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why is trump in the UK? is it to insult people.?

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Yes, I agree. However a huge number are not.

Depends on your interpretation of the word huge.

12% of londoners are muslim, about 600,000. The vast majority are london born.

I dont know the breakdown of british to immigrant muslins but i dont think the number of immigrants is huge compared to the total population of over 8 million londoners.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Yes it can but 88% is bigger

Best i can manage is 3% and even that is americas fault. We were getting around 12% until the recession of the late noughties.

The USA is like a black hole in that everything
is slurped into its gravity.
But unlike the bh, a lot comes back out. :D
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I think it is higher than that, but lets stay with 12 percent, I can't verify it right now.
What is the population of foreigner non citizens in France ?

Actually about 12.4% according to the last census

About 5.5 million foreign born (including my family and me) but a "huge" (your word) number of them have taken french nationality.

Total fench population about 67 million
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The USA is like a black hole in that everything
is slurped into its gravity.
But unlike the bh, a lot comes back out. :D
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
No, I don't care much, if at all.
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'Your problem is, you have Trump derangement syndrome.

Here is how it works, there is much to criticize about Trump, as a person. He is hyperbolic, uncivil, a blowhard, morally questionable, and he says offensive things about every day.

People with TDS hate him so much, that they fold it into everything his administration does, thus, Trump did it, it must be bad.

You reeled off a bunch of talking points of those with TDS, which are simply bogus.

Calling the press the enemy of the people ? Words. Tell me one thing that his administration has done to limit their freedom. You can't.

The "trade war", which doesn't exist yet, but tariffs on ongoing trade with China, I support. ? Why ? Did you know that for any American company operating in China, China by proxy must be given 51% of the company, thus control. with this, they steal the technology which is passed on to the government for use wherever they want it, including military and government spinoff countries. Do we do that to them ? They steal copyrighted material, patented hardware and products, everything they can get their hands on, we have never reciprocated.

Americans want the flow of millions of economic immigrants into our country stopped. They cost the American taxpayer billions every year in federal and state taxes.

Unlike Canada, we do not have a merit based immigration system, so we are swamped by uneducated, unskilled, unable to speak the language,m people who are given a whole host of social benefits that should be for Americans.

You will hear the plea that these people need sanctuary, asylum, and of the cases adjudicated about 13% are granted asylum.

What happens in actuality is that they are detained for 20 days or so, then they have to be released, they disappear, never to be heard from again. They are given a hearing date, and a paltry few show up, most live supplemented by the American taxpayer in the US for the rest of their lives.

International law says someone seeking asylum must apply for it in the first country they arrive in, Mexico. They don't want to live in Mexico, there are virtually no social services, and if they work, the pay is minuscule compared to the US. So they drag their families about 2,000 miles for the US. They cross the border, illegally i many cases, and as they have been taught by lawyers in Mexico, they seek out a border officer, say asylum in a rote sentence, and they have the keys to the kingdom.

AS to separating children from parents, that began in the Obama administration because children could only be held for 20 days, if their parents are with them they can only be held twenty days. They were separated to give more time to vet the parents, and try and determine if the kids are even theirs. Their is a thriving business in Mexico of renting children to those that don't have them, the same children have shown up multiple times. They are released with their bogus parents,and are filtered back to Mexico for the next rent out.
Trump is right on immigration.

I will respond to your TDS and the rest of your post later.
The trade war is a stupid idea, and he's picking fights with his allies to carry it out. Americans have been bearing the burden of it, hence the fact that Trump just had to bail out the farmers. His lamebrain philosophy is "trade wars are good and easy to win." Yeah, things are going great. :rolleyes:

The result of Trump demonizing the press has been attacks against journalists. Remember the guy who sent pipe bombs to CNN? Also, as of late, Trump has been pushing for a boycott of AT&T because he doesn't like CNN's news coverage of him. It's pathetic.

Statistics show that the vast, vast majority of asylum seekers actually do show up for their hearings. People do actually need help and sanctuary.
FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

During the Obama administration, most of the children showing up at the border were unaccompanied minors. Under this administration, most of the people showing up at the border are families, and Trump has majorly ramped up his policy of separating children from parents in order to deter future immigrants from coming to the US. Members of his administration have admitted as much. Notice how the problem has become much worse under Trump?


So you like the big, rude, orange clown. Good for you, I guess. What cute little name do you call that?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The trade war is a stupid idea, and he's picking fights with his allies to carry it out. Americans have been bearing the burden of it, hence the fact that Trump just had to bail out the farmers. His lamebrain philosophy is "trade wars are good and easy to win." Yeah, things are going great. :rolleyes:

The result of Trump demonizing the press has been attacks against journalists. Remember the guy who sent pipe bombs to CNN? Also, as of late, Trump has been pushing for a boycott of AT&T because he doesn't like CNN's news coverage of him. It's pathetic.

Statistics show that the vast, vast majority of asylum seekers actually do show up for their hearings. People do actually need help and sanctuary.
FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

During the Obama administration, most of the children showing up at the border were unaccompanied minors. Under this administration, most of the people showing up at the border are families, and Trump has majorly ramped up his policy of separating children from parents in order to deter future immigrants from coming to the US. Members of his administration have admitted as much. Notice how the problem has become much worse under Trump?


So you like the big, rude, orange clown. Good for you, I guess. What cute little name do you call that?
The problem is that you've done "the homework" but, by and large, most Trump supporters clearly haven't.

For example, they brag about the economy under Trump, and yet Mickey Mouse could have done much the same if he ramped-up the deficit an additional $1 trillion in one year alone as Trump & Co has. It seems that the party that wanted to pass a balance-the-budget amendment several decades ago is now DOA.

And this isn't the only area whereas their not doing the studying has its consequences, and that also includes basic theology, btw.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
According to some articles, it seems he's there to advocate for a new trade agreement between the US and Britain after Britain leaves the EU.

As for the insults, I guess it's a question of who insulted whom first.

Not with Trump. He insults everyone right out of the gate. He is always first and foremost.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Not with Trump. He insults everyone right out of the gate. He is always first and foremost.

Donald was only responding to one of Khan’s attacks.

The leader of the official opposition party refused to attend the Royal Banquet, spent today preaching hatred of Donald Trump on the streets of London, and then asked to meet the President.

Needless to say, his request was refused.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's out there somewhere; should be flying shortly,
I know it's made to criticize Trump, but dang I really like that thing! It's so freaking adorable!


Maybe I'll get a baby Trump for my desk. They'll make millions upon millions merchandising it.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The trade war is a stupid idea, and he's picking fights with his allies to carry it out. Americans have been bearing the burden of it, hence the fact that Trump just had to bail out the farmers. His lamebrain philosophy is "trade wars are good and easy to win." Yeah, things are going great. :rolleyes:

The result of Trump demonizing the press has been attacks against journalists. Remember the guy who sent pipe bombs to CNN? Also, as of late, Trump has been pushing for a boycott of AT&T because he doesn't like CNN's news coverage of him. It's pathetic.

Statistics show that the vast, vast majority of asylum seekers actually do show up for their hearings. People do actually need help and sanctuary.
FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

During the Obama administration, most of the children showing up at the border were unaccompanied minors. Under this administration, most of the people showing up at the border are families, and Trump has majorly ramped up his policy of separating children from parents in order to deter future immigrants from coming to the US. Members of his administration have admitted as much. Notice how the problem has become much worse under Trump?


So you like the big, rude, orange clown. Good for you, I guess. What cute little name do you call that?
Well, since you really aren't interested in hearing another view, I won';t bother with going further.

Your so called fact check is promoted by a left wing pro immigration, open borders group. It's statistics, mostly without a source, are simply egregiously in error.

However, it really doesn't matter, since your canuck opinion of anything regarding the US is valueless, irrelevent, pitifully ineffectual, you are just ****'in into the wind.

It would be the same if I if cared anything about Canada and it's leader and voiced an opinion.

I interact with Canadians once in a while because they come to Arizona in droves in the winter, and many come to have surgeries done that they cannot have done in Canada.

One poor fellow had been on a waiting list two years for a knee replacement. He was a little chagrined to learn that from the day of my referral to an orthopedic surgeon to the day of my knee replacement surgery, was 22 days. He simply said, "it don't work like that in Canada".

Too bad, but I don't care.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Hardly inordinate. Whether or not anyone
happens to like it, the world does revolve around
the USA.

As an American, I can say that I was raised with a good deal of national pride in this fact, although as I've gotten older and have had more contact with non-Americans, it seems that this prominent role leads them to think that everything wrong with the world is all America's fault. Most of the rest of the world disrespects and hates America with a passion, but then they ostensibly place all this responsibility on America - and whoever happens to be the sitting president.

I do find it somewhat fascinating that there are so many people around the world who are quite adept and knowledgeable about US politics, history, popular culture - far more than any American would know about their country. It's almost like they're obsessed with us.

It's not as if they actually care about America or Americans.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Why is Trump here?
So far he has insulted the Mayor of London and the Duchess of Sussex.
and has interfered in the Tory party leadership election as well as suggesting that he wants to meet Nigel Farage, who has no capacity in government.
And that was before his plane touched down.
He is totally avoiding meeting or even seeing the people, by going from point to point in his helicopter and landing on private enclosed grounds.
He knows he is not wanted, he knows he can do no further business with Teresa May.
It is not only an insult it is a complete waste of British and American Public money.
All so he can be flattered by a Photo opportunity with the Queen.
Hey, it's what he does! The base loves it. (Speaks volumes about the base, to me, frankly.)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Donald was only responding to one of Khan’s attacks.

The leader of the official opposition party refused to attend the Royal Banquet, spent today preaching hatred of Donald Trump on the streets of London, and then asked to meet the President.

Needless to say, his request was refused.

Only?!?!?! Trump uses the shotgun of abuse approach to insulting everybody that disagree with him
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
Statistics show that the vast, vast majority of asylum seekers actually do show up for their hearings. People do actually need help and sanctuary.
FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

The first link they try to cite is about initial case completions only. Initial case is not the final hearing nor even a review hearing. Your source is distorting information thus is lying. I explained this to you months ago yet you still follow false information willingly making you willfully ignorant due to your ideology or worse. More so their own sources refute their claim.

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1060851/download

That is a link to completed cases to establish there is a difference between final and initial as apparently words have no meaning. Beginning means end, start means final. Final means starts. Dogs are cats. Up is down.

Total asylum applications
https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1163606/download

Decisions just to show numbers are higher than your site's distortion claims

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1163686/download

And then there is this fact which is 3k higher than your source claims. Do note the "In Absentia Removal Orders "

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1116666/download

Primary sources

Workload and Adjudication Statistics


This is what happens when you rely on fact checkers telling you what to think instead of doing the work yourself. Something calling itself "fact checking" does not mean it is.
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
Well, since you really aren't interested in hearing another view, I won';t bother with going further.

Your so called fact check is promoted by a left wing pro immigration, open borders group. It's statistics, mostly without a source, are simply egregiously in error.

However, it really doesn't matter, since your canuck opinion of anything regarding the US is valueless, irrelevent, pitifully ineffectual, you are just ****'in into the wind.

It would be the same if I if cared anything about Canada and it's leader and voiced an opinion.

I interact with Canadians once in a while because they come to Arizona in droves in the winter, and many come to have surgeries done that they cannot have done in Canada.

One poor fellow had been on a waiting list two years for a knee replacement. He was a little chagrined to learn that from the day of my referral to an orthopedic surgeon to the day of my knee replacement surgery, was 22 days. He simply said, "it don't work like that in Canada".

Too bad, but I don't care.

Take a look at my post #155. I provided government information itself. The same type the site uses. However I am not distorting initial cases to mean "final asylum decisions" like the propaganda website is doing.

FYI I am a Canadian. I just an not a leftist hack that is blinded by the words fact-check thus do not treat the site like it is gospel.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
As an American, I can say that I was raised with a good deal of national pride in this fact, although as I've gotten older and have had more contact with non-Americans, it seems that this prominent role leads them to think that everything wrong with the world is all America's fault. Most of the rest of the world disrespects and hates America with a passion, but then they ostensibly place all this responsibility on America - and whoever happens to be the sitting president.

I do find it somewhat fascinating that there are so many people around the world who are quite adept and knowledgeable about US politics, history, popular culture - far more than any American would know about their country. It's almost like they're obsessed with us.

It's not as if they actually care about America or Americans.
No, they don care about us, but they always have their hands out to get from us what they can in aid, or providing defense for them. They also love the innovations that we bring to the world, in medicine, technology and in other areas.

Perhaps they would prefer another nation like Russia or China to be the dominant nation in the world.

Actually, it is a place we didn´t particularly want. Americans wanted to stay out of the first European war, but finally we were sucked in and we being in ended it.

In the second European war, once again many Americans wanted no part of it, yet once again we entered, and after it was over, Europe was destroyed. We and the Russians were the only ones left standing, and there we were.

As far as I am concerned, the foreign whiners can pound sand. They make me sick
 

Shad

Veteran Member
As an American, I can say that I was raised with a good deal of national pride in this fact, although as I've gotten older and have had more contact with non-Americans, it seems that this prominent role leads them to think that everything wrong with the world is all America's fault. Most of the rest of the world disrespects and hates America with a passion, but then they ostensibly place all this responsibility on America - and whoever happens to be the sitting president.

I do find it somewhat fascinating that there are so many people around the world who are quite adept and knowledgeable about US politics, history, popular culture - far more than any American would know about their country. It's almost like they're obsessed with us.

It's not as if they actually care about America or Americans.

Germany is still at the top of my list along with France and the UK. America wouldn't be in the position it is now if not for WW2.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Why is Trump here?
So far he has insulted the Mayor of London and the Duchess of Sussex.
and has interfered in the Tory party leadership election as well as suggesting that he wants to meet Nigel Farage, who has no capacity in government.
And that was before his plane touched down.
He is totally avoiding meeting or even seeing the people, by going from point to point in his helicopter and landing on private enclosed grounds.
He knows he is not wanted, he knows he can do no further business with Teresa May.
It is not only an insult it is a complete waste of British and American Public money.
All so he can be flattered by a Photo opportunity with the Queen.

He's a small minded man with a big ego, so he gets offended when people don't fall all over themselves to worship him.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
America wouldn't be in the position it is now if not for WW2.

You're most likely correct, although I don't think America would be in a bad spot if WW2 never happened.

But both World Wars helped shape Americans' perceptions of Europe and the rest of the world, along with saddling us with the burden of "making the world safe for democracy." I don't think many Americans relished that role or really wanted it - at least not at first.
 
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