How is it a "lifestyle?"
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Why is alternative living so controversial?
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Gehennaite
Active Member
rofl!
Polyamory? Child-free? Vegetarian? Atheist?
What is so wrong with doing something that doesn't affect another person?
It doesn't exactly harm anyone - but I'm only against the hypocrites under such labels (just as any other label).
Many times have I come across self-proclaimed vegetarians who couldn't last a day without that big ol' wob of flesh on their plate.
I've seen atheists making highly absurd claims, but then rip on non-atheists for absurd claims. At these moments, it seems some atheists will work as a pack and agree with each other on anything as they repeat the same arguments that are said every day and act like they're clever.
And as I do (not actively) support gay marriage & other rights, I'm not even joking when I say this: A lot of people, over the internet or even in my school a couple of times, pretend to be gay for recognition. It's just a little gnat in my ear when I begin to notice this recognition actually catching on to the liar.
A lot of activists or controversial groups I've met that supposedly support equality, actually act in such a way that show they want the unequal victims to actually get more rights than commoners.
I have nothing against these groups in general - I've met plenty of nice atheists, vegetarians, gays, etc. The ones who part in these groups who are more talk than do are the only ones I have a problem is.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Identity politics are the end of us all, hon. It's the actualization of that old Roman adage: Divide et impera (Divide and Rule!), sometimes translated as Divide and Conquer.
The way things have been going, I'm not one to challenge the idea that we all already ended due to identity politics.
People are tribal and novelty averse, particularly the authoritarian types whose paranoia exerts an undue influence on society.
Alien lifestyles or appearances are discomfiting, particularly if they seem to work. They make us think about our own lifestyles and appearances. They make us question them and the social mythology that underlies them. This can be very disrupting -- and threatening.
Alien lifestyles or appearances are discomfiting, particularly if they seem to work. They make us think about our own lifestyles and appearances. They make us question them and the social mythology that underlies them. This can be very disrupting -- and threatening.
Speaking of that, something similar just happened right now.
A lady commented "they look like racists, they could be up to something" or something along that line. Funny how they are against racists for their judging of personality simply by looks, yet they can judge a personality by looks just as well.
A lady commented "they look like racists, they could be up to something" or something along that line. Funny how they are against racists for their judging of personality simply by looks, yet they can judge a personality by looks just as well.
thiscloisteredconscience
New Member
Polyamory? Child-free? Vegetarian? Atheist?
What is so wrong with doing something that doesn't affect another person?
I'll start by saying that I am personally all for alternative lifestyle choices that don't cause harm to society or individuals. With that said, things like polyamory can get messy. If the government were to suddenly recognize polygamy/polyandry and people were free to take multiple legal spouses, there would be a lot of legal nightmares because our legal system is not set up to handle such complex relationships. If a spouse dies, who gets their pension? Their SSI? If one party chooses to divorce, can they divorce an individual spouse or do they have to divorce everyone in the relationship? If one party dies/divorces who gets custody of the kids? The biological parents is the easy answer, but if multiple spouses are recognized by the law then theoretically they should be able to enter into an adoption agreement as a group.
These are just some ideas I have about how that could affect others, although I don't think those are likely reasons for a government to ban such a practice. The religious majority (or at least the religious majority of those in power) are likely to enact legislation that caters to their own worldview.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Just stay aware that is what they are. Identity politics are a means to divide the polis.
I guess you'd prefer if the Civil Rights movement never happened, huh? Women shouldn't have any of the rights they gained in the 20th century and gays need to stay in the closet, right?
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
And how did you come to that conclusion?
Because all that came about from "identity politics".
kashmir
Well-Known Member
Why is it that some here demand everyone else take on their views but refuse to accept the views of everyone that has a different view?
I think people just like to argue.
In every one of these threads, some here continue to argue with me after I left, telling me they are trying to lure me back in.
In the last thread, I said I was done, but someone posted something new that I wished to address and then I left, there is a whole page of some behaving like children trying to lure me back in.
Too funny indeed.
Of course some here just like to argue.
Back to the topic....
It's sort of like George Carlin said:
"live and let live"...."if you disagree with that, we get to take you out back and kill you"
Just because I have a different perspective, means nothing, but some here try to twist it to make it like I want to stop other lifestyles that I disagree with.
What part of I do not have to accept everything in this world and those who claim I do, are the ones wrong, don't people understand?
About the law, if there is ever a law coming into existence to allow others to have multiple spouses, I will vote no.
Ten bucks says I will be shunned for that, as if my views do not matter.
It's my planet too and my views DO matter
I think people just like to argue.
In every one of these threads, some here continue to argue with me after I left, telling me they are trying to lure me back in.
In the last thread, I said I was done, but someone posted something new that I wished to address and then I left, there is a whole page of some behaving like children trying to lure me back in.
Too funny indeed.
Of course some here just like to argue.
Back to the topic....
It's sort of like George Carlin said:
"live and let live"...."if you disagree with that, we get to take you out back and kill you"
Just because I have a different perspective, means nothing, but some here try to twist it to make it like I want to stop other lifestyles that I disagree with.
What part of I do not have to accept everything in this world and those who claim I do, are the ones wrong, don't people understand?
About the law, if there is ever a law coming into existence to allow others to have multiple spouses, I will vote no.
Ten bucks says I will be shunned for that, as if my views do not matter.
It's my planet too and my views DO matter
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CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
The politic of inclusion are not identity politics. As a feminist, I want equality for both genders not one ruling it over the other. As a PoC I don't fight for my group to superior over another, I want all to be equal. I am not gay but I certainly do believe that those who are deserve equal protection under the law. I do not view feminism as identity politics, I view it as the facts of life, all need to be equally protected. I view identity politics as the politics of narcissism, it is all about us vs. them. It is about wanting unwarranted privilege in spite of the whole of the polis. It is about "me...me...and more me" rather than what is good for everyone. I firmly believe like they say in Star Trek "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few"
Nymphs
Well-Known Member
Nymphs
Well-Known Member
Feminism, LGBT rights, rights for ethnic minorities, etc. are all identity politics. Identity politics is just when a group of people get together on the basis of some shared identity to campaign for something in their favor. It has nothing to do with wanting to have "more" rights than anyone. I don't know where you're pulling that nonsense from.
Identity Politics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
So you're shooting yourself in the foot by bashing identity politics.
Nymphs
Well-Known Member
No one here is claiming that, at all. You will need to provide proof (please quote where someone in this thread said that).
The word is debate, and of course I do.
They are addressing the points that you made, for their sake as well as others.
No one is doing that but you.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
I do not think this is a thread to discuss this in. I do not believe feminism is about identity politics at all, since it is about equality for all. If you want to discuss it then create another thread.
Then you've made up your own personal idea of what identity politics is. Because what you're saying isn't the normal definition of it.
And if you didn't want to discuss it, you shouldn't have started ranting about it.