Why not Bible study in schools?

[Ulver]

I send my childern to school to learn not to possibly be harmed. That is where bible study falls into play. Teachings of good behavior and how students should treat another. Kids learn through example why not start with the bible. If you have anyother suggestions on how this can be done please do so.

I was finished with my senior year of high school a little more then a year ago. At the school I went to there were many students who were very practicing in their faith. tHey either showeed it by talking about it openly or had jewelry with their religions symbols or went to bible study classes (and such) after school hours (at the school). Thing was though, Christian/Atheist jocks still picked on Christian/Pagan/Atheist Kids (art kids, drama kids, computer whizzes.... basically any sort of group a student associated with that didn't involve a highly competative sport). So from my own experience from elementary all the way through high school, religion (the presence or absence of) played little in the matter of school bullies and violence at school. What played more was kids taking their problems at home and releasing them at school and kids simply wanting to look cooler in the eyes of peers by stepping on others. Something that grown up kids seem to do quite well in the work force.

It also has no place being banned in schools. Bible studies should be allowed as much as an athletic event, or the band. Clerics of all faiths should be given room to conduct studies of THEIR religion ON CAMPUS and without prejudice. It does not matter what others think or believe. The first amendment tells us that we can pass NO LAW concerning a religion. This does not mean "seperation" as most of the athiests would define it. It means INCLUSION of all beliefs no matter how silly they seem to Deut. Room should be given to ALL non-profits, including the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts and the Gay Rights Movement. No one is special and ALL should be supported.

I totally agree. This is exactly what should be allowed and at my school it was. The only thing that would make me mad is if I heard about an afterschool student Bible study group being allowed but a Muslim or Hindu student group being denied acess to the school grounds afterschool.

Religion should be taught in school just like politics/governemnt is. No preference to one group given by the course material or the teacher.

np: Borknagar- Revolt

 

[nonda]

maize is exactly right. You think that its important, but that's because you're Christian. I can't imagine how a little Hindu girl would feel if she was forced to learn the Bible in her Public school. The point of Public school is to be secular, and if you don't like it there are PLENTY of good Christian schools to send your kids to! Better yet, put on your parenting pants and do it yourself!

As for the violence in Public schools, it is not the result of a "lack of morals". Public schools do teach morals as far as they have codes of conduct and things like that. The reason why there is more violence in Public schools is because the education is free, and therefore kids who can't afford private school, and who usually live in rougher neighborhoods with more inherent violence etc., make up a large amount of the attending students.

In private schools on the other hand, families are more well-to-do, or often they have an established legacy of academics in their family. There are a handful of kids in every private school who are violent and just mess around all of the time, but the majority of the kids at private school mean business.

Who said I was a Christian! And the so called codes of conduct, do you think that kids in public schools read them let alone obey them. I went to public school all through grade school and finished public schools. I am aware how the public school system works. It is a mess. And why is it ok to let the "public school" kids slide by, why can't they go to school "meaning business". Not because they are middle class or lower class because like you said it is expected out of them because of their neighborhoods. I don't buy it.

 

[Jaymes]

Uh... your profile says your Christian, nonda. Unless 'Baptist' is a word also affiliated with another religion I don't yet know of.

And the so called codes of conduct, do you think that kids in public schools read them let alone obey them.

That's why rules are supposed to be enforced.

 

[nonda]

You'd be wrong in your assumption. I do have children, one in school. I teach them morals at home and church, I don't expect the schools to be a parent for me.

You leave your childern in "school" for more than seven and half hours a day. Say one kid comes in with a guy and starts shooting. Kids get hurt some even die. What would you say to those parents if that was your kid who got hurt or better yet what would you say to the school who did nothing to protect "our" childern! Good for you to teach your childern morals. But you also stated that you teach them morals in Church. Same thing an outside influence to your childern why not in school they spend more time there than in Church.
Takes a village to raise a child!!

 

[nonda]

I would just like to let you know that I am currently going into my sophomore year of a public high school so I meant no offense by my first statement, its just the facts. Secondly it is not the schools job to baby-sit the kids attending, they are there to teach about Science, Math, English and History not to teach kids about what is right and wrong (partly because they are subjective while all the aforementioned subjects are not). It is the parent’s job to teach their kids what is right and wrong in their world view not make the school responsible for it.

If you leave your child with a babysitter you expect them to do as you would do, leave a list and hope that they follow that list.

 

[Jaymes]

I honestly don't think church is going to help much. I went to school with people who claimed to go to church all the time, and yet they wouldn't hesitate to be hateful or get into fights. Dragging the church into the school isn't going to do anything if it doesn't help already.

I'm at a loss as to how any religion can prevent school shootings. Even pacifist religions have whackjobs that shoot/bomb places.

 

[Jaymes]

If you leave your child with a babysitter you expect them to do as you would do, leave a list and hope that they follow that list.

Schools are not babysitting services. Schools are in place to teach what needs to be taught to survive in college (hah, good job it's doing there), not to watch your kids.

 

[nonda]

Uh... your profile says your Christian, nonda. Unless 'Baptist' is a word also affiliated with another religion I don't yet know of.

That's why rules are supposed to be enforced.

Says I attend never said I WAS.

 

[nonda]

Schools are not babysitting services. Schools are in place to teach what needs to be taught to survive in college (hah, good job it's doing there), not to watch your kids.

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You attack every opinon I have is it maybe deep down you might agree and just don't want to admit it. Please keep your harsh comments for the debates I will gladly to follow suit.

 

[Jaymes]

Says I attend never said I WAS.

No... in your profile it says religion: Baptist right above your name. I'm not going to contest what religion you consider, I'm just saying what it says. It's (understandably) confusing for someone to look at it, see that it says you are a follower of a Christian denomination, and then to have you say that you never said you're Christian. Maybe you should change your profile? It'd be a lot less confusing in the long run.

You attack every opinon I have is it maybe deep down you might agree and just don't want to admit it. Please keep your harsh comments for the debates I will gladly to follow suit.

I'm not attacking your opinions. I'm just disagreeing with you. It's called having a debate.

Aaand let me check... nope, I don't agree with you on any level about religion in schools (besides the right to practice it), especially not deep down. If I agreed with you, I wouldn't hesitate in admitting it. I just don't think religion has a place in being taught in schools.

 

[nonda]

No... in your profile it says religion: Baptist right above your name. I'm not going to contest what religion you consider, I'm just saying what it says. It's (understandably) confusing for someone to look at it, see that it says you are a follower of a Christian denomination, and then to have you say that you never said you're Christian. Maybe you should change your profile? It'd be a lot less confusing in the long run.

I'm not attacking your opinions. I'm just disagreeing with you. It's called having a debate.

Aaand let me check... nope, I don't agree with you on any level about religion in schools (besides the right to practice it), especially not deep down. If I agreed with you, I wouldn't hesitate in admitting it. I just don't think religion has a place in being taught in schools.

Oh it's a debate? Who is the winner of this debate?

 

[Ryan2065]

Religion has no place in the schools. I don't think there would be a problem with having religious "clubs" in the schools, but teachers should only be there to observe and not teach. Plus all students in the "clubs" should have to have parental consent in order to be in the club. I think everyone could be pleased that way.

 

[Jaymes]

There are no winners in debates, I believe. Just people that (hopefully) learn... and actually answer the points others raise.

 

[Ulver]

You leave your childern in "school" for more than seven and half hours a day. Say one kid comes in with a guy and starts shooting. Kids get hurt some even die. What would you say to those parents if that was your kid who got hurt or better yet what would you say to the school who did nothing to protect "our" childern! Good for you to teach your childern morals. But you also stated that you teach them morals in Church. Same thing an outside influence to your childern why not in school they spend more time there than in Church.
Takes a village to raise a child!!

Teaching Bible classes to every kid and having them pray at certain times during the day would likely alienate even more teens from "fitting in" at school. The bible being preached in public schools likely wou'dn't of stopped the Columbine shootings. Those boys' parents being more positively involved in their lives would of been a better means of prevention.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Nonda, is it okay if I PM you? Maybe something is up that we don't know about?

 

[CMIYC]

Most western counties have gone away from teaching religion at school for a good reason. It is only when you ban all religious teaching, can you offer a true democracy and true religious freedom without imposing one belief onto another.

 

[retrorich]

We already have a good supply of places where children can be "schooled" in the religion of their choice: homes, parochial schools, churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. Public schools have an overload of other subjects to teach.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

[quote="Deut. 32.8]Where we can justify the biocide of the Flood, the mark of Ham, the killing of the first-born prior to the Exodus, the genocide of the Midianites, and the ethnic cleansing of the Amalekites?

Where we can justify a backward attitude towards women?

Where we can characterize same-sex relationships as abominations deserving death?

Of course, we would not confront this ugliness were we to teach, say, the religion of the Deists, or the views of Spinoza's Pantheism, or perhaps the tolerance of Bahai. And we certainly would not face such ugliness were we to teach Confucianism or Secular Humanism or even Ethics.

Perhaps one of these latter options could be seen as a reasonable compromise. Somehow, however, I suspect that those who want the Bible in the class will strongly reject such an approach.

A bit angry,eh?[/QUOTE]
Not at all.

The generation before the flood had become completely violent and evil, and God destroyed them with sorrow, promising not to again. The killing of the Egyptians first born was a last resort because of the hard heart of Pharoah, the killing of the Amalekites and the Midianites, was due to their being extremely, extremely evil in the sight of God.

So you believe, but I'm not particularly thrilled about efforts to teach my grandchildren such absurdities in school.

Women are to be loved as we would love ourselves, to dress modestly, not speak in tongues, or usurp authority over a man in church and to have a covering when they prayed (hair), and Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, Proverbs 31 is a beautiful ode to a wife, so its not backward. Death of same-sex people was to the Jews in the old testament because it was an abomination to God, and they were his chosen people and were to be set apart.

Yep - let's keep such obnoxious silliness away from impressionable children.

By the way, the "Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery" is based on a pobable forgery. Perhaps you should study the book.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I sure hope God doesn't get angry and decide to punish every firstborn in the US over the acts of President Bush.

Too late... we have already lost thousands of great patriots due to Shrub's arrogance and until he repents we will lose thousands more. Often God lets us punish ourselves: he doesn't have to intercede to punish stupidity.

 

[Green Gaia]

You leave your childern in "school" for more than seven and half hours a day. Say one kid comes in with a guy and starts shooting. Kids get hurt some even die. What would you say to those parents if that was your kid who got hurt or better yet what would you say to the school who did nothing to protect "our" childern!

Well, I wouldn't go up to them and start beating them over the head with a Bible! Nor do I believe that making kids read the Bible in school is going to stop such violence. I would not agree that schools do nothing to protect our children. If you are not aware of them, perhaps you should ask about it.

Good for you to teach your childern morals. But you also stated that you teach them morals in Church. Same thing an outside influence to your childern why not in school they spend more time there than in Church.

No, it is not the same. I know what they're being taught at church and I approve it. I do not view our church as an outside influence. We are a part of the church. Schools are a completely different animal. Kids go to school to learn academics by professional teachers. If someone were to start forcing my child to read the Bible at school, I would have no control over how the Bible was being taught to them, and I think we both can agree that's a pretty scary thing since the Bible has been used to justify many horrible things.