jesus rose from the dead.

Its harder work to bring myself to believe the multiple conspiracy theories than to just believe the Gospel.

You want to believe the Gospel so you believe it.
I do not believe in the multiple conspiracy theories or the Gospel. I just say i don't know what happened.

 

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1. Resurrection is logically impossible. You're not dead until the failure of your body's life support systems is irreversible. If they're not only reversible but reversed, you're not dead and you haven't been dead.

2. Accordingly, resurrection stories as purported real events have zero credibility.

3. There are six accounts of the resurrection in the NT ─ Paul's brief mention of the late Jesus appearing to "the 500"; the accounts in Mark, Matthew, Luke and John; and the brief mention in Acts 1.

None of the accounts is by an eyewitness. None is independent. None is contemporary within two decades (Paul) or four or more decades (the gospel accounts).

And the NT accounts disagree with each other in many major ways. More details here >Historical Case for the Resurrection of Jesus<.

As I remarked previously, you couldn't renew a dog license with evidence of that abysmal quality.