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Why should cats be allowed to run free to kill birds and crap on my garden?

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
"If we don't want to give up eating meat, we must be okay with all forms of animal abuse" sure is a take.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Since I'm not eating meat, I suppose I'm allowed to be offended by the treatment of cats advocated in this thread?

You are free to feel offended by whatever you want, regardless of whether you meat.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I see "predator prejudice" here. Predators have equal rights to prey.

I'm not sure what that means.
The issue here (Australia) is that introduced predators can absolutely decimate our native populations of small animals, most of which have very limited natural defences (since there are very limited numbers of natural predators here, apart from birds).

They get out, breed, and literally drive natives to the point of extinction.

It's not about rights (here), it's about trying to maintain minimum viable populations of native animals.

Feral cats - DAWE
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
But since I'm vegetarian, you won't be accusing me of being a hypocrite. Right?

I don't accuse people of being hypocrites for feeling what they happen to feel.

The hypocrisy here is to support practices that are clearly more invasive and harmful to the animals while at the same time getting all worked up over throwing water at a cat to chase it away.

You would have to be vegan, or almost, to get worked up over that.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I'm not sure what that means.
The issue here (Australia) is that introduced predators can absolutely decimate our native populations of small animals, most of which have very limited natural defences (since there are very limited numbers of natural predators here, apart from birds).

They get out, breed, and literally drive natives to the point of extinction.

It's not about rights (here), it's about trying to maintain minimum viable populations of native animals.

Feral cats - DAWE

Look what happened with cane toads,disaster.
 

Azrael Antilla

Active Member
Sadism,you are kidding of course.
Nope. Cats don't like getting wet. Usually. So being wetted is something they avoid. If I did something similar to you for no obvious reason (cats don't understand land boundaries) that you didn't like. Then that's me causing you some degree of discomfort and alarm. For my own amusement. I agree it's a step up from throwing stones...so well done for that.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I'm not sure what that means.
The issue here (Australia) is that introduced predators can absolutely decimate our native populations of small animals, most of which have very limited natural defences (since there are very limited numbers of natural predators here, apart from birds).

They get out, breed, and literally drive natives to the point of extinction.

It's not about rights (here), it's about trying to maintain minimum viable populations of native animals.

Feral cats - DAWE
I suppose the Australian government is doing its utmost to preserve the environmental living spaces of its native animals, too?
Or do their policies start and end with killing cats?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
The reason cats were domesticated in the first place by humans. Was to protect grain storage from rodents. Protecting the humans from starvation and diseases. Caused and spread by rodents.

Farm cats are different and make sense,mr and mrs smith who throw their cat out so it can crap in someone elses garden,torture some unfortunate small bird or spray smelly stuff doesn’t,if you have a pet be responsible for it and keep it inside.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Nope. Cats don't like getting wet. Usually. So being wetted is something they avoid. If I did something similar to you for no obvious reason (cats don't understand land boundaries) that you didn't like. Then that's me causing you some degree of discomfort and alarm. For my own amusement. I agree it's a step up from throwing stones...so well done for that.

Exacty cats don’t like water so when it ventures into my garden and gets soaked it equates it to not the place to dump my ****,simple and painless.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I suppose the Australian government is doing its utmost to preserve the environmental living spaces of its native animals, too?
Or do their policies start and end with killing cats?

In New Zealand there are 3 introduced species that are causing havoc with the bird population,possums stoats and cats,because birds don’t have natural predators they nest on the ground so these 3 bad guys generally have to be culled and cats stoats and possums are deliberately killed for that reason.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
In New Zealand there are 3 introduced species that are causing havoc with the bird population,possums stoats and cats,because birds don’t have natural predators they nest on the ground so these 3 bad guys generally have to be culled and cats stoats and possums are deliberately killed for that reason.
Are we talking about Australia or New Zealand now?
I thought these two were separate countries, was I mistaken?
 
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