sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I thought that Genesis portrayed God as looking at creation and proclaiming it "good." No. We made ourselves sinful. Sorry. Not contra-Biblical.
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Why is homosexuality a sin
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I thought that Genesis portrayed God as looking at creation and proclaiming it "good." No. We made ourselves sinful. Sorry. Not contra-Biblical.
gnomon
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Wow! Thanks for the information, gnomon.
gnomon
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There are two creation stories in the Bible. In neither do I find any support that God made man sinful.
Phil Lawton
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Try telling my wife that. I insist that I'm the one who wears the pants in our family, but I will admit that they're pink and fluffy.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But we are all perfectly made. How does that apply to us? Because we're all made good. Then we sin. It's our decision.
gnomon
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yes it is. Gen I is from the Elohist source (if you buy that) and refers to God in one certain way. God has a certain personality and the story has a particular construction. Gen. 2 is from the yahwist source and refers to God in another certain way. God has another certain personality (more anthropomorphic) and the story has a different particular construction. By all accounts, that represents two creation stories.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I read them and there are different plots with different constructs. Hence, two stories. "Different story" in no way implies that the events contradict each other.
Shadow Wolf
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I'll pass, and continue living my sinful life.
I've read the Bible, and I know what it says. I reject it, and I care nothing for it's words or characters.
I do not see why people have to be rude and intolerant towards homosexuals. Even if the Bible condemns it, that doesn't mean you have to make there lives difficult.
nicholashilliard
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wow, im amazed how every issue on these forums come down to evolution. and it foulish because it isnt even a correct veiw of evolution. evolution doesnt change acoording to its circumstance for i.e. like a post on here that states homosexuality is an evolutionary process that balances out the human race due to mal-nourishment. thats not what evolution is. evolution is when a bird's beak mutates causing it to more efficiently able to eat making more time for reproduction causing more of the same beak. the bird didnt evolve because it needed to survive. it survived because it happened to evolve. stop believing everything youve heard. dont listen to false pretenses and lies. thats ignorance. your ignorant.
nicholashilliard
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I do not see why people have to be rude and intolerant towards homosexuals. Even if the Bible condemns it, that doesn't mean you have to make there lives difficult.[/QUOTE]
completely true, dont let the actions of many people that think they know affect your decisions in life. dont be a victim of circumstance. the bible says love the sinner. hate the sin. unfortunately, so called christians today do not know there bible or completely understand it and falsely believe pretenses or lies theyve been taught. or believe something out of fear and not out of love.
completely true, dont let the actions of many people that think they know affect your decisions in life. dont be a victim of circumstance. the bible says love the sinner. hate the sin. unfortunately, so called christians today do not know there bible or completely understand it and falsely believe pretenses or lies theyve been taught. or believe something out of fear and not out of love.
nicholashilliard
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dont be so ignorant.
gnomon
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Leviticus 20:13. No matter how it is interpreted by modern Jews and Christians, the passage is quite clear as to what the Bible states about Homosexuals. Put them to death.
An outsider can only question that if modern Christians feel they can reject so many tenets laid out in Leviticus, which includes putting people to death for a number of things or declaring some other activities to be punished with infertility (biologicaly false these days) why is it that so many retain that homosexuality is a sin when it is taken from the same book of other iniquities they ignore and state no longer applies since Jesus.
I've long believed that bias towards homosexuality has become an ingrained cultural belief beyond religion. I've known far too many people who did not like homosexuals but were not religious in any sense. I think archaic Biblical passages are used in a case of confirmation bias.
By what you just said, we could say the same about heterosexuality.
Leviticus 20:13. No matter how it is interpreted by modern Jews and Christians, the passage is quite clear as to what the Bible states about Homosexuals. Put them to death.
An outsider can only question that if modern Christians feel they can reject so many tenets laid out in Leviticus, which includes putting people to death for a number of things or declaring some other activities to be punished with infertility (biologicaly false these days) why is it that so many retain that homosexuality is a sin when it is taken from the same book of other iniquities they ignore and state no longer applies since Jesus.
I've long believed that bias towards homosexuality has become an ingrained cultural belief beyond religion. I've known far too many people who did not like homosexuals but were not religious in any sense. I think archaic Biblical passages are used in a case of confirmation bias.
The Leviticus reference can only be used with confidence because homosexuality being a sin is also confirmed in the NT at the completion of the law. I think it's better, to avoid confusion, if we just use the NT references, but the OT references are equally valid since they are confirmed by the NT law. Again, the punishments from Leviticus were for the Jews in the BC era. They were not universal laws for all people at all times. Context, context.
I don't see why threads like these are necessary. As a Christian, I sympathise with the plight of the Gay person. I see no need in bringing up issues that are this polarised. I personally do not have a problem with the Gay community. I have no problem with spending time with Gay people. I took a Gay person skiing on my boat with a group of people this Saturday and bought him lunch.
What I have a problem with is threads that are started wanting to challenge what the bible says about the Gay lifestyle. I think the Bible is pretty clear about this issue.
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