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Why is there no Prophet of our time?

ladybug77

Active Member
According to the wiki article, "The goals of the organization included trying to eliminate superstition, prejudice, and the Roman Catholic Church's domination over government, philosophy, and science; trying to reduce oppressive state abuses of power, and trying to support the education and treatment of women as intellectual equals."

I can subscribe to all of that (except delete Roman Catholic Church, and substitute organized religion). And I am a Bahai. So ladybug's case is proved. :eek: Moreover the enemy of the Illuminati was despotism: the illuminati were shut down by Karl Theodor. Bahais also stand against despotism and for democracy and consultation with the people. Baha'u'llah wrote to Queen Victoria:



One issue I see between Bahais and the 18th century illuminati is that they were a secret society, which is understandable given that the risk they ran in trying to get a bit of openness in a closed authoritarian society. That is, I do not think they were trying to create a society run by a secret elite, they were in a society run by an elite and were trying to change that. Bahais in Iran do not put their membership lists on the internet either!

A second issue is that the illuminati had grades of membership and a hierarchy, whereas the internal structure of the Bahai community mirrors what we would like to see in society: egalitarian, with elected Assemblies making decisions that affect the community, and plenty of room for individual initiative. But this is not how the Bahai community was run in its early years, as a persecuted group. It took time to develop, and it requires an open society to really flourish (there is no Bahai Administration among the Bahais of Iran for example: you can't have elections without membership lists).

There is a virtual industry of anti-illuminationist propaganda, often quite absurd (especially as the illuminati were shut down in 1785). I wonder whose interests are being served by that? A population that fears an invisible threat is more ready to accept the people who (1) create the idea of a threat and (2) make themselves the saviors fighting that threat. I am very suspicious of these supposed "exposers" of hidden hands and secret societies which, being hidden and secret, can never be proved but can be suspected everywhere. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Is there a conspiracy behind the conspiracy theory industry? I bet I could find suggestive evidence at least that some conspiracy theorists had connections with other conspiracy theorists. Shock. Horror. :eek: Now buy my book.

The illuminati was not shut down. Its probably unsafe to even talk about it here! Eek!
But on a different note....where did Baha'i come from, originate? Like what country? Im only curious because i believe in giving all relitions i dont call my own, at least respect and time for understanding.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Wrong. The Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit. John 16 - RSV - Online Bible Study

And you ignored all other indications that, this Spirit of Truth would appear as a Human who hears and Speaks, and declares the Truth, that is the return of Christ.
Is not Christ and Holy Spirit One?
Surely Yes.
If Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and Christ and Holy Spirit are One, then The Spirit of Truth is Christ, that was to come to guide us to all Truth.

And the reason we don't need a Prophet now, is because Baha'u'llah, who is the Spirit of Truth has come, and His teachings are sufficient for at least 1000 years. So, No Revelation is needed and no Prophet at this time.

" Verily, He Who is the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth. He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. "
- Baha'u'llah, Tablet to the Christians

Bahá'í Reference Library - Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 9-17
 

Sen McGlinn

Member
The illuminati was not shut down. Its probably unsafe to even talk about it here! Eek!
But on a different note....where did Baha'i come from, originate? Like what country?

Bahai comes from Iran, which was called Persia in those days, beginning in the 19th century. The founder, Baha'u'llah was exiled to Ottoman-ruled Baghdad, then to Istanbul, Edirne, and finally to Akka in what was then the province of Palestine (that part is now Israel). So the Bahai world center is in Israel. Bahai spread to Europe and North America about 1900, and to Russian territories and India 2 or 3 decades earlier. Today you can find Bahais just about everywhere. Check behind the couch, that's a favourite spot.

~ Sen
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
And you ignored all other indications that, this Spirit of Truth would appear as a Human who hears and Speaks, and declares the Truth, that is the return of Christ.
Is not Christ and Holy Spirit One?
Surely Yes.
If Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and Christ and Holy Spirit are One, then The Spirit of Truth is Christ, that was to come to guide us to all Truth.

And the reason we don't need a Prophet now, is because Baha'u'llah, who is the Spirit of Truth has come, and His teachings are sufficient for at least 1000 years. So, No Revelation is needed and no Prophet at this time.

" Verily, He Who is the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth. He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. "
- Baha'u'llah, Tablet to the Christians

Bahá'í Reference Library - Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 9-17

No, Christ is not the Holy Spirit. He sends the Holy Spirit to His disciples. They are both God, but not the same Persons. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father and neither are the Holy Spirit.

Prophecy never ended. God still talks to people and reveals things to them but since we've living after the age of public revelation, it's not binding on us to believe these new revelations.
 

arthra

Baha'i
The illuminati was not shut down. Its probably unsafe to even talk about it here! Eek!
But on a different note....where did Baha'i come from, originate? Like what country? Im only curious because i believe in giving all relitions i dont call my own, at least respect and time for understanding.

I think that's very commendable of you ladybug!

As Sen mentioned above the Baha'i Faith originated in Persia in the mid nineteenth century. We actually have a calendar that begins in 1844 CE or 1260 AH in the Muslim calendar. It began with the Declaration of the Bab on May 22-23 1844 in Shiraz and was later supplemented by Baha'u'llah Who was promised by the Bab. So we count two prophets of God for this day. We call Them "Manifestations of God".

Baha'u'llah later addressed messages to the ruling powers of His day counseling them to reduce taxes for armaments, establish a representative world parliament and an international court of arbitration, reduce the extremes of wealth and poverty and eliminate prejudices of race, religion, etc. establish the equality of men and women and so on.

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ladybug77

Active Member
There is no prophet of our time....because all of us together is the one prophet. Because 1 and 1 is still 1. Just bigger.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
No, Christ is not the Holy Spirit.

I didn't say Holy Spirit is the Christ!
I said they are One! Jesus was the embodiment of Holy Spirit:

Luke 4:1 "Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness"


He sends the Holy Spirit to His disciples.
Jesus Himself was anoited with the Holy Spirit:


Acts 10:38 "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power..."

This is how Jesus was anoited:


Luke 3:22 "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased"


Anyways, we need to distinguish between communications specific for Christianity and Later Revealtions from God.

In one case it is written Jesus sends Holy Spirit to communicate with His Disciples:
Acts 1:2 "Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen"

Yet in other case it is said God sends Holy Spirit:


John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

The above is a reference to future revelation, return of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Counselor, the Prince of Peace, The Everlasting Father which IOV is fulfilled by Baha'u'llah.

"Say, Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled! This is the Word which the Son concealed, when to those around Him He said: ‘Ye cannot bear it now.’ "
- Baha'u'llah

This was fulfillment of Prophecy in John 16:12 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."

They are both God, but not the same Persons. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father and neither are the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said:
"The Father and I are one." - John 10:30




Prophecy never ended. God still talks to people and reveals things to them but since we've living after the age of public revelation, it's not binding on us to believe these new revelations
It is, because, Jesus asked you to watch, when He returns. He spoke of Spirit of Truth.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
If we look at the three major monolithic faiths from the time of Adam to the Islamic prophet Muhammad, throughout that period there has been a steady progression of prophets and messengers from God. Why is there no prophet of our time? Why has God chosen to be silent in our darkest time? It would be nice to hear the views of all religions on this subject.

Muslims believe that God sent messengers to all nations. The first Prophet was Adam pbuh and the last Prophet being Muhammed pbuh.

Unlike other Prophets, Muhammed was sent to all humanity instead of a particular nation/group of people. He is the Prophet of our time.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
. Why is there no prophet of our time?


Who says there were ever any "real" prophet's?


Some may have been mythological, some perceived.


I surely do not trust ancient men's perception who literally knew very little about the natural world around them.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Who says there were ever any "real" prophet's?


Some may have been mythological, some perceived.


I surely do not trust ancient men's perception who literally knew very little about the natural world around them.


Visiting Aliens trying to train us out of our animalistic ways. :D


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ladybug77

Active Member
Makes you wonder why all of us together can't agree on a few more things, doesn't it? ;)

Because we got tought wrong in the public school systems...because the elite are greedy for power. So they dumbed us down. Time to step it up folks. Your math is wrong. Thats why you dont understand God. You understand science...but not math. ;)
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
If we look at the three major monolithic faiths from the time of Adam to the Islamic prophet Muhammad, throughout that period there has been a steady progression of prophets and messengers from God. Why is there no prophet of our time? Why has God chosen to be silent in our darkest time? It would be nice to hear the views of all religions on this subject.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 being Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi- the end reformer of all religion, is the prophet of our times.
 

Monk Of Reason

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If we look at the three major monolithic faiths from the time of Adam to the Islamic prophet Muhammad, throughout that period there has been a steady progression of prophets and messengers from God. Why is there no prophet of our time? Why has God chosen to be silent in our darkest time? It would be nice to hear the views of all religions on this subject.

Few reasons.

1) time itself is required for the legend to accumulate into prohphethood.

2) Our current technology and scientific knowledge allows us to debunk "miracles" and "nonesense"

3) We are still just as suseptable to ******** as we were thousands of years ago (which is sad) but the ******** has to be evolved. Back then they would believe the story of a man rising from the grave or talking to a burning bush. Nowe we believe that by bombing children in a 3rd world nation across the other side of the world will lower our gas prices and keep us safe from terrorists.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Who says there were ever any "real" prophet's?


Some may have been mythological, some perceived.


I surely do not trust ancient men's perception who literally knew very little about the natural world around them.

I believe the Bible is full of true prophecies, many of which are confirmed by the facts of history. In fact, such true prophecies identify the Bible as God's word, not man's, IMO. (Isaiah 46:9,10) Just one example of many: the Bible identifies the exact year of the Messiah's appearance in the first century C.E., some 500 years in advance, and also foretells his death. (Daniel 7:25,26)
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
I believe the Bible is full of true prophecies, many of which are confirmed by the facts of history. In fact, such true prophecies identify the Bible as God's word, not man's, IMO. (Isaiah 46:9,10) Just one example of many: the Bible identifies the exact year of the Messiah's appearance in the first century C.E., some 500 years in advance, and also foretells his death. (Daniel 7:25,26)


And I don't agree. It is easy to make prophecies APPEAR to have been fulfilled when you have read the prophecies, and you are writing your new texts after the fact.


Tanakh does not have a prophesy of Jesus. Emmanuel is Isaiah's son by the Temple Virgin. Jews have been telling Christians this for some time now.



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