Why Evil?

[truthofscripture]

My turn to say it does not say that. Your add on Christian ideas are just bunk to Jewish Tanakh texts. Tanakh says the Jewish people will always be his people.

You read out of context. It is moaning and wailing - and taking them back as usual - to fulfill the ALWAYS HIS PEOPLE!

I mean good grief - LOL - like they are going to write a text that says God dumped them! LOL!

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Well, it is your choice to ignore the Christian Greek scriptures. I can't tell you otherwise. As for me, I don't believe part of the scriptures, and ignore part of them. They are ALL the inspired word of Jehovah God.

 

[Ingledsva]

Well, it is your choice to ignore the Christian Greek scriptures. I can't tell you otherwise. As for me, I don't believe part of the scriptures, and ignore part of them. They are ALL the inspired word of Jehovah God.

Or so you think.

Christianity is so funny. You latch onto another religion's texts, and their Messiah. Then mistranslate, and change texts, for your new religion. Then create new places and beings = Hell and an autonomous evil Satan. Then say YHVH is now yours, - he has abandoned his people the Jews. LOL!

If they are ALL the inspired word of God - then why are the Tanakh texts being mistranslated by you folks? The Jews can tell you folks what their texts say, and mean. Why don't you ask them?

The answer is that you have created a different religion, - with a lot of it built on misunderstanding, and misinformation, - of the Hebrew religion.

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[truthofscripture]

Or so you think.

Christianity is so funny. You latch onto another religion's texts, and their Messiah. Then mistranslate, and change texts, for your new religion. Then create new places and beings = Hell and an autonomous evil Satan. Then say YHVH is now yours, - he has abandoned his people the Jews. LOL!

If they are ALL the inspired word of God - then why are the Tanakh texts being mistranslated by you folks? The Jews can tell you folks what their texts say, and mean. Why don't you ask them?

The answer is that you have created a different religion, - with a lot of it built on misunderstanding, and misinformation, - of the Hebrew religion.

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I have created nothing.

 

[Baladas]

Or so you think.

Christianity is so funny. You latch onto another religion's texts, and their Messiah. Then mistranslate, and change texts, for your new religion. Then create new places and beings = Hell and an autonomous evil Satan. Then say YHVH is now yours, - he has abandoned his people the Jews. LOL!

If they are ALL the inspired word of God - then why are the Tanakh texts being mistranslated by you folks? The Jews can tell you folks what their texts say, and mean. Why don't you ask them?

The answer is that you have created a different religion, - with a lot of it built on misunderstanding, and misinformation, - of the Hebrew religion.

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Most Christians I've met don't think their God abandoned the Jews...I certainly didn't.
I think it really sucks that there are apparently so many out there that do.

I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

In the beginning God created everything. Even evil. However, God never used evil. Instead he allowed the Devil to take control of evil so that there would be a story so that he would glorify himself and all people would know that he is God and he executes judgement upon sin as he judges all things. He has a right to since he created all things. Any thoughts?

My thought...simpleton logic. It can only come from one of two places..the truth or a simpleton. If it's the truth, then god is a unique individual, the only extent entity in the universe, and he has to create 'other' just so he can show 'other' that he's glorified. If true, then god is a pathetic psychopath; if it's not true then all religion is psychotic.

 

[Unification]

All of the destroying in the Hebrew Scriptures is internally within a human.
The destruction of evil knowledge, thoughts, emotion, and desires. The destruction of ones ego/lower self. Not literal.

Ie: Joshua making the sun and moon stand still (meditation) and conquering his emotions.

Knowledge of good and evil.

Child in scripture: seed of knowledge.

There is no such thing as talking snakes. The serpent is the carnal mind (reptilian brain). The animals and beasts are carnal humans.

Men and women, male and female, husband and wife are NOT literal and physical meanings that we think.

Poor English words such as "rape" and others have been used in place of what they truly mean.

Destroying the world was destroying Noah's created empire and world within himself.

We are like gods, capable of creating both good and evil to ourselves and to each other. Ability and power to create, ourselves.

Death is not physical death, it's separation from God, a fractured mind needing whole.

 

[Ingledsva]

I have created nothing.

I said Christianity created...

Note the first words -

Christianity is so funny. You latch onto another religion's texts,...

In other words the -you - is Christianity in general.

 

[Ingledsva]

Most Christians I've met don't think their God abandoned the Jews...I certainly didn't.
I think it really sucks that there are apparently so many out there that do.

I agree with the rest of your post.

And of course Tanakh doesn't say YHVH abandoned them. There is a back and forth of disobedience and redemption, but it says they will always be his people.


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[truthofscripture]

I said Christianity created...

Note the first words -

Christianity is so funny. You latch onto another religion's texts,...

In other words the -you - is Christianity in general.

No, I've latched onto the ENTIRETY of the inspired words of God the Almighty.

 

[Desert Snake]

Maybe not in your Tanakh. But there is a tempter within the first three chapters of the Old Testament. And what about in the book of Job? The accuser= ha satan. The accuser is also on the spiritual plane because there is no way a non spirit being can stand in the presence of god.

Adding to this, there is also no declaration that there is no ''Satan.'' Since we get reference to this character in the NT, we can or should assume some Hebraic relationship with this concept, imo.

 

[Ingledsva]

Adding to this, there is also no declaration that there is no ''Satan.'' Since we get reference to this character in the NT, we can or should assume some Hebraic relationship with this concept, imo.

Who said there was no Satan in Tanakh?

I said there was no evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

In Tanakh he is a servant of God - testing people - and if found wanting - bringing them before God to accuse them.

You will note that RedDragon also said - (The accuser is also on the spiritual plane because there is no way a non spirit being can stand in the presence of god.) However, that is NOT what the Bible says about Satan. He brings people before God to accuse them. We have the story of him bringing the High priest before God, - for instance.

The idea that Satan was autonomous, and evil, came later.

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[Desert Snake]

Who said there was no Satan in Tanakh?

I said there was no evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

In Tanakh he is a servant of God - testing people - and if found wanting - bringing them before God to accuse them.

You will note that RedDragon also said - (The accuser is also on the spiritual plane because there is no way a non spirit being can stand in the presence of god.) However, that is NOT what the Bible says about Satan. He brings people before God to accuse them. We have the story of him bringing the High priest before God, - for instance.

The idea that Satan was autonomous, and evil, came later.

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I believe this is up for opinion. We have enough evidence for a possible autonomous malevolent being, imo, for people to hold that opinion.

 

[Desert Snake]

About Satan being able to be in the presence of G-d, I would agree with you on that.

 

[truthofscripture]

About Satan being able to be in the presence of G-d, I would agree with you on that.

I cannot understand the bizarre fear of typing or saying the title of Jehovah God. God is a title, Jehovah is His name. Fear of writing or saying Jehovah's title began centuries ago and was a tradition of MAN not of God.

 

[Desert Snake]

I cannot understand the bizarre fear of typing or saying the title of Jehovah God. God is a title, Jehovah is His name. Fear of writing or saying Jehovah's title began centuries ago and was a tradition of MAN not of God.

There is no 'fear' involved in the manner of writing the Deific title thusly. I sometimes have in the forums written JHVH, as well.

 

[truthofscripture]

There is no 'fear' involved in the manner of writing the Deific title thusly. I sometimes have in the forums written JHVH, as well.

I saw you type G_d and was curious.

 

[truthofscripture]

This subject has cme up before. Some Jewish people write G-d that way as well. It's just am matter of tradition and respect, really.
Some theories are that it has to do with not being able to go back and erase inked manuscripts, when hand copying religious texts; I think that it is more likely simply a matter of not taking the name lightly etc. I write all the titles depending on the subject, or sometimes just 'God', as well.

In my opinion it is a sign of DISRESPECT for Jehovah God. If it is respect to people, is is then also a sign of disrespect to Jehovah God. God is the only one who deserves respect and honor and worship.

 

[Ingledsva]

I cannot understand the bizarre fear of typing or saying the title of Jehovah God. God is a title, Jehovah is His name. Fear of writing or saying Jehovah's title began centuries ago and was a tradition of MAN not of God.

And obviously you do not know that Jehovah is the correct translation of the tetragrammaton.

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[Ingledsva]

In my opinion it is a sign of DISRESPECT for Jehovah God. If it is respect to people, is is then also a sign of disrespect to Jehovah God. God is the only one who deserves respect and honor and worship.

Well, in this case your opinion doesn't count. They very obviously were honoring YHVH by doing this, - as they felt it too Sacred and Powerful to be spoken. You have to remember that they were in a time when names were used for magic. God's name would be powerful magic.

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[truthofscripture]

And obviously you do not know that Jehovah is the correct translation of the tetragrammaton.

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Since I DO know the pronunciation of most of the names incorporating Jehovah's name, and there are many, then Jehovah is the most likely pronunciation.