Looks to me as if you are saying that how I am describing your God to be, is true and therefore - your God (at least to humans) is unfair, but God is not "actually" unfair in reality.
I really don't understand how you can pull that out from what I said, well I can because it supports your postion.
I started off by saying that "life is not fair,not that God is " by this, I was saying that life is unfair ,not that God is unfair.
If anyone could pull another meaning from this so suit their position ,it would be you ,so I will try to be clearer next time.
Our human reasoning is all we have to work with roli.
So you say, and so you think,that is a very secular, humanistic and intellectual position to take , but you seem to overlook one very important factor regarding God's means to save,convict, reveal and confirm himself to mankind, is through his spirit. There is no other way God chooses to reveal himself and his son to mankind
Good works,good intentions,intellect,wisdom,knowledge,insight and the like, apart from the illumination of the Holy Spirit is naturalistic and carnal and not able to connect with God, alone.
Holdem, I don't think you comprehend the significance of the person,work and power of the "Holy Spirit when it comes to salvation..... no ,the whole Christian experience.
You cannot just say "through our current understanding and through human reasoning, God is unfair.
I never said God is unfair, I am saying and have been saying all along that,"God reaches the humnan spirit,that is the deep recesses of the heart of man by means of His spirit. If you know anything about Christianity,you should know this one most important principal.
That is why Paul in 1 Cor said "the
natural man receives not the things of God ,
neither can he know them
they are foolishness to him because they are spiritually discerned"
The natural man is the reasoning,intellect and knowledge man possesses.
But he is "actually" fair, I just don't know how". Why someone would hold a belief that even to them makes God seem unfair,
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Again ,i never said God was unfair, I said it may seem that way to finite man.
The only way God seems to be unfair to man is because of man's ignorance of the things of God.Before I ever admit that God is unfair, I must look inward to the things of my heart that I fail to comprehend,acknowledge or am ignorant of.
Looks like you are trying to avoid all of my questions by saying this."
I am rather explicit as a matter of fact, it's just that you can't accept any of these answers,not that I can explain everything that God does,but I certainly know more about God ,now then I did when I was on the other side of the fence and after studying ,praying and seeking his will for my life for that past 11 yrs, I can say that I have a fair understanding of God's word and other things concerning the Christian faith.
I am a student of the word of God and Christianity and am by no means a scholar
Its a poor excuse for a reason to say that why I am not seeing the "truth" is because of my ignorance.
If you knew any scripture, at least concerning Jesus speaking to the brilliant legal minds,scribes and philosophers of his time ,you would undertsand that he said they were blind guides, that they were not able to see the mystery of the Kingdom of God because of their religiousity,carnal ,fleshly mindsets.
Mat 13:10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes-- so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.'*
You are saying people become Christian without receiving answers to vital questions, you are saying that people become Christian without doing anything that really requires any effort is nothing but sheer luck - therefore it cannot be rewarded.
Luck certainly does'nt please God or make him come down and touch my spirit,change my heart ,my desires,my life,my future,my eternal destiny.
Faith in Christ unlocks the the secrets of the Kingdom of God, luck as no bearing whatsoever.
This does not mean that I don't have doubts some days,many times,but my emotions,feelings and mind certainly play a part in how long I stay there.
.But to say that one persons belief based on faith will IN ANY WAY be favoured over an other persons belief based on EQUAL faith, ONLY because one was false and one was true, is insane and makes ZERO sense.
Your going to have to eitehr take that up with God or experience yourself and that experience may not occur through your internal fortitude or your intellectual accent.
Maybe through circumstances that have or will happen in your life.
It's kind of ironic, but often God uses our life circumstances and experiences to turn our stubborn heads and hard hearts to God.
MAny an atheists have cried out to God when found between a rock and a hard place,I wonder why that has to happen that way.
. But if you don't know then you cannot really continue to say that God will in anyway favour Christians over non-Christian - because you don't know why, you have no reason to have this belief. To keep a belief that you have no reason to believe, is a whole new level of ignorance.
Please, keep your words out of my mouth.
My belief is not in question here,it's yours that is in question.
I'm quite content in what I believe, Holdem.
Concerning whether God will favor those who have placed their trust in his son over those who have not ,well ,read the bible or pray to God to reveal that truth, because I have tried to share the truth of what God says in his word concerning those issues and you can't seem receive it.
Christians who do not have a reason to believe that God will favour them over an equally devoutful, equally honest, equally passionate, equally loving, equally believing Hindu, will not believe that he will, they will just say they don't know - for they have no reason to believe
Maybe the problem is not that you don't believe in anything concerning Christianity, but that you don't " want "to believe anything about it.
Maybe that is a good thing ,because the first thing one should see is their sinful heart before a Holy God, the rest is so insignificant that it pails in comparison to seeing our position before a Holy God.
My problem is that to some Christians, being good would not matter at all and neither would being bad. It would not matter because it is not what gets one into heaven or hell.
It''s not a matter of "goodness" but that of righteousness, it does'nt matter how good or bad one is ,but whether one is declared righteous before a Holy God, which is only brought about by accepting the substitutionary death of Christ and receiving his righteousness.
You are basically saying that "you are proving/have proved that my God is unfair, but this is just through human reasoning. but I just do not understand how, it will all be made clear someday"
Maybe your god does'nt exist, maybe he is just an image you have created in your mind, one that suits your lifestyle,practices,beleifs etc.
As a matter of fact, that is what I have done,I have believed in the image of the God described in scripture,so if I burn for believing in and trusting the God of the bible. You can have the last word and laugh, but as it stands I am confident in what I believe and will be unmoved for;
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
You need to give me answers and reason, not just say "I believe that God would favour Christians but have no idea why"..
The difference between you and me is that I have inside knowledge,assurance and confience in the God I serve, enough so ,that I place my eternal destiny in his hands
And I can sleep at night knowing, that if I die I will spend eternity with him and for me that's all I need.
1Jo 5:13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
RiverWolf you are also welcome to answer this (putting your "narrow minded Christian head" on of course
), since I tend to understand you better than roli
2Ti 4:3For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to right teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever they want to hear.
