We don't know how the universe came into being. If it had something prior to the big bang. From whence was it created? From what was it created? Ect. Before we even get the basest of information on that we cannot assume that there "must have" been anything.
Now I have asked you the same question before. You ignored it. But then you ask me "who created that universe?" that this one may have come from. Perhaps the mulitverse is eternal. We have no idea. Maybe a multiverse doesn't exist. Perhaps it is so wonderful and crazy we can't imagine it. Its like asking a deaf person to imagine Beethoven. Or trying to have a blind person imagine a sunset. Even those comparisons fall short.
Though I'll ask you again, who created god?
Let us start by your question who created God.
If someone created God, then he is not God,for God doesn't need anyone to create him because he is the creator.
God doesn't need something to create the universe from. He just says be, and it is. But God makes order for everything so that we can reason, study, and deduce how things go around.
We can't know all the answers to our questions for God only shows us what we have to know in order to pass the test of this life.
I didn't mean to ignore the question but I thought that you got the answer when I told you about chapter 112
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
So God is not created. If God was created, this would not make him God.
Or that natural laws exist in the universe? That also seems to explain everything.
Natural laws don't just come. They require intelligence.
There are several fallacies with this argument.
1) That the boat came into being somehow randomly while nothing of the sort is actually stated in the science of the big bang theory or evolution.
2) We have observed a boat being crafted by mankind. We know the process. If suddenly something was created without that process it would throw us for a loop. Evolution has been observed and evidence provided to occur through a certain process. If animals started raining from the sky or simply "popping" into existence then we would probably not believe them. The core concept is not that there was a "creator" but that something is crafted by a certain process.
3) For us to assume something to be true we must know the variables in question. For example if I saw drawing on the wall in red crayon and I know that Suzy has a red crayon then that must mean that Suzy drew on the wall? correct? No. Because we have not established that Suzy is the ONLY one with a red crayon.
1-The argument is that although we know how to make a boat, we can't accept the fact that it can be made without a man taking the time to go with the process of making it. So even though the process is there (natural laws, or big bang theory), men are the ones who are making the process (creator). Processes can't be done alone.
2- Regardless if evolution were right or wrong, evolution fails to say how life began on earth. It just assumes a starting point to the process. It doesn't start from 0, it starts from 1. Now where did 1 come from?
3-I like your example. Processes,laws,physics and science because as we established, all these are controlled by someone. The process of making a boat is known, but it takes a man to come and make it.
Likewise we don't know the first thing about how universes are created. We don't know the process. We don't know what happened "before" time (thought that in itself is a paradox). So to say that it is an Omnipotent creator with a will and plan is quite a stretch.
About that, I don't want to repeat myself.
But evolution and multiverse theories don't solve the problem. For example evolution states that men came from apes so God didn't create men. But where did apes come from and who created them.
The multiverse (or meta-universe) is the hypothetical set of infinite or finite possible universes. Even this theory doesn't say that universe is infinite.
I don't think anyone can have a full answer to how the universe was created. Because no matter how much you learn, you will always have the question who created that and from where it came. Even if all the information was presented to you, you will still come to the point where something existed from nothing.
If you were presented with all the information in the world, and still say that God doesn't exist, you will still be in a problem.
God doesn't need "something" to create what he wants to create, because he creates whatever he wants from "nothing". He just says be, and it is. He is one, he doesn't require a creator, he's the only one in control.
This definition comes from the necessity of logic.
And then to go that much further and create the thread that assumes that not only is there a god with a plan that he has come down to create religions in the world and that ONE and JUST ONE of those religions got it exactly right seems a bit ludicrous. There are so many gaps that simply don't logically follow.
And what says that it wasn't the god of Hindu's or Shinto's? Who says any religion got it right? Deists could be correct and that some sort of omnipotent force created the universe but simply doesn't give a rats butt about us. Or there could be no god.
Let us first solve the problem of existence of God. Agree ?
