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Why is it Important to Love Who You Sleep With?

Smoke

Done here.
This disconnection of sex and romance astounds me (not in an incredibly bad way).
Wait till you've been married two years. Not that all the romance necessarily goes out of a marriage, but most people just can't be passionate all the time over a long period of time.
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
No, I didn't want to be in a committed relationship with him, and vice versa. Since we clarified that at the start, it wasn't awkward.
But if you didn't want a commited relationship, what was the sex for? Is this going back to the whole "sex for fun" concept?
Oh dear! You weren't by any chance exposed to an "Abstinence education" program, were you?
It's the only sex education they offer...
I found it rather annoying. I mean really, I was thinking something along the lines of I ALREADY LEARNED IN CHURCH NOT TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME AGAIN IN SCHOOL. I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO HAVE SEX AND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE, NOT REHEARSE STUFF I ALREADY KNOW!"
Don't worry, condom packages come with instructions. Guys don't put them on until they're ready to go, and it only takes a second. There's not much "spoiling".
But what I'm trying to ask is, wouldn't he snap out of it while he was putting on the condom? If he's able to think clearly enough to get a condom out, wouldn't he be able to think clearly enough to realize that he's about to have sex with someone he wasn't planning on having sex with?
Or, look at it this way, would you rather suffer a few seconds of "spoiled moment", or a few weeks - or a lifetime - of "spoiled genitals"? Or rather be a dad because you couldn't be bothered to wear a condom?
People can't think clearly while they're being intimate. I mean really, I get all dazed and start feeling real fuzzy and good inside just hugging a girl, I can't imagine how I'd be able to think straight in a real sexual enounter.
Painful? What have you been reading?
Well, the books I've read talk about stuff like blood rushing to the pelvis, muscles tightening (particularly around the pelvis), feeling hot and sweaty, heart pounding... doesn't exactly sound fun.

By the way, Acleste, aren't you married? What did your husband have to say about your casual sex experience (or did you not meet him until later?)?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
But if you didn't want a commited relationship, what was the sex for?

The sex was for sex. It was fun, AND it was affectionate and romantic.

It's the only sex education they offer...
I found it rather annoying. I mean really, I was thinking something along the lines of I ALREADY LEARNED IN CHURCH NOT TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME AGAIN IN SCHOOL. I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO HAVE SEX AND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE, NOT REHEARSE STUFF I ALREADY KNOW!"

Yeah, that's a real shame. It pretty much means that everything you learned about birth control and sex in your sex ed class was probably a bald-faced lie. Sorry to hear your teachers wasted your time.

Have a look at this web site: Sex, Etc. -- Sex Education by Teens, for Teens

It's by and for teens, and it goes out of its way to provide the accurate, factual, comprehensive information that is missing from abstinence programs. They have a forum for discussion as well. :)

But what I'm trying to ask is, wouldn't he snap out of it while he was putting on the condom?

Snap out of what? Wanting to have sex? No way. I have never met a guy in my life who would rather not have sex at all than have sex with a condom.

If he's able to think clearly enough to get a condom out, wouldn't he be able to think clearly enough to realize that he's about to have sex with someone he wasn't planning on having sex with?

People don't have sex because they're not thinking clearly. They have sex because they want to. Either party at any time can decide they'd rather not go any further - for all kinds of reasons.

People can't think clearly while they're being intimate. I mean really, I get all dazed and start feeling real fuzzy and good inside just hugging a girl, I can't imagine how I'd be able to think straight in a real sexual enounter.Well, the books I've read talk about stuff like blood rushing to the pelvis, muscles tightening (particularly around the pelvis), feeling hot and sweaty, heart pounding... doesn't exactly sound fun.

Let me put it another way - it's pretty intense, and sometimes gets confusing, but you don't COMPLETELY lose your ability to be mindful of the consequences. You can be dizzy and weak in the knees and still remember you don't want to get an STD, and you don't want to make anybody pregnant. (Although the influence of alcohol can and does reduce your ability to be mindful of the consequences).

By the way, Acleste, aren't you married? What did your husband have to say about your casual sex experience (or did you not meet him until later?)?

I'm not married. My man is not religious, so he doesn't have any issues about sex before marriage. I had lots of experiences with other people before I met him, and he doesn't mind. He was off doing the same thing himself. There are some advantages to being with a sexually experienced person, but those aren't PG either.
 
Assuming it's important to love whoever you sleep with, why is it important to love whoever you sleep with? What makes it important? What are the consequences of having sex with someone you love compared to the consequences of having sex with someone you don't love?

It is the very GOAL OF LIFE to become a more loving person, and that means becoming more loving than you are naturally. Now naturally, people tend to love or more easily love someone they have sex with, but when you keep having casual sex and/or viewing women as pieces of meat rather than as persons, then you become less loving than you were naturally. You may become callous, in which case it may be more difficult for you to have a loving and committed relationship which includes sex but is so much more than that.
 
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's also detrimental to your perspective, viewing women as pieces of meat instead of persons. So after a while, you may become callous.

Are you suggesting that anyone who sleeps with someone they are not in love with regards the person they sleep with as a piece of meat?
 

Smoke

Done here.
when you keep having casual sex and/or viewing women as pieces of meat rather than as persons, then you become less loving than you were naturally. You may become callous, in which case it may be more difficult for you to have a loving and committed relationship which includes sex but is so much more than that.
That may have been your experience, but it hasn't been mine at all.
 

Smoke

Done here.
Are you suggesting that anyone who sleeps with someone they are not in love with regards the person they sleep with as a piece of meat?
And if so, wouldn't it be easier to simply have sex with a piece of meat? I mean, you wouldn't have to charm it, buy it drinks, or even talk to it. ;)

As an Irish acquaintance of mine used to say, "A sheep is better than a woman. You don't have to talk to a sheep."
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
The sex was for sex.
But why? You didn't want children, you didn't want commitment, what did you want? Just fun? Is sex really that good?
Snap out of what? Wanting to have sex? No way. I have never met a guy in my life who would rather not have sex at all than have sex with a condom.
Yes, snap out of wanting to have sex. If I'm understanding her post correctly, the sexual encounter was completely spontaneous and accidental. They didn't want to have sex, but their hormones made them and afterwards they didn't regret it, or at least, that's what I figured from the way it was stated.
People don't have sex because they're not thinking clearly. They have sex because they want to. Either party at any time can decide they'd rather not go any further - for all kinds of reasons.
I thought people had sex because their hormones forced them to... sort of like how my hormones force me to have crushes on girls and try to ask them out.
I'm not married. My man is not religious, so he doesn't have any issues about sex before marriage.
Really? I could have sworn I remembered you talking in another thread about how you met this wonderful man in a Taoist forum and ended up marrying him...
 
That may have been your experience, but it hasn't been mine at all.

I said "may," and I would furthermore add that it would be the natural tendency or consequence. Now the resiliency of the soul and the grace of God is such that even prostitutes may be able to eventually have a loving relationship (but it's certainly not recommended as beneficial emotionally!) But it's "in spite of" not "because of" everything that happened before.
 
And if so, wouldn't it be easier to simply have sex with a piece of meat? I mean, you wouldn't have to charm it, buy it drinks, or even talk to it. ;)

As an Irish acquaintance of mine used to say, "A sheep is better than a woman. You don't have to talk to a sheep."

There are also anatomically-correct dolls for those who are inclined.
 

Smoke

Done here.
If I'm understanding her post correctly, the sexual encounter was completely spontaneous and accidental.
Spontaneous and accidental are not the same thing. In fact, having sex accidentally is among the rarest of accidents. Even if you trip and fall thousands of times, you're unlikely to land just right.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
It is the very GOAL OF LIFE to become a more loving person, and that means becoming more loving than you are naturally. Now naturally, people tend to love or more easily love someone they have sex with, but when you keep having casual sex and/or viewing women as pieces of meat rather than as persons, then you become less loving than you were naturally. You may become callous, in which case it may be more difficult for you to have a loving and committed relationship which includes sex but is so much more than that.

Hm - I have to disagree. I keep having casual sex because of my exceptionally loving nature. In fact, I still have casual sex all the time - in my loving and committed relationship. (Which includes casual sex but is so much more than that.)
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Spontaneous and accidental are not the same thing. In fact, having sex accidentally is among the rarest of accidents. Even if you trip and fall thousands of times, you're unlikely to land just right.

:spit: You're on a roll tonight! That was some good Guinness you just made me dribble out my nose.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
But why? You didn't want children, you didn't want commitment, what did you want? Just fun? Is sex really that good?

Let me put it this way, if your choices for fun things to do with a person you are attracted to are: read a book, watch TV, go for a walk, talk about philosophy, listen to jazz records, or have sex, sex is definitely the most fun out of all those choices.

Yes, snap out of wanting to have sex. If I'm understanding her post correctly, the sexual encounter was completely spontaneous and accidental. They didn't want to have sex, but their hormones made them and afterwards they didn't regret it, or at least, that's what I figured from the way it was stated.I thought people had sex because their hormones forced them to... sort of like how my hormones force me to have crushes on girls and try to ask them out.

Ah, well your hormones are responsible for all your feelings of sexual attraction, but your brain is responsible for what you decide to do with those feelings. Your brain is always going to win in the end, even though if you do something (or catch something) you regret later you might rewrite history to try to make yourself believe you had no choice.

Really? I could have sworn I remembered you talking in another thread about how you met this wonderful man in a Taoist forum and ended up marrying him...

All true, except I'm not married. I have what's called a "common-law spouse". Formerly known as "living in sin".
 
Hm - I have to disagree. I keep having casual sex because of my exceptionally loving nature. In fact, I still have casual sex all the time - in my loving and committed relationship. (Which includes casual sex but is so much more than that.)

What I meant by "casual sex" was with someone you hardly know and/or don't love as opposed to someone you're married to or in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with.
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
All true, except I'm not married. I have what's called a "common-law spouse". Formerly known as "living in sin".
Weren't ALL marriages like that before the government tried to secularize marriage?

And holy moley, I just noticed the big conversation between The Middle and Smoke that took place while I was typing XD. Hai Middle, welcome to RF.
 
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