Why I think there is one right religion

[Nakosis]

Adam was referred to the son of God too. As a matter of fact there are sons of God in the tons. However some added the phrase " the only begotten son"

The Son of God, the Word of God. This is very old thinking. Before the tribes of Israel.

The Son spoke to Hermes the Trismegistus. The Son is the Word of Creation. The tetragrammaton.

This is the only begotten Son. Man often take the Son as the Father. Because the Son is approachable, the Father is not so man sometime mistakes the Son for the Father.

You can also think of the Son as the Creator but the Son was also created. We are part of what was created. We can't know the Father and remain within creation.

In Islam, we say that God had told us about him what we need to know. We know nothing about him except what he tells us about. So when saying to the son... What do you exactly mean by it ?

The Son provides structure to our universe. Most Prophets communicate with the Son.

All the messengers had revelations and inspirations from God.

The Son really, but the Son speaks for the Father. Prophets speak for the Son and through the Son, they speak for the Father.

I love the prophet Jesus peace be upon him more than I love my self. Same as for the other prophets. As a matter of fact anyone who doesn't believe in one of the prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him is not a muslim.

Love others as you love yourself I think was what he asked. Still it is good IMO to venerate the Prophets because then you will venerate their teachings. Which doesn't mean they are perfect. It just means they are important.

Depends on what you meant by "son"
Let me say that this verse from the Quraan explains something in the bible:
Mathew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Learn about the Tetragrammaton.

The verse in the Quraan I referred to explains the reason.

I just want to ask you about this. In Islam, the Quraan says that in every scripture, the name of the next messenger is mentioned so that you would follow him. In that sense, we believe that John 16:6-20

6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.[a]

Sorrow Will Turn to Joy

16 “A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father.”

17 Then some of His disciples said among themselves, “What is this that He says to us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18 They said therefore, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is saying.”

19 Now Jesus knew that they desired to ask Him, and He said to them, “Are you inquiring among yourselves about what I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20 Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy.

This for me is the Son. Not a physical being. It is perfectly acceptable to me that Muhammad spoke at times for the Father through the Son. However the Son is accessible to all men (and Women). Some just develop an unusually strong connection.

 

[viole]

If somebody came to kill you, do you think it is okay if you killed him? self defense?

Yes.

Is it okay to have alcohol?

Of course. I am Swede, lol.

Is it okay to have drugs?

Yes.

Is it okay to lie for a good reason?

No.

Now I can make a thousand question in the list. The set of answers you provide for these questions is your religion. They form your beliefs by which you live your life.

Yes, like any other set of questions.

Now before you give answers to these questions and adopt them in your life, it is your duty to search and see if God already handed you answers to these questions.

I searched. God told me that Vodka is OK. After all, it is a spirit, too.

And since religions have major differences, there is only one true religion. Just like 1+1=2 ... You only have once right answer. And let's not forget that there are MAJOR difference between religions in the worshiping aspect. Not only in the do and donts.

I am not sure what you mean. I do not worship anyone.

So its our duty to search for this true religion that God gave us, and I firmly believe that God didn't leave each one of us to live by his standards.

And what are the objective criteria we are supposed to use?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Sabour]

This is the only begotten Son. Man often take the Son as the Father. Because the Son is approachable, the Father is not so man sometime mistakes the Son for the Father.

112
1 Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
2 Allah , the Eternal Refuge
3 He neither begets nor is born,
4 Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

19:16-30

16 And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
17 And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
18 She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."
19He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."
20She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
21He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "
22So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
23And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."
24But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.
25And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates.
26So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' "
27 Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.
28O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
29So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"
30 [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.
31And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive
32 And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.
33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
34That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
35 It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

You can also think of the Son as the Creator but the Son was also created. We are part of what was created. We can't know the Father and remain within creation.

Jesus peace be upon him was a prophet. Not a begotten son. Even though that the bible is not the Injil, still no where it says that Jesus peace be upon him is a begotten son. They are all taken out of context.

 

[Sabour]

Speaking of that, you didn't answer my question about the Arabic word for 'software.'

If Arabic hasn't changed in 1400 years, how can you talk about computers and such?

What are the words for 'personal computer' and 'software' in Arabic?

Sorry I didn't notice the question.

Now I saw it.

When I said it wasn't hasn't changed I was referring to the Quraan in Arabic.

Computer in arabic is حاسوب . It originates from the verb حسب which means to compute or calculate.

Software is برنامج العقل الإلكتروني.
برنامج means program
العقل means mind
الإلكتروني which isn't "arabic". When you spell the word الإلكتروني, it is as if you are spelling electronic. Try it on google voice.

Likewise, a television in Arabic is تلفاز. It is also as if you are spelling television.

 

[Sabour]

And what are the objective criteria we are supposed to use?

First Thank you for answering the questions, but that wasn't my intention

Shall we start with the purpose for life ?

 

[Sabour]

He doesn't seem to understand the changes languages go through over hundreds of years, - or, he is just playing it that way!


People should go back and look at some of the first copies of the Bible - in English - LOL!


They will have a hard time reading and understanding the text.



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Feel free to teach me Arabic. Although its my native language but I think you know it better. Don't you?

About your comment of the bible, what do you say about adding and removing verses? Is that because of the English language ?

Thank you for mentioning the copies of the bibles. In Quraan we don't have copies. Quraan is the same Quraan.

 

[Sabour]

You very obviously have no understanding of my point at all. Whether that's due to a language barrier or not, I can't say. But you haven't addressed my point AT ALL with this response. This leads me to believe you have no idea what my point is. Not wasting time with you anymore.

Okay one last try, I think you knew what you were saying and I answered it.

You were saying that "Day and night would be more orderly if they each lasted the same amount of time as each other"

I talked about solstice event which says the Sun reaches its highest or lowest excursion relative to the celestial equator on the celestial sphere. The term solstice can also be used in a broader sense, as the date (day) when this occurs. The day of the solstice is either the longest day of the year (in summer) or the shortest day of the year (in winter) for any place outside of the tropics.We know these dates.

We can know their dates before they happen. How ? BEcause we study the motion and know when will they occur. This shows that there is order.

Who said that the only order is that day and night should be equal during the day?

You talked about orbits saying that they move in circles to be in order. Who said that? This is one form of order. If it isn't in place that doesn't mean that there is no order.

About the formation of rain I won't tell you the same process again. But there is order in it. The process I described explains how rain forms. This is the order.

Saying that the same amount of water should evaporate and same amount of rain should fall for it to be in order doesn't make sense.

 

[Nakosis]

112
1 Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
2 Allah , the Eternal Refuge
3 He neither begets nor is born,
4 Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

To begot means to cause. God caused the universe.

19:16-30

16 And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
17 And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
18 She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."
19He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."
20She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
21He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "
22So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
23And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."
24But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.
25And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates.
26So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' "
27 Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.
28O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
29So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"
30 [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.
31And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive
32 And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.
33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
34That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
35 It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.



Jesus peace be upon him was a prophet. Not a begotten son. Even though that the bible is not the Injil, still no where it says that Jesus peace be upon him is a begotten son. They are all taken out of context.

It is very subtle to understand. When Jesus refers to the Son in the Bible, who do you think he is referring to?

 

[Sabour]

It is very subtle to understand. When Jesus refers to the Son in the Bible, who do you think he is referring to?

The question is why are others also called son of God ?

Genesis 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Sorry I didn't notice the question.

Now I saw it.

When I said it wasn't hasn't changed I was referring to the Quraan in Arabic.

OK. So you agree that Arabic has changed since the Quran was written, but you believe that the Quran survives precisely as it came from the mouth of Muhammad?

If so, are you aware that a lot of people disagree?

 

[Sabour]

OK. So you agree that Arabic has changed since the Quran was written, but you believe that the Quran survives precisely as it came from the mouth of Muhammad?

Nope. I didn't say Arabic has changed. I said I was referring to the Quraan in my sentence.

And the words about the TV and the computer, I told you they are not Arabic. They are only pronounced using arabic letters. But the origin of the word is English.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Nope. I didn't say Arabic has changed. I said I was referring to the Quraan in my sentence.

Arabic has changed. Trust me.

And the words about the TV and the computer, I told you they are not Arabic. They are only pronounced using arabic letters. But the origin of the word is English.

If they are not Arabic words, then what word in Arabic is used to refer to the television?

 

[Ingledsva]

He doesn't seem to understand the changes languages go through over hundreds of years, - or, he is just playing it that way!


People should go back and look at some of the first copies of the Bible - in English - LOL!


They will have a hard time reading and understanding the text.

Feel free to teach me Arabic. Although its my native language but I think you know it better. Don't you?

About your comment of the bible, what do you say about adding and removing verses? Is that because of the English language ?

Thank you for mentioning the copies of the bibles. In Quraan we don't have copies. Quraan is the same Quraan.

LOL! You are being purposely obtuse.


In only a few hundred years the spellings, usage, and meaning of words change. Sometime the meaning of a word changes to a totally different meaning. Some words disappear forever. Colloquialisms are used that have no meaning to later readers, etc.


We are talking 1400 years! The idea that it is exactly the same, and that you could read it, is ridiculous!


That is a FACT!


You need to stop and think before you make these ridiculous posts.


I used the Bible as an example, because it is easy to find a facsimile of those several hundred year old texts on line.


The Qur'an is NOT the same Qur'an it was 1400 years ago. It has been translated over and over by people with evolving language. This has to happen - because as I pointed out - you today may not know, understand, or be able to read the ancient style of your own language.


This happens with all ancient religious texts.



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[illykitty]

If somebody came to kill you, do you think it is okay if you killed him? self defense?

I would rather inflict a wound that would permit me to get away and get the police to arrest them. If I happened to accidentally kill that person, it would still be a traumatising experience not only because of getting attacked but to take a life. I don't think life should be taken away so easily.

Is it okay to have alcohol?

Personally, I try to avoid it. My father's been addicted to nearly everything so I guess it's best if I don't. Sometimes I have moments of weakness though. I don't think drinking makes one a bad person or immoral but need to be careful. Some people can go from social drinkers to alcoholics.

Is it okay to have drugs?

I have bad experiences from my father taking drugs and not being in my life much. A lot of drugs are dangerous and extremely addicting... I've seen also many friends "innocently" go from mild ones to worse ones. Keep seeking more intense experiences. I'd rather stay as far away from it as possible.

Is it okay to lie for a good reason?

Well, it depends what this good reason is. To save someone is a good reason, for example.

No black and white answers but I strive to be on the cautious side.

 

[Sabour]

Arabic has changed. Trust me.

:no::no:

If they are not Arabic words, then what word in Arabic is used to refer to the television?

I searched that, No results for the television lol. They just say the word I told you. If they were to say it in arabic it would be like "the device which gives pictures and voice"

As for the pc it is حاسوب which originates from the word حسب which means to compute or calculate

 

[Sabour]

LOL! You are being purposely obtuse.


In only a few hundred years the spellings, usage, and meaning of words change. Sometime the meaning of a word changes to a totally different meaning. Some words disappear forever. Colloquialisms are used that have no meaning to later readers, etc.


We are talking 1400 years! The idea that it is exactly the same, and that you could read it, is ridiculous!


That is a FACT!


You need to stop and think before you make these ridiculous posts.


I used the Bible as an example, because it is easy to find a facsimile of those several hundred year old texts on line.


The Qur'an is NOT the same Qur'an it was 1400 years ago. It has been translated over and over by people with evolving language. This has to happen - because as I pointed out - you today may not know, understand, or be able to read the ancient style of your own language.


This happens with all ancient religious texts.



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I have talked with a lot of non muslims. None of which ever said that Quraan is not the same 1400 years ago.

Look clearly you think I am crazy. SO do me and yourself a favor and stop commenting.

If you have any question I will be more than happy to answer. But questions. Questions put in a proper way.

I hope you understand

 

[Sabour]

If somebody came to kill you, do you think it is okay if you killed him? self defense?

I would rather inflict a wound that would permit me to get away and get the police to arrest them. If I happened to accidentally kill that person, it would still be a traumatising experience not only because of getting attacked but to take a life. I don't think life should be taken away so easily.

Is it okay to have alcohol?

Personally, I try to avoid it. My father's been addicted to nearly everything so I guess it's best if I don't. Sometimes I have moments of weakness though. I don't think drinking makes one a bad person or immoral but need to be careful. Some people can go from social drinkers to alcoholics.

Is it okay to have drugs?

I have bad experiences from my father taking drugs and not being in my life much. A lot of drugs are dangerous and extremely addicting... I've seen also many friends "innocently" go from mild ones to worse ones. Keep seeking more intense experiences. I'd rather stay as far away from it as possible.

Is it okay to lie for a good reason?

Well, it depends what this good reason is. To save someone is a good reason, for example.

No black and white answers but I strive to be on the cautious side.

Well I am impressed with the answers. What about the remaining part of the thread ? That was my point of having the thread

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

:no::no:

Really, you don't know what you are talking about. Try reading about language a bit. Investigate.

I've studied language all my life, including linguistics at university. If you really believe that Arabic hasn't changed, you just have never looked into it.

Don't believe everything your parents and culture tell you. God can't want that.

 

[illykitty]

Well I am impressed with the answers. What about the remaining part of the thread ? That was my point of having the thread

Well it's 38 pages long so I'll have to look tomorrow, I'm going to bed soon.

But as there being one right religion, I don't know. At least many got some parts of what most would consider good behaviour. I don't know if one has the full package so to speak. I don't think it's an Abrahamic religion though but that's my opinion. Whatever works for you.

But I don't think you need religion to be good. Develop a lot of empathy and kindness. Think before acting. Golden rule... All of these can be done regardless of believing or not.

 

[Ingledsva]

I have talked with a lot of non muslims. None of which ever said that Quraan is not the same 1400 years ago.

Look clearly you think I am crazy. SO do me and yourself a favor and stop commenting.

If you have any question I will be more than happy to answer. But questions. Questions put in a proper way.

I hope you understand

This is a debate forum - I'm not going to stop countering your erroneous claims. Nor, I suspect, are any of the others.




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