1. ISIS don't consider Arab leaders to be Muslims.
2. ISIS is a Wahhabi movement that rejects many of the Sunni doctrines.
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Why have Islamic nations been so easy to corrupt?
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2. ISIS is a Wahhabi movement that rejects many of the Sunni doctrines.
FearGod
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They are Sunni, not Muslims
they have created their own religion. Turkiye is watching their leader cadres and there are even Shia Iranian commanders in it. You cant even imagine what a nested game this is They are Sunni, not Muslims
As much as I hate ISIS, I must differ with you here. Yes they are Muslims whether we like it or not. Yes they committed heinous crimes but it is not up to us to claim whether they are Muslims or not
So if its not up to you to claim whether they are Muslim or not, why do you choose to define them as Muslims ? Or how you could distinguish a Muslim and a Kafir or non-Muslim person or Munafiq ?
So if its not up to you to claim whether they are Muslim or not, why do you choose to define them as Muslims ? Or how you could distinguish a Muslim and a Kafir or non-Muslim person or Munafiq ?
They say they believe in Allah and His prophet. Isn't that enough to be extremely careful when calling someone who believe in that "Not Muslim"?
Shadow Wolf
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Sunni is a denomination of Islam. That is like saying someone is not a Christian because they are Baptist. Sunni is also the biggest denomination in Islam. Shia is the other primary denomination of Islam.They are Sunni, not Muslims
gsa
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By "atheist regimes" you refer specifically to COMMUNIST regimes, and more specifically, Stalinist and Maoist ones.
But let’s be clear, there’s no "atheist regime" in the sense of a nonexistent doctrine motivating them. This does not make, for example, the US a "theistic regime" because of the presence of God language in the pledge or the writings of the founders, nor does it render any regime with a nominal established church a "theistic regime," such that "theism" as a proposition motivates the particular actions.
But even beyond the question of theism/atheism as the correct level of analysis versus Islam/Stalinism, we have a clear basis for the practices of Islamists in the Quran and the hadiths. We certainly do not have the same level of clarity in, for example, the writings of Karl Marx.
As far as feeling that the West is somehow intrusive, so what? I don’t disagree with opposition to the Iraq War or to military incursions generally, at least on the part of the people of Iraq themselves. But I do not believe in some sacrosanct "right to culture" that trumps the rights of women, gays, religious minorities, dissidents and nonbelievers.
This is one of the huge number of Sunni Hadiths prohibiting them from facing their dictators.
It's from 'Sahih Muslim' one of the two most authentic Sunni books after the Quran:
Hudhayfa ibn al-Yaman reported: I asked, “O Messenger of Allah, we were living in an evil time and Allah brought us good which we live in now. Will there be evil after this good?” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Yes.” I said, “And any good after this evil?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” I said, “And any evil after this good?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” I said, “How will it be?” The Prophet said, “Rulers after me will come who do not follow my guidance and my tradition (sunnah). Some of their men will have the hearts of devils in a human body.” I said, “O Messenger of Allah, what should I do if I live to see that time?” The Prophet said, “You should listen and obey them even if the ruler strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”
Source: Sahih Muslim 1847
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Sunnis
قَالَ حُذَيْفَةُ بْنُ الْيَمَانِ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنَّا كُنَّا بِشَرٍّ فَجَاءَ اللَّهُ بِخَيْرٍ فَنَحْنُ فِيهِ فَهَلْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ هَذَا الْخَيْرِ شَرٌّ قَالَ نَعَمْ قُلْتُ هَلْ وَرَاءَ ذَلِكَ الشَّرِّ خَيْرٌ قَالَ نَعَمْ قُلْتُ فَهَلْ وَرَاءَ ذَلِكَ الْخَيْرِ شَرٌّ قَالَنَعَمْ قُلْتُ كَيْفَ قَالَ يَكُونُ بَعْدِي أَئِمَّةٌ لَا يَهْتَدُونَ بِهُدَايَ وَلَا يَسْتَنُّونَ بِسُنَّتِي وَسَيَقُومُ فِيهِمْ رِجَالٌ قُلُوبُهُمْ قُلُوبُ الشَّيَاطِينِ فِي جُثْمَانِ إِنْسٍ قَالَ قُلْتُ كَيْفَ أَصْنَعُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَدْرَكْتُ ذَلِكَ قَالَتَسْمَعُ وَتُطِيعُ لِلْأَمِيرِ وَإِنْ ضُرِبَ ظَهْرُكَ وَأُخِذَ مَالُكَ فَاسْمَعْ وَأَطِعْ
1847 صحيح مسلم كِتَاب الْإِمَارَةِ نعم فقلت هل بعد ذلك الشر من خير قال نعم وفيه دخن قلت
It's from 'Sahih Muslim' one of the two most authentic Sunni books after the Quran:
Hudhayfa ibn al-Yaman reported: I asked, “O Messenger of Allah, we were living in an evil time and Allah brought us good which we live in now. Will there be evil after this good?” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Yes.” I said, “And any good after this evil?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” I said, “And any evil after this good?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” I said, “How will it be?” The Prophet said, “Rulers after me will come who do not follow my guidance and my tradition (sunnah). Some of their men will have the hearts of devils in a human body.” I said, “O Messenger of Allah, what should I do if I live to see that time?” The Prophet said, “You should listen and obey them even if the ruler strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”
Source: Sahih Muslim 1847
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Sunnis
قَالَ حُذَيْفَةُ بْنُ الْيَمَانِ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنَّا كُنَّا بِشَرٍّ فَجَاءَ اللَّهُ بِخَيْرٍ فَنَحْنُ فِيهِ فَهَلْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ هَذَا الْخَيْرِ شَرٌّ قَالَ نَعَمْ قُلْتُ هَلْ وَرَاءَ ذَلِكَ الشَّرِّ خَيْرٌ قَالَ نَعَمْ قُلْتُ فَهَلْ وَرَاءَ ذَلِكَ الْخَيْرِ شَرٌّ قَالَنَعَمْ قُلْتُ كَيْفَ قَالَ يَكُونُ بَعْدِي أَئِمَّةٌ لَا يَهْتَدُونَ بِهُدَايَ وَلَا يَسْتَنُّونَ بِسُنَّتِي وَسَيَقُومُ فِيهِمْ رِجَالٌ قُلُوبُهُمْ قُلُوبُ الشَّيَاطِينِ فِي جُثْمَانِ إِنْسٍ قَالَ قُلْتُ كَيْفَ أَصْنَعُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَدْرَكْتُ ذَلِكَ قَالَتَسْمَعُ وَتُطِيعُ لِلْأَمِيرِ وَإِنْ ضُرِبَ ظَهْرُكَ وَأُخِذَ مَالُكَ فَاسْمَعْ وَأَطِعْ
1847 صحيح مسلم كِتَاب الْإِمَارَةِ نعم فقلت هل بعد ذلك الشر من خير قال نعم وفيه دخن قلت
Who, along with their rich friends, organized and funded 9/11attacks. But who did the Bush administration decide to invade? Iraq!
Tom
Servant_of_the_One1
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Corruption in the muslim world cannot be blamed on the kuffar.
The blame on the kuffar is only their support for tyrannical regimes and their much hated method of forcing democrasy on the throats of muslims.
As for corruptions, that is to be blamed on the puppet leaders and the weak governance.
Al-Wahab is one of 99 names of Allah swt. I advise you not to use that.
ISIS is not a sect that follows salafus saalih. They are part of the Khawarij which we know from hadiths that they(Khawarij) are murtaddiin/apostates and their only medicine is by killing them.
The blame on the kuffar is only their support for tyrannical regimes and their much hated method of forcing democrasy on the throats of muslims.
As for corruptions, that is to be blamed on the puppet leaders and the weak governance.
Al-Wahab is one of 99 names of Allah swt. I advise you not to use that.
ISIS is not a sect that follows salafus saalih. They are part of the Khawarij which we know from hadiths that they(Khawarij) are murtaddiin/apostates and their only medicine is by killing them.
Yes you gave a nice example, Baptist are also not real Christians, there are no real Christians today, because they dont have their original book. There are books written long after prophet Jesus, written according to stories and been modified so many times. So Bible and Torah and Bukhari hadiths would be in the same category, they are not in the same category with Quran
Looncall
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Bah, humbug! The koran was edited and organized by rulers too, wasn't it? Mere muslim arrogance.Yes you gave a nice example, Baptist are also not real Christians, there are no real Christians today, because they dont have their original book. There are books written long after prophet Jesus, written according to stories and been modified so many times. So Bible and Torah and Bukhari hadiths would be in the same category, they are not in the same category with Quran
LoL you know there is no limits for conspiracy theories, imagination of humankind is fabulous
then why someones also didnot expunge the variants of Bible and Torah 