Why God created people that are destined for Hell...

[challupa]

For now.

Now that's a scary thought. I hope it doesn't go back to that. We saw enough of that during the Dark ages.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Of course not. God personally took up a quill pen and wrote it himself. Oh wait, that's right. He got a human to do it.

Maybe god lacks fingers which make it extremely difficult to effectively use a quill pen. Maybe his god was like Vincent Price in Edward Scissorhands and dropped dead before he could attach them.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Now that's a scary thought. I hope it doesn't go back to that. We saw enough of that during the Dark ages.

No doubt. But you've got to wonder whether the kind of psychopathic personality which once nearly destroyed all life on earth can ever really change. I mean that kind of sociopathy doesn't just disappear - it can be hidden for awhile, but that means it will only express itself more violently upon returning.

 

[challupa]

No doubt. But you've got to wonder whether the kind of psychopathic personality which once nearly destroyed all life on earth can ever really change. I mean that kind of sociopathy doesn't just disappear - it can be hidden for awhile, but that means it will only express itself more violently upon returning.

Fear can make it escalate. Suppression does have the tendency to make things build beyond reasonablness when they resurface. Threat of annhilation of power or the right to be heard can cause all kinds of problems, most of them nasty.

 

[McBell]

God has always forbad human sacrifice.

I disagree.
Judges 11:29 -39 describes a deal with God that He (God) receive a human sacrifice.

 

[roli]

Nope, this is not something that they are doing that is better. Someone who has an equal amount of faith in Islam is NO different to someone who has faith in Jesus.

Ok, for arguements sake, the faith it takes to question and or pursue the things of God are equal across the board.
I believe it comes from a common inherent trait in all of us to search out God, but in saying that, there are many concepts of various gods in this world and they are all not pointing to the "one true God" of the bible.

Oh ya,they point to a man made image of God, but in our relativistic ,new age, ammoral society it;'s easy to see what that actually looks like.
"My god is this and that and does this and does that,he does'nt do this and would;nt do that".
Man ends up creating a god to suit their own needs and wants ,likes and dislikes..and then you have a society with so many mixed created concepts of god they lose his true identity, or at least the identity of how he is depicted in his word.

Does that make their pusuits wrong and mine right, absolutely not,at least to them, but to the Christian the difference is in what they have faith in.
Faith of a christian comes through the word of God, via the "Holy Spirit" and than indwells the believer and God begins to confirm and reveal more truth of who he is,which is,the God of the bible, the God of creation, the God of salvation,the God of Judgement, the God of morality the God of eternity, the God of Holiness ,the God of righteousness ...etc.
My faith rests in Gid not in man and man's opinions don';t change that
It's not the quality or quantity of faith one has in their pursuit of God that causes God to accept,reward or punish them, it's the focal point of that faith.

For God to reward followers of Jesus, they must have done something better. I cannot not think of anything that they have done that will cause them to be favoured over a Muslim and it doesn't look like you can tell me either.

It's Jesus my freind,Jesus,Jesus, Jesus, what answer are you looking for.
The scripture is so true in saying:
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned
..and your looking at this from a purely, naturalistic position.

You are again saying that your God punishes and rewards based on sheer luck.

Either you can't handle the answer,your just not listening or your looking for me to collapse under your continual ignorance of what I am saying.

You have to tell me what a Christian has done that is worthy of such a great reward.

In works we have done nothing,none of us are worthy of his forgiveness, but in simple child like faith we have,Trusted, believed and received Jesus Christ as Lord and savior for the forgivenenss and redemption of our sins. His Holy Spirit has confirmed and assured our hearts of this truth and we have a continual living personal relationship with Him day to day until we see him.

Have they tried harder or more honestly to find truth than non-Christians?

I can't vouch for the quality or quantity of faith they have or have not>

See my above reply. You have to tell me why a Christian will be favoured by God over a Muslim and you cannot just say that they accepted Christ.

They responded to the call of God on their hearts,were broken and humbled and repentitive of their sin and cried out from that brokeness that they were utterly sinful and in need of a savior.
This expereince varies from person to person, but the only reason that man is accepted by God is that reached out and called on His son for forgiveness.
We did'nt trust in a religion or a church or tradition, or rituals or doctrine, but "Christ first.

Are you saying that a religion which teaches that God punishes and reward based on pure luck (not on effort to find truth or how good one has been in life) is not disgusting?

Luck has nothing to do with this and as disgusting as it may seem to you, that's not how I see my whole encounter and relationship with him.
May I suggest you call on God to reveal his truth to you.
God will judge each person according to their actions ,choices, belief and words.

When I said "nothing better" I meant nothing more reward worthy or right. I meant that being a Christian will not make God like you more than if you were a Muslim. You disagree with me, but you cannot at all explain why God will favour a Christian.

Does a muslim trust Jesus Christ that he was their substitutionary sacrifice on the cross and it was for this reason he came and died for our sins and rose on the third day and lives for evermore and has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel for everyone that believes ?

No you are wrong. You are saying that God will reward you ONLY because your religious beleifs are true, regardless of how hard you tried to find truth.

I believe God put those desires to pursue truth in you,were you eventually place them is your choice, and if they are contrary to His way,I believe he will never give up on those who pursue the truth that is found in him.
He's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.

I'm listening to most Christians on this forum. In fact, from what I've seen the only Christians who believe that only Christian are going to heaven, are the Christians who don't know much about Christianity.

Ok then!!!!!

Any way its a much more sensible belief to believe that followers of all religions are going to heaven, since you cannot even tell me why a Christian deserves heaven.

Of course it's sensible in this relativistic,humanistic, new age, liberal age we live in.

I thought that you would answer this by saying that there is a difference but you wouldn't tell me what the difference is. And I was right. If there is something - JUST ANYTHING - that a Christian is doing that a Muslim is not, then you have to explain why almost all people in Saudi Arabia are not doing that "thing".

Jesus Christ is just a man to them, not saviorand king and they think they can earn favor with God on their own merit. God's salvation plan is not a based on man's works.

And I've already told you how having faith in Jesus is no more special or better than having faith in Islam.

So you think ..????

Both are 100% equal. Both require faith to believe. Having faith in Jesus is not better in God sight than having faith in Islam

That's your understanding and convictions,but not the God of the bible and they don't believ in that version of God.

. You have to tell me how someone who chose to have faith in Jesus, deserves a reward. You still have not told me.

Jesus is the reward of those who trust in him, this simple truth passes right over your logic and I undertsand that, it's faith in him that unlocks the door to the secrets of who God is. it's progressive.

So you cant answer then

I did, but you can't see it, your rationale mind won't allow you to.
What else can I say ????

 

[Riverwolf]

May I suggest you call on God to reveal his truth to you.

Problems with this:

1. How do we know it's an actual God and not a. our own minds b. a demon c. another god, or d. the repeated voice of someone else?

2. God appears to tell different people different things, often completely different.

 

[HoldemDB9]

Ok, for arguements sake, the faith it takes to question and or pursue the things of God are equal across the board.
I believe it comes from a common inherent trait in all of us to search out God, but in saying that, there are many concepts of various gods in this world and they are all not pointing to the "one true God" of the bible.

Oh ya,they point to a man made image of God, but in our relativistic ,new age, ammoral society it;'s easy to see what that actually looks like.
"My god is this and that and does this and does that,he does'nt do this and would;nt do that".
Man ends up creating a god to suit their own needs and wants ,likes and dislikes..and then you have a society with so many mixed created concepts of god they lose his true identity, or at least the identity of how he is depicted in his word.

Does that make their pusuits wrong and mine right, absolutely not,at least to them, but to the Christian the difference is in what they have faith in.
Faith of a christian comes through the word of God, via the "Holy Spirit" and than indwells the believer and God begins to confirm and reveal more truth of who he is,which is,the God of the bible, the God of creation, the God of salvation,the God of Judgement, the God of morality the God of eternity, the God of Holiness ,the God of righteousness ...etc.
My faith rests in Gid not in man and man's opinions don';t change that
It's not the quality or quantity of faith one has in their pursuit of God that causes God to accept,reward or punish them, it's the focal point of that faith.

This is not telling me how or why a Christian can/will be favoured by God over a Muslim.

It's Jesus my freind,Jesus,Jesus, Jesus, what answer are you looking for.
The scripture is so true in saying:
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned
..and your looking at this from a purely, naturalistic position.

roli this is getting ridiculous, please answer my question. You have to tell me what Christians have done that deserves a reward, that a Muslim has not done, otherwise they do not deserve a reward and God can not give them anything. All you keep telling me is that they will be rewarded because they were right.

Either you can't handle the answer,your just not listening or your looking for me to collapse under your continual ignorance of what I am saying.

Whether or not a belief that is based on faith is true, is NOTHING but luck. That is a FACT. You are saying that God punishes and rewarded based on whether or not our beliefs are true. Therefore you are saying that God punishes and rewards based on luck. That is a FACT. I'm not being ignorant.

In works we have done nothing,none of us are worthy of his forgiveness, but in simple child like faith we have,Trusted, believed and received Jesus Christ as Lord and savior for the forgivenenss and redemption of our sins. His Holy Spirit has confirmed and assured our hearts of this truth and we have a continual living personal relationship with Him day to day until we see him.

Wow this really is insane. You are telling me that a Christian has done NOTHING that deserves heaven, yet they get it anyway just because they got lucky and had faith in something which happened to be true.

They responded to the call of God on their hearts,were broken and humbled and repentitive of their sin and cried out from that brokeness that they were utterly sinful and in need of a savior.
This expereince varies from person to person, but the only reason that man is accepted by God is that reached out and called on His son for forgiveness.
We did'nt trust in a religion or a church or tradition, or rituals or doctrine, but "Christ first.

Finally, you tried to come up with something that a Christian has done that is worthy of some kind of reward. But of course, it was a hilarious attempt. I don't even know where to start here. "They responded to the call of God on their hearts". Are you talking about God or Jesus?

Luck has nothing to do with this and as disgusting as it may seem to you, that's not how I see my whole encounter and relationship with him.
May I suggest you call on God to reveal his truth to you.
God will judge each person according to their actions ,choices, belief and words.

See my above reply roli, luck had everything to do with it, that's why I find it disgusting. Whether or not you are actually right about your beliefs in Jesus, is NOTHING but utter luck. And I completely agree with the part in bold. God could judge us on those things because we can control them and we can choose them. But God cannot judge us based on whether or not a belief that is based on faith is true.

Does a muslim trust Jesus Christ that he was their substitutionary sacrifice on the cross and it was for this reason he came and died for our sins and rose on the third day and lives for evermore and has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel for everyone that believes ?

No they don't. But this will not matter to God because in order to actually believe this you need to have faith. Ive already explained over and over again how God cannot punish and reward based on beliefs that were based on faith. All of your replies are assuming that Christianity is true. Every time I ask you why a Christian will be favoured over a Muslim you tell me "because Christianity is true". This is not a reason to get rewarded. So please answer my question. Please tell me why God will favour a Christian over a Muslim, because you did not explain it here.

I believe God put those desires to pursue truth in you,were you eventually place them is your choice, and if they are contrary to His way,I believe he will never give up on those who pursue the truth that is found in him.
He's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.

Ok, so you agree that God will reward based on how hard we try to find truth? What about all of the non-Christian in the world who are trying harder than most Christians?

Of course it's sensible in this relativistic,humanistic, new age, liberal age we live in.

Wait, so you agree that a certain belief is more sensible than the one you currently have, but you still choose to have the less sensible one?

Jesus Christ is just a man to them, not saviorand king and they think they can earn favor with God on their own merit. God's salvation plan is not a based on man's works.

Like I expected, still no answer. Still not JUST ONE THING that a Christian is doing/has done that deserves ANY KIND of reward. If you can not come up with anything roli, then you are saying that you God rewards based on pure luck.

So you think ..????

No, not so I think - so I know. They both require faith to believe - they are both completely equal. You disagree, but you cannot tell me how they are not equal in Gods eyes.

That's your understanding and convictions,but not the God of the bible and they don't believ in that version of God.

And you do not believe in their version of God. What if they get lucky and happen to be right? Do you feel as if it would be fair for God to punish you ONLY because your beliefs happened to be false? But he is going to reward all of those Muslims who TRIED LESS only because their beliefs just HAPPENED to be true?

Jesus is the reward of those who trust in him, this simple truth passes right over your logic and I undertsand that, it's faith in him that unlocks the door to the secrets of who God is. it's progressive.

Still can not come up with anything huh? To get a reward for trusting Jesus, there has to be something reward worthy about trusting Jesus. But you can not tell me how trusting Jesus deserves a reward. Imagine I try REALLY hard to find truth and I end up trusting Islam, but you try not so hard and end up trusting Christ. Who would God favour? The person who tried LESS? Don't make me laugh.

I did, but you can't see it, your rationale mind won't allow you to.
What else can I say ????

No you did not tell me once. You keep answering me when I ask, "How/why can a Christian be rewarded over a Muslim?" by saying that "They will be rewarded because Christianity is true". You cannot be rewarded by God JUST because a beliefs that was BASED on faith happened to be true.

And just in case I am missing something. Since roli really does think that he has gave me an answer, please if ANYONE can find it, tell me. All I want is JUST ONE THING that a Christian has done that will cause God to favour them over a Muslim. Just ONE SINGLE THING.

 

[Riverwolf]

And just in case I am missing something. Since roli really does think that he has gave me an answer, please if ANYONE can find it, tell me. All I want is JUST ONE THING that a Christian has done that will cause God to favour them over a Muslim. Just ONE SINGLE THING.

You mean how God would favor a Christian over a Muslim, or how you'd favor a Christian over a Muslim?

 

[ἀλήθεια]

Problems with this:

1. How do we know it's an actual God and not a. our own minds b. a demon c. another god, or d. the repeated voice of someone else?

Only believers know.

 

[challupa]

Actually I think it's more technically correct to say "only Knower's know".

 

[McBell]

Only believers know.

I agree.
They only believe they know.

 

[Riverwolf]

Only believers know.

Therefore your suggestion to ask God is completely nullified.

There is no hope for the rest of us. Even if we wanted to, we could never believe.

 

[HoldemDB9]

You mean how God would favor a Christian over a Muslim, or how you'd favor a Christian over a Muslim?

Well if you can tell why God would favour them, then I'm sure Id agree that I would also favour them, so any really. Just any one single reason that makes ALL Christians better than ALL non-Christians. If God is going to favour Christians over non-Christians, then every single Christian has to be doing something that every single non-Christian has not done. And "accepting Jesus" or "being a Christian" is NOT a reason. There has to be something in the process of accepting Jesus that is better or more reward worthy than accepting any other religion, because "accepting Jesus" is just faith. Christians say that God does not punish/reward based on how hard we tried to find truth or how honestly we searched for truth, yet they say that God will judge us based on whether or not we found it, this is just insane. If Christianity is true, then Christians have not found truth, they have just had faith in a belief and that belief just HAPPENED to be true. If Christianity is true, then Christians got lucky.

I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer, but Christians who believe that only they are going to heaven need to come up with one. I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer because - obviously as a non-Christian - I'm virtually 100% sure that there is not one. I mean, if there is, then you will have to explain why almost all religious people born in the USA are [insert answer] and why all born in Saudi Arabia are not [insert answer]. Coincidence? Just how on earth can a just, loving, righteous God reward people for having a certain belief (based on FAITH), regardless of how they came to have that belief.

Ive brought this up quite a few time with Christians and they either say that all religions will go to heaven, they don't know (which is fine), or they say that all Christians have obviously searched harder or done a better job at finding truth. Or of course, they just stop replying.

 

[roli]

Well if you can tell why God would favour them, then I'm sure Id agree that I would also favour them, so any really. Just any one single reason that makes ALL Christians better than ALL non-Christians. If God is going to favour Christians over non-Christians, then every single Christian has to be doing something that every single non-Christian has not done. And "accepting Jesus" or "being a Christian" is NOT a reason.

The whole purpose of the christian religion is to accept his son ,or not.
Every single born again christians as trusted in the sufficiency of Christ that in the shed blood of Christ the atonment of their sins as been accomplished.

You must believe, that means trust,rely on and have confidence in Jesus, not just believe on Jesus, but what he did,who he is
Jhn 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

.....if not ....God's wrath is still upon the individual

You must possess the son,in order to have the father
1Jo 5:12He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

You must accept,abide in ,dwell in the doctrine of Christ to accept and have the father
2Jo 1:9Whoever transgresses* and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

God accepts a man as his son because he has believed and received Christ.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you (God)receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

There has to be something in the process of accepting Jesus that is better or more reward worthy than accepting any other religion, because "accepting Jesus" is just faith.

You have no idea what your saying, behind faith in Jesus Christ is a world of expereince and knowledge and forgivenenss and acceptance and utmost assurance that you are accepted by the father.

You see the righteous that God requires for us to enter his presence is found in none other but Jesus Christ.
God is Holy and to enter his presence one must be declared righteous,holy acceptable and pleasing to God,that is only done by starting with faith, accepting his atoning sacrifice and receiveing the Holy Spirit that seals the deal.

We have faith in Jesus but he confirms our standing and position with him and the father by sealing the believer with the Holy Spirit which gives us so much more to enable us to live the christian life
Jhn 14:17[Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Rom 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Faith unlocks the door, but the Holy Spirit confirms to us that we are saved and declared rightoeus and just before a Holy God
It's not a question of whether one is good enough or better then someonelse ,but an issue of righteousness. There is no other way to stand before the Father than to have the righteousness that is only found in Christ
Our righteousness is only found in Jesus Christ

Christians say that God does not punish/reward based on how hard we tried to find truth or how honestly we searched for truth, yet they say that God will judge us based on whether or not we found it, this is just insane.

Why is that:
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel (good news)of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping thingsWherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

If Christianity is true, then Christians have not found truth, they have just had faith in a belief and that belief just HAPPENED to be true. If Christianity is true, then Christians got lucky.

Gal 3:11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith
Hbr 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Rom 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer, but Christians who believe that only they are going to heaven need to come up with one. I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer because - obviously as a non-Christian - I'm virtually 100% sure that there is not one.

The answer is Jesus,but apparently your not able to accept it.

I mean, if there is, then you will have to explain why almost all religious people born in the USA are [insert answer] and why all born in Saudi Arabia are not [insert answer]. Coincidence? Just how on earth can a just, loving, righteous God reward people for having a certain belief (based on FAITH), regardless of how they came to have that belief.

It's called "justification" every person who stands before a court of law without acception,requires the judge to justify them from the demands of the law and be freed,Christ ,alone has accomplished that.
Your standing before a judge,you seriously broke the law, the verdict is in ,"your guilty", the sentenced has been imposed, but out of no where,someone you don't even know steps up and says, "I will pay the price to free this man,I will take his place and serve his punishment,the law has been satisfied,justice is served....you either accept it,as it's already payed and you stand free....or you stand there and argue with the judge that it's not fair and that there must be another way, it's not that simple

God's law has been violated by all mankind, the verdict is in, guilty ,guilty, guilty, ...but,"justification" has been granted to you, your response should be to receive it and accept it if you want to be liberated, if not pay the price by refusing it.

Ive brought this up quite a few time with Christians and they either say that all religions will go to heaven, they don't know (which is fine), or they say that all Christians have obviously searched harder or done a better job at finding truth. Or of course, they just stop replying

You obviously have not asked it to every christian.
Not everyone who takes the Christian title are actual christians.

..the ball is in your court ,I am finished here, unless you have anything new to offer to this thread.

If your truly searching for truth of who God is and who he accepts or does'nt accept, you'll find it in Jesus Christ according to the word of God

 

[HoldemDB9]

roli you still have not answered my questions. You still have not told me how/why God will favour a Christian over a Muslim. You are still saying that your God punishes and rewards based on sheer luck and NOTHING else. Seriously, this is ridiculous. In your last post ALL of your replies had NOTHING to do with my comment/questions.

All you have to do is give me ONE SINGLE LITTLE THING that a Christian has done/is doing that will cause God to favour them over a Muslim or a Hindu, but you cant. You cannot give me just ONE thing. Yet you will continue to believe that God will favour all Christians over all non-Christians and you yourself do not even know why. If you want to continue the conversation then please re-respond to my last reply and actually answer the questions.

Please answer the these two questions that I asked ἀλήθεια:

1) Do you agree that someone who tried harder to find truth but is not a Christian, is in God eyes, better than a Christian who tried less?

2) Do you agree that such people exist?

 

[Reverend Rick]

It is not about being superior or better Holdem. Your stereotypes of Christians is growing old. I guess you believe if you say something over and over it makes you right.

 

[HoldemDB9]

It's called "justification" every person who stands before a court of law without acception,requires the judge to justify them from the demands of the law and be freed,Christ ,alone has accomplished that.
Your standing before a judge,you seriously broke the law, the verdict is in ,"your guilty", the sentenced has been imposed, but out of no where,someone you don't even know steps up and says, "I will pay the price to free this man,I will take his place and serve his punishment,the law has been satisfied,justice is served....you either accept it,as it's already payed and you stand free....or you stand there and argue with the judge that it's not fair and that there must be another way, it's not that simple

God's law has been violated by all mankind, the verdict is in, guilty ,guilty, guilty, ...but,"justification" has been granted to you, your response should be to receive it and accept it if you want to be liberated, if not pay the price by refusing it.

Pascals wager huh? It scares me to think that people actually respond like this, I don't even know where to start. roli there are other religions that are offering this, which one do I choose? What about someone who did their best to find truth but who did not accept the offer? What about someone who did not try at all to find truth, but who did accept the offer?

We are going in circles here. You can accept Jesus' offer but whether or not it actually exists, is NOTHING but sheer chance. By saying that God rewards those who accept Jesus, you are saying that God rewards based on pure chance. Unless of course - like I've asked 100 times - you can just give me ONE thing that will cause God to favour all who accept Jesus over all who do not accept.

Look at it from this perspective, I'm sure you will agree with me here. Imagine that when you die, you find out that Islam is in fact the true religion. God tells you that you are going to be punished simply because you refused the offer of Islam. He is going to reward millions of people who tried LESS than you to find truth ONLY because they accepted the offer of Islam. Do you feel like this God was being fair? This is EXACTLY how you are saying you God is.

 

[HoldemDB9]

It is not about being superior or better Holdem. Your stereotypes of Christians is growing old. I guess you believe if you say something over and over it makes you right.

It might not be to you, but to roli it is about being superior or better - otherwise how could God favour some over others? Anyway you don't even believe what roli believes - which is that only Christians go to heaven, so why try and argue for him?

 

[Reverend Rick]

It might not be to you, but to roli it is about being superior or better - otherwise how could God favour some over others? Anyway you don't even believe what roli believes - which is that only Christians go to heaven, so why try and argue for him?

I'm not arguing for roli, I'm just tired of you stereotyping all Christians into one narrow minded belief system.

The Lord said, Judgement is his and we have been told not to judge others and to treat our neighbors as we would yourself.

The Lord did not say treat your neighbor kindly unless they are a Muslim now did he?

It is not for us to try and figure out what our Lord and Saviour will do when it comes to other religions. You do realise we worship the same God right?