Why is being gay considered wrong?

[Ori]

if God is all there is then God must be gays and if God has all power he would put a stop to the people being gay.

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He has stopped it in the past, Soddom and Gomorrah, and he will again.[/QUOTE]
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: There goes that Christian forgiveness :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

 

[Mike182]

He has stopped it in the past, Soddom and Gomorrah, and he will again.

well, lets look at the context in which god destroyed soddom and gomorrah

they were all gay or lesbian, given

it is highly likely that they were all sleeping around though, and not monogomous

therefor i dismiss this as it is not relevant to todays loving and monogomous homosexuals



ardent listner

your comment on one of them getting a sex change

for now i will laugh at it but if you are serious then we shall discuss it

C_P

 

[joeboonda]

In old testament times, for the Jews, the punishment was death. In the new testament it is still listed as a sin, we all sin, I dont wanna pick on one sin, I just wanna lead ppl to the one who forgives all sin. PEACE!

 

[Jaymes]

" He has stopped it in the past, Soddom and Gomorrah, and he will again."

Yea, good job of stopping it he did... just look at San Fran.

Really, now, where's the righteous wrath? I want fire and brimstone! The far right has promised me fire and brimstone if gays were to be able to marry, and Massachussetts is still there, along with the Netherlands, Spain, and England. What gives?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Hey, guys! Just a reminder- It may be easy to list Sodom and Gomorrah as a reason to try to justify thinking gay people are wrong (hey, that used to be my knee-jerk reaction, myself) but, if I remember correctly, the reason that the place was razed was because they attempted to rape an angel. (Of which Lot offered his daughter in place of... Ugh.) If you're going to use stories from the bible to say why you think being gay is wrong, please be sure that they actually are referring to this. Otherwise, you're simply fanning the flames of hatred.

 

[pdoel]

In old testament times, for the Jews, the punishment was death. In the new testament it is still listed as a sin, we all sin, I dont wanna pick on one sin, I just wanna lead ppl to the one who forgives all sin. PEACE!

AMEN! Frubals to you!!!

 

[michel]

if God is all there is then God must be gays and if God has all power he would put a stop to the people being gay.

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He has stopped it in the past, Soddom and Gomorrah, and he will again.[/QUOTE]
Sorry JoeBoonda,
Are you really saying that you believe God is gay ? - I can't believe that that is what you are saying that, but your next sentence reads "and if God has all power he would put a stop to the people being gay"

Why do you think he would do that?

 

[Ulver]

He has stopped it in the past, Soddom and Gomorrah, and he will again.

So much for hating the sin and loving the sinner.

I feel like punching you, but I won't , even though we're in the same state. I bet you might be on an emotional high from all this stuff that went down in nashville yesterday.

 

[Bastet]

That actually is understandable. It has been explained that psychologically, a man understands loving a woman, so the idea of a woman loving another woman is much more acceptable that that of two men together.

My mother said this very thing to me when I came out to her. She could understand what men see in other men, because she knows what she sees in them...but she couldn't understand what women see in other women (or what men see in women, for that matter).

'Normal' is very relative indeed; you might point out to our friend that, from your point of view of normality, and from the point of all of your kind, he is the one who is abnormal.

Oh, I don't think he's abnormal; just different to me. But that's ok - if everyone were the same, things would be pretty boring.

...I have some dangly bits for sale, I have 'done' with them, besides, I think they look pretty silly..............

Uh, I think you can hang onto those, michel...so to speak.

 

[nonda]

So it's a matter of belief? If that's the case, why is one belief supposed to be right, and the other wrong?

Not right or wrong, I ,me,myself, believe that it is impossible to be born gay never said that it was right or wrong!!!!

 

[Sunstone]

...I ,me,myself, believe that it is impossible to be born gay...

On what basis do you believe it's impossible to be born gay, Nonda? Is this a hunch of yours, or do you have some science to back up your views?

 

[Mike182]

Not right or wrong, I ,me,myself, believe that it is impossible to be born gay never said that it was right or wrong!!!!

thats a debate in itself, are people born gay or not

although i dont think people are, i dotn believe peopel becoem gay through some sort of trauma in early life - i know people who have gone through a lot of trauma who are not gay, i have not gone through any serious trauma and am gay

C_P

 

[Mike182]

On what basis do you believe it's impossible to be born gay, Nonda? Is this a hunch of yours, or do you have some science to back up your views?

science has ultimatley failed to comeup with any solid evidence to support any claim about the origins of homosexuality

C_P

 

[nonda]

On what basis do you believe it's impossible to be born gay, Nonda? Is this a hunch of yours, or do you have some science to back up your views?

Sure thing let me elaborate, I am merely pointing this out as MY OPINON. Not to offend imperceptive ones!!! Humans are not born with sexual instincts. Human bodies have to reach the age a puberty to develop sexual perferrence! Sigmund Freud proven this fact! And to those who said that he was not a man of science, he indeed was he was a doctor of medicine.

 

[Sunstone]

Isn't Freudian "science" a bit out of date? I don't know of any scientists who are Freudians today, but I hear that Freud is still pretty popular in English Departments.

 

[Pah]

Sure thing let me elaborate, I am merely pointing this out as MY OPINON. Not to offend imperceptive ones!!! Humans are not born with sexual instincts. Human bodies have to reach the age a puberty to develop sexual perferrence! Sigmund Freud proven this fact! And to those who said that he was not a man of science, he indeed was he was a doctor of medicine.

Orientation can develop at early as one year old but does require the establishment of gender identity. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3488

 

[michel]

Just a very short extract from "How we should study failure at school", which argues Freud's contribution, among others is 'ontological maze peopled by absurd homunculi'​

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http://www.leeds.ac.uk/educol/documents/00001579.htm​

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Paper presented at the European Conference on Educational Research, Edinburgh, 20-23 September 2000​

None of this is to deny the particular and specific insights which may come from particular kinds of theory and which may be used as thinking tools in considering particular problems which arise out of children's reluctance to learn. It is the seeking of form, in Marx, Freud, the Frankfurt School or wherever, which is of concern - and this is important when we are looking to explain the history of special education, since the grand theory postulated by the grand theorists has been highly influential. Even to the present day, notions of emotional disturbance dominate explanations of behaviour difficulty and these rely for their legitimacy on a Freudian ontology, even if that ontology is, as Crews (1997: 298) has put it, an 'ontological maze peopled by absurd homunculi'. Even with, as Rorty (1998: 76) puts it, a 'partial substitution of Freud for Marx as a source of social theory', there remains the seemingly willing dependence on the structure of a theory or what Dewey (1982: 187) called the 'logic of general notions under which specific situations are to be brought'. Dewey asserted that instead of these general notions ... 'What we want is light upon this or that group of individuals, this or that concrete human being, this or that special institution or social arrangement'.

 

[Valjean]

Slightly changing the maternal hormone balance during early pregnancy will reliably produce homosexual sheep.

It's hard to make a "nurture" case for this phenomenon.

 

[IndigoChild]

....If they sleep around or practise any other risky behaviour. (but I'm done with this thread)

It's also passed on by blood transfer, kids get it if their parents have it when the kids are in the womb, and one does not have to be "loose" to get it.

Kat

 

[IndigoChild]

Here's a question for the anti's here: Is it homosexuality if two hermaphrodites marry each other? What if a man or woman marries a hermaphrodite?

Kat