Why Evil?

[Kolibri]

Well, in this case your opinion doesn't count. They very obviously were honoring YHVH by doing this, - as they felt it too Sacred and Powerful to be spoken. You have to remember that they were in a time when names were used for magic. God's name would be powerful magic.

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And yet God inspired the writers to use the divine name almost 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. And the patriarchs used it freely. I know, I know, you are convinced that the God is a make-believe god and there is no real inspiration.

Not likely, @truthofscripture, there is no "J" sound in Hebrew, and it is probable that the vowel points used were the ones used to remind the Jews to use Adonai instead. Whatever the original pronouncation was, Jehovah is a translation and not a transliteration.

 

[MonkeyFire]

In the beginning God created everything. Even evil. However, God never used evil. Instead he allowed the Devil to take control of evil so that there would be a story so that he would glorify himself and all people would know that he is God and he executes judgement upon sin as he judges all things. He has a right to since he created all things. Any thoughts?

Evil doesn't exist. Knowledge, truth, and will; the path to reality.

 

[truthofscripture]

Evil doesn't exist. Knowledge, truth, and will; the path to reality.

Reality?

 

[MonkeyFire]

Reality?

A lie would be false.

 

[Ingledsva]

Since I DO know the pronunciation of most of the names incorporating Jehovah's name, and there are many, then Jehovah is the most likely pronunciation.

First off - that is incorrect. There is no other name including the whole thing, - just some of the letters, - and there was no J - so NO Jehovah.

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[truthofscripture]

A lie would be false.

You said "path to reality". One isn't already existing in reality? Makes no sense.

 

[rrosskopf]

Dude - you are the one that is being naïve. Law did not pop into existence - with the Hebrew, from an invisible being.

I can understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe God is any more invisible than I am. I suppose laws could evolve over time, but the obverse is demonstrably true; we have unambiguous modern examples of laws that came into being from revelation. I believe it is you who are being naive.

Moses' law - gave them permission to do some of those very same AWFUL things you were claiming = They could KILL their sons and daughters.

They could not murder their sons and daughters, but they could exact justice... is that what you referring to? Are you against justice?

They could sell their children.

You mean to keep them from starvation? Are you really going to advocate starvation? Sometimes putting children up for adoption is the right thing to do. This was their equivalent.

Just like the atrocities committed against Mormons, - the Hebrew murdered the people of other religions!

Again, I am not sure what you are talking about. Are you calling the religious wars murder? Traditionally, not all killing is considered to be murder. Murder has a very specific definition.

This idea that things were awful, - then TA-DA, - magic wand, - things changed to wonderful - is ridiculous.

Those aren't my words. It took time for people to learn to respect the law. Are you against having laws?

As for our justice system being fragile - it is actually stronger than any ancient system. You could still be going before the priests, and their mumbo-jumbo, which sometime included magic drinks, and magic words, to decide innocence or guilt.

I'm not sure what you mean by "stronger". A totalitarian system that punishes both the guilty and the innocent, without respect to personal liberties would be stronger... it just wouldn't be as fair. I agree that great evils have been perpetrated in the name of religion. Great evils have also been perpetrated in the name of atheism. Men seem to be equal opportunity propagandists.

Slavery is NEVER right!

I certainly do see situations in which slavery is the most compassionate choice. Sometimes the only alternative was death. I think slavery is usually preferable to death. Joseph may not have liked being sold into slavery, but it was far better than being murdered by his brothers. When two clans clash in war, there is always the problem of what to do with the prisoners. Enslaving them is more compassionate than killing them. Releasing them without consequence would seem naive. One could even make the argument that blacks - enslaved in Africa and brought to the United States - were far better off than their cannibalistic cousins. Not all societies are created equal. I don't have to respect societies that have little regard for human life, whether that lack of regard shows up as slavery or cannibalism or totalitarianism. Slavery is usually wrong, but not always. Jewish slaves could own property, earn their own money, buy their own freedom, and were automatically freed after 6 years. Think of it as a system of justice where prisoners don't have to go to prison.

As to rape - they could hold slaves forever, and pass them on as an inheritance. They could assign a male to a female slave, to breed more slaves, and the resulting children where the property of the slave owner.

Who are we talking about? The Jews? Jewish slaves were held up to six years. Foreign slaves could be held indefinitely.

This sounds a lot like arm-chair Quarter Backing. The Jews had a hard time keeping the laws that God gave them; should he have given them even stricter laws? I think he gave them the laws that were fair for the time.

Here you are, in a different culture, in a different age, judging the laws of another culture, another age. If we had a time machine, and brought a Jew from 1500 BC to today, and showed them our laws, I'd bet they would think our laws were worse than slavery. I don't think you can understand their culture any more than they could understand ours.

They could have concubines - which are bought SEX SLAVES, = RAPE!

I don't buy the idea that a slave can't be a willing partner. Nor do I buy into the idea that they shared our expectations and sensibilities on the subject. The female slaves might not have viewed it as rape at all.

We live in an age where women are treated like men, legally speaking. They are literate, and for the most part don't sacrifice their children to idols. That hasn't always been the case.

I don't condone slavery or rape in today's world, but I refuse to sit in judgment over the system that was largely the inspiration for our modern legal system. Without the Judeo-Christian world-view, there is little to no foundation for the argument that rape is wrong. You can't have it both ways.

 

[truthofscripture]

Dude - you are the one that is being naïve. Law did not pop into existence - with the Hebrew, from an invisible being.

Laws and so called moral codes, - are homegrown, - over time, - to fit their particular cultures. As we go global - some of those laws are changed to fit that global expansion.

I get a kick out of some of the things you listed as awful - before Moses' law.

Moses' law - gave them permission to do some of those very same AWFUL things you were claiming = They could KILL their sons and daughters. They could sell their children. Just like the atrocities committed against Mormons, - the Hebrew murdered the people of other religions!

This idea that things were awful, - then TA-DA, - magic wand, - things changed to wonderful - is ridiculous.

As for our justice system being fragile - it is actually stronger than any ancient system. You could still be going before the priests, and their mumbo-jumbo, which sometime included magic drinks, and magic words, to decide innocence or guilt.

Slavery is NEVER right! When you condoned such actions, - that you KNOW are wrong, - in defense - of your religion, - it speaks volumes to the rest of us.

As to rape - they could hold slaves forever, and pass them on as an inheritance. They could assign a male to a female slave, to breed more slaves, and the resulting children where the property of the slave owner. That is RAPE!

Lev 25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

Lev 25:46 And you shall take them for inheritance to your sons after you, to hold for a possession; you may enslave them forever. But on your brothers, the sons of Israel, one over another, you shall not rule over him with severity.

Exo 21:4 If his master have given him a woman, and she have born him sons or daughters; the woman and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. (Rape Breeding of Slaves)

They could have concubines - which are bought SEX SLAVES, = RAPE!

We know they could "marry" little girls - 3 years and 1 day old! = Pedophile RAPE!

"It is even stated that “A girl aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabited with her, she becomes his.” 80 http://www.global-dialogue.com/swidlerbooks/womenjudaism.htm Josephus, Antiquities, XIX, 354

How about little boys?

(Talmud, Sanhedrin 54b — see note 7): Our Rabbis taught: In the case of a male child, a young one is not regarded as on a par with an old one; but a young beast is treated as an old one [i.e, bestiality was punished regardless of the age of the beast]. What is meant by this? — Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that...

They even kidnapped and RAPED their own women, from a Sacred site - Shiloh, - after they committed genocide against one of their own tribes, - murdering the majority of the females! = RAPE!

Jdg 21:20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;

Jdg 21:21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and seize you every man his woman of the daughters of Shiloh, and run/flee to the land of Benjamin. (RAPE)

If they spied a hot captive, and wanted her, they could take her home, let her scream for her dead family for a whopping 30 days, and then go in and take her = RAPE!

Deut 21:10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives,

Deut 21:13 and shall remove the clothing of her captivity from her, and shall live in your house, and shall morn for her father and her mother a month of days. And afterward shall go into her as master, making her your woman. (slavery, rape)

They were allowed to rape a woman once after the battle, - even the priests! = RAPE! We have writings discussing such.

"In the Talmud Bavli 12 we see in Kiddushin 21b the general agreement that a soldier is allowed one act of intercourse with a captive, but not on the battlefield. Another opinion is also mentioned by the jews: "..it seems to Rabbenu Tam 13 that a first cohabitation is permitted in war.."

Maimonides (1195a: 5:8:4): "A priest is permitted to have relations with a captive woman once, for permission to have relations with a captive woman is a concession to man's evil impulse; but he is not permitted to marry her, because she is a proselyte."

Maimonides (1195a: 5:8:2,3): "A soldier in the invading army may, if overpowered by passion, cohabit with a captive woman - [but] he is forbidden to cohabit with her a second time before he marries her - Coition with her is permitted only at the time when she is taken captive - he must not force her in the open field of battle - that is, he shall take her to a private place and cohabit with her."

Do you really think this Patriarchal crap - is superior - and from God?????

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The Law Covenant was not Moses' law. It was from Jehovah God, given to Moses, to transmit to Israel.

 

[Unification]

LOL! Dude! You have no idea what the invisible man says, or said.

I suggest you ask the Jews if the Covenant has ended, or has passed from them!

You need to read the verses in context!


Jer 29:1 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

Jer 31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

Jer 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.



Jer 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.

Jer 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This obviously has to do with Jews, - not some future Christians! And it does NOT in any way say it changes the given laws!

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Israel in scripture has never been a literal physical nation or heritage.
Has a deeper spiritual meaning.
Same with Judah and Jerusalem and Egypt.
This would make God a respector of persons and would have to have an alternative and deeper meaning.

 

[truthofscripture]

LOL! Dude! You have no idea what the invisible man says, or said.

I suggest you ask the Jews if the Covenant has ended, or has passed from them!

You need to read the verses in context!


Jer 29:1 Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon;

Jer 31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

Jer 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.



Jer 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.

Jer 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This obviously has to do with Jews, - not some future Christians! And it does NOT in any way say it changes the given laws!

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Jews ignore almost half of the inspired word of God, so why would one ask them? they won't be honest about it. they are also deliberately antichrist.

 

[Unification]

I can understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe God is any more invisible than I am. I suppose laws could evolve over time, but the obverse is demonstrably true; we have unambiguous modern examples of laws that came into being from revelation. I believe it is you who are being naive.

They could not murder their sons and daughters, but they could exact justice... is that what you referring to? Are you against justice?

You mean to keep them from starvation? Are you really going to advocate starvation? Sometimes putting children up for adoption is the right thing to do. This was their equivalent.

Again, I am not sure what you are talking about. Are you calling the religious wars murder? Traditionally, not all killing is considered to be murder. Murder has a very specific definition.

Those aren't my words. It took time for people to learn to respect the law. Are you against having laws?

I'm not sure what you mean by "stronger". A totalitarian system that punishes both the guilty and the innocent, without respect to personal liberties would be stronger... it just wouldn't be as fair. I agree that great evils have been perpetrated in the name of religion. Great evils have also been perpetrated in the name of atheism. Men seem to be equal opportunity propagandists.

I certainly do see situations in which slavery is the most compassionate choice. Sometimes the only alternative was death. I think slavery is usually preferable to death. Joseph may not have liked being sold into slavery, but it was far better than being murdered by his brothers. When two clans clash in war, there is always the problem of what to do with the prisoners. Enslaving them is more compassionate than killing them. Releasing them without consequence would seem naive. One could even make the argument that blacks - enslaved in Africa and brought to the United States - were far better off than their cannibalistic cousins. Not all societies are created equal. I don't have to respect societies that have little regard for human life, whether that lack of regard shows up as slavery or cannibalism or totalitarianism. Slavery is usually wrong, but not always. Jewish slaves could own property, earn their own money, buy their own freedom, and were automatically freed after 6 years. Think of it as a system of justice where prisoners don't have to go to prison.

Who are we talking about? The Jews? Jewish slaves were held up to six years. Foreign slaves could be held indefinitely.

This sounds a lot like arm-chair Quarter Backing. The Jews had a hard time keeping the laws that God gave them; should he have given them even stricter laws? I think he gave them the laws that were fair for the time.

Here you are, in a different culture, in a different age, judging the laws of another culture, another age. If we had a time machine, and brought a Jew from 1500 BC to today, and showed them our laws, I'd bet they would think our laws were worse than slavery. I don't think you can understand their culture any more than they could understand ours.

I don't buy the idea that a slave can't be a willing partner. Nor do I buy into the idea that they shared our expectations and sensibilities on the subject. The female slaves might not have viewed it as rape at all.

We live in an age where women are treated like men, legally speaking. They are literate, and for the most part don't sacrifice their children to idols. That hasn't always been the case.

I don't condone slavery or rape in today's world, but I refuse to sit in judgment over the system that was largely the inspiration for our modern legal system. Without the Judeo-Christian world-view, there is little to no foundation for the argument that rape is wrong. You can't have it both ways.

Children are seeds of knowledge, thoughts, emotions, desires. Either good or evil.

Murdering children is no different than evil knowledge, thoughts, emotions and desires being destroyed within the human.

Enslaving and being a slave and being a prisoner is no different than being controlled by the ego, reputation, pride, haightiness, arrogance, the rampant desires of the flesh. Evil thoughts, knowledge, desires, and emotions consume an individual. Control and dominion over the human. Nothing literal. The beast of the bottomless pit never (the human always wanting more and more of their evil desires, never content or satisfied or at peace. Being enslaved and something negative controlling us is complete mental conscious hell. Or one can have the good children (seeds of knowledge of God) within them and be in a state of oneness, peace, contentment in all, and love.

A Jew is one inward, spiritual... Nothing to do with heritage. Enslaved for 6 years and "set free" is nothing different than the number of natural man (6) becoming whole/complete/one/entering God's rest at (7). The sinner released and set free. The law becoming grace. The old man left behind, new man created. Reborn.

God(Spirit) is the husband. We are the wives-that is all humans both guys and girls. Not literal husband and wives as the flesh and natural perceive such. Guys have no problem being a bride of Christ but have every problem being the wife. Why so? Because they need an ego and to control their wives? Sorry fellas... Can't get the woman to love and respect you without having to misinterpret scriptures to control.. You don't deserve them. The human is to be in subjection to God. Not literal girl to guy.

Rape is a poor English word used. Means nothing more spiritually for something to be controlling and dominating us.

 

[Ingledsva]

I can understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe God is any more invisible than I am. I suppose laws could evolve over time, but the obverse is demonstrably true; we have unambiguous modern examples of laws that came into being from revelation. I believe it is you who are being naive.

ING - There is no naivety in understanding how laws evolved. There is naivety in believing an invisible man puffed them into existence.

They could not murder their sons and daughters, but they could exact justice... is that what you referring to? Are you against justice?

ING - Murder is murder! I think I'll murder my son or daughter, because I think they drink too much, - or they cussed at me! That is straight out murder, and Hebrew law said they could do it. They also originally killed the first born son.

You mean to keep them from starvation? Are you really going to advocate starvation? Sometimes putting children up for adoption is the right thing to do. This was their equivalent.

ING - Bull it is the equivalent! The law gives no reasons! They could do so for any reason!

Again, I am not sure what you are talking about. Are you calling the religious wars murder? Traditionally, not all killing is considered to be murder. Murder has a very specific definition.

ING - YES, killing others for their religious beliefs is MURDER, Just as it is with ISIS today! And when Christians killed Mormons!

Those aren't my words. It took time for people to learn to respect the law. Are you against having laws?

ING - Red-herring!

I'm not sure what you mean by "stronger". A totalitarian system that punishes both the guilty and the innocent, without respect to personal liberties would be stronger... it just wouldn't be as fair. I agree that great evils have been perpetrated in the name of religion. Great evils have also been perpetrated in the name of atheism. Men seem to be equal opportunity propagandists.

ING - Again Red-Herring! You are claiming right by Godly Might. However many of the "Godly" laws, are just plain evil! Which as I have said before, - lets me know that the God of the Bible, - is not God.

I certainly do see situations in which slavery is the most compassionate choice. Sometimes the only alternative was death. I think slavery is usually preferable to death. Joseph may not have liked being sold into slavery, but it was far better than being murdered by his brothers. When two clans clash in war, there is always the problem of what to do with the prisoners. Enslaving them is more compassionate than killing them. Releasing them without consequence would seem naive. One could even make the argument that blacks - enslaved in Africa and brought to the United States - were far better off than their cannibalistic cousins. Not all societies are created equal. I don't have to respect societies that have little regard for human life, whether that lack of regard shows up as slavery or cannibalism or totalitarianism. Slavery is usually wrong, but not always. Jewish slaves could own property, earn their own money, buy their own freedom, and were automatically freed after 6 years. Think of it as a system of justice where prisoners don't have to go to prison.

ING - Being a Slave for the rest of your life, - being bred to make more slaves, and those resulting children also being slaves forever, - is NOT OK!

I hope you get a lot of flack for saying black people were better off under slavery, rather then living their normal lives! How you can think being torn from your family, enslaved, beaten, tortured, bred, raped, and murdered, - is better off then simple village life, - is beyond me! But then you guys seem willing to say anything to defend of your God's evil!

Who are we talking about? The Jews? Jewish slaves were held up to six years. Foreign slaves could be held indefinitely.

ING - Jews were indentured servants, whom could only be held for a specified amount of time. ALL others were SLAVES - held forever.

This sounds a lot like arm-chair Quarter Backing. The Jews had a hard time keeping the laws that God gave them; should he have given them even stricter laws? I think he gave them the laws that were fair for the time.

ING - I always find this argument particularly ridiculous and disingenuous. There are more than 300 laws, - and you are arguing for them even if they include slavery and rape, but this supposedly perfect and real God, - somehow couldn't figure out rudimentary human rights laws! It is not OK to own women! It is not OK to rape women! It is not OK to hold slaves! It is not OK to murder other people because they do something you don't like - sex - working on Sabbath - or a rowdy or drinking child! It is not OK to murder people for having a different religion, etc.!

Here you are, in a different culture, in a different age, judging the laws of another culture, another age. If we had a time machine, and brought a Jew from 1500 BC to today, and showed them our laws, I'd bet they would think our laws were worse than slavery. I don't think you can understand their culture any more than they could understand ours.

ING - And again - we are not talking about the people! The laws are supposedly from a superior God! Where are the superior laws?

I don't buy the idea that a slave can't be a willing partner. Nor do I buy into the idea that they shared our expectations and sensibilities on the subject. The female slaves might not have viewed it as rape at all.

ING - When you specifically buy an enslaved female - for sex - that is RAPE - every time you Scr*w her. She has no choice! She is a sex slave!

Also, - So if someone takes YOUR child - enslaves her - and rapes her - this is OK - she probably wanted it? It was somehow so different back then, that women wanted to be made slaves, - and have no freedom, - and forced sex?

We live in an age where women are treated like men, legally speaking. They are literate, and for the most part don't sacrifice their children to idols. That hasn't always been the case.

ING - Not sure what you think this has to do with our subject? Apparently you didn't read all the Hebrew laws! Children were owned by their FATHERS - thus - said children were being sacrificed by their husbands! YES! The Hebrew originally sacrificed the First Born Son!

I don't condone slavery or rape in today's world, but I refuse to sit in judgment over the system that was largely the inspiration for our modern legal system. Without the Judeo-Christian world-view, there is little to no foundation for the argument that rape is wrong. You can't have it both ways.

EXPAND HIS FOR ALL ANSWERS -

It is BULL that our laws evolved from Jewish law. They evolved over time, and are obviously still evolving.

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[Unification]

Children are seeds of knowledge, thoughts, emotions, desires. Either good or evil.

Murdering children is no different than evil knowledge, thoughts, emotions and desires being destroyed within the human.

Enslaving and being a slave and being a prisoner is no different than being controlled by the ego, reputation, pride, haightiness, arrogance, the rampant desires of the flesh. Evil thoughts, knowledge, desires, and emotions consume an individual. Control and dominion over the human. Nothing literal. The beast of the bottomless pit never (the human always wanting more and more of their evil desires, never content or satisfied or at peace. Being enslaved and something negative controlling us is complete mental conscious hell. Or one can have the good children (seeds of knowledge of God) within them and be in a state of oneness, peace, contentment in all, and love.

A Jew is one inward, spiritual... Nothing to do with heritage. Enslaved for 6 years and "set free" is nothing different than the number of natural man (6) becoming whole/complete/one/entering God's rest at (7). The sinner released and set free. The law becoming grace. The old man left behind, new man created. Reborn.

God(Spirit) is the husband. We are the wives-that is all humans both guys and girls. Not literal husband and wives as the flesh and natural perceive such. Guys have no problem being a bride of Christ but have every problem being the wife. Why so? Because they need an ego and to control their wives? Sorry fellas... Can't get the woman to love and respect you without having to misinterpret scriptures to control.. You don't deserve them. The human is to be in subjection to God. Not literal girl to guy.

Rape is a poor English word used. Means nothing more spiritually for something to be controlling and dominating us.

it's the world's and the vain church buildings and man's carnal wisdom of lower nature to take everything literally in scripture and create evil. What deceit. The beast of the bottomless pit never satisfied unless others are oppressed, they are right, and their bottomless desires of the flesh are fed to their ego and reputation.

 

[Ingledsva]

Jews ignore almost half of the inspired word of God, so why would one ask them? they won't be honest about it. they are also deliberately antichrist.

And there you have it - the crap some Christians say against Jews!

THEIR TANAKH does NOT say YHVH abandoned them!

As usual Christians are mistranslating/misunderstanding Jewish texts, - and then claiming to be correct, and righteous! LOL!

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[Unification]

And there you have it - the crap some Christians say against Jews!

THEIR TANAKH does NOT say YHVH abandoned them!

As usual Christians are mistranslating/misunderstanding Jewish texts, - and then claiming to be correct, and righteous! LOL!

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Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have no idea what they even read. . Because they don't have the Spirit teaching Spirit stuff. They have their own beastly and carnal minds teaching them literal, outward, and fleshly garbage. . However they choose to perceive such. What a tragedy. Most of their lives in vain. Saddens me.

 

[Ingledsva]

Israel in scripture has never been a literal physical nation or heritage.
Has a deeper spiritual meaning.
Same with Judah and Jerusalem and Egypt.
This would make God a respector of persons and would have to have an alternative and deeper meaning.

You are welcome to any interpretation you want to hold, - however, - I am debating with people whom believe this crap IS the word of God.

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[Unification]

You are welcome to any interpretation you want to hold, - however, - I am debating with people whom believe this crap IS the word of God.

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Scripture is scripture.
The word of God is the word of God.

Isn't is crazy all of the excuses one makes for the literal interpretation of the OT to defend them even when deep down they know it's everything anti-God?

 

[Unification]

12 tribes of Israel around tabernacle are nothing more than 12 cranial nerves around brain.

Two becoming one is nothing more than the west hemisphere(man's lower nature) of brain joining the east hemisphere of brain (man's higher conscious nature) one should study East and West in scripture. It's beautiful and in the brain.

When does the Son of man come?
When did Abraham begin to worship God?

The house of God is YOU.

The altar built to GOD is YOU, within you. . Either good or evil knowledge stored in the brain and both at war within ones head.

The tribe of Judah on the East, camped 186,400.... Speed of "light."

We all know what comes from Judah... The Christ conscious, light, knowledge/wisdom of God.

The brain doesn't operate at the speed of light. It's God. (Spirit) (energy)

God is internal.

From the stem of Jesse is nothing more than the brain stem.

The serpent is nothing more than the carnal mind where seed grows and expands. (Reptilian brain.)

The sacrifice of the animal is YOU. . The lame, deaf, and blind. And ones carnality. Not literal animals. We are the beasts. Even literal animals become trained and obedient at a much higher pace than the carnal beastly human of the flesh.

The blood is IN all humans, in the house of God. Where the Spirit dwells.

Jacob at the place of "Pineal" is nothing more than the west and east brain becoming one right in between the gland located right in the center of the hemispheres of brains.

It's endless. The kingdom is within and creates zero divide. All of scripture is about the human and God... Internally.
What every single human has in common.

The entire NT is the OT. The entire OT is the NT.

Be led by the Spirit, the higher conscious, not the carnality or natural fleshly nature of oneself and mind.

Hold yourselves accountable, be humbled, brought low. No shame in that. Blaming a literal devil. The devil is in us all and needs defeated... The conditioned carnal mind. We are the beasts.

It's all a HEAD battle.

 

[rrosskopf]

There is no naivety in understanding how laws evolved.

Sure there is. You naively think that the opinions of men are accurate, whereas the religious history is not.

There is naivety in believing an invisible man puffed them into existence.

First of all, I don't believe that God is invisible, or that he "puffed" men into existence. He is as real and tangible as you or I, and he uses the laws of nature just like us. It is naive to believe that life is an accident.

Murder is murder! I think I'll murder my son or daughter, because I think they drink too much, - or they cussed at me! That is straight out murder, and Hebrew law said they could do it.

If you are just going to make up any definition you want, then your words will be meaningless to anyone else. According to Merriam Webster, murder is "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought". There is no malice here; parents love their children. Nor is there any law broken, as the parents would be trying to follow the law. You may argue that the penalty outweighs the injury, but you cannot call it murder. BTW, your examples are silly exaggerations.

(Concerning selling children into slavery)The law gives no reasons! They could do so for any reason!

Who loves a child more than their parents? The parents are in the best position to decide what is best for the child. If they are so unfeeling as to sell the child without any real reason, then maybe that really is for the child's best benefit. They didn't have adoption agencies. Who ever paid the most would likely treat the child the best. What is the alternative?

YES, killing others for their religious beliefs is MURDER

The malice aforethought is there, and certainly in the case of the Mormons, it was illegal. So that was certainly murder. It was not murder in the case of the Israelites, who were following the law.

You are claiming right by Godly Might.

No, I am not. Just because a being is powerful, it doesn't follow that they are righteous. I will be first in line to fight against all wicked gods. I just happen to know this one, and he is not wicked.

However many of the "Godly" laws, are just plain evil!

Nonsense. You are judging unrighteously, and unfairly, thousands of years removed from the reality of the time.

 

[Ingledsva]

Scripture is scripture.
The word of God is the word of God.

Isn't is crazy all of the excuses one makes for the literal interpretation of the OT to defend them even when deep down they know it's everything anti-God?

Indeed.

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